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NASA-Gate
Investors.com ^ | December 4, 2009 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 12/04/2009 5:28:26 PM PST by Kaslin

Science: For two years, our space agency has refused Freedom of Information requests on why it has repeatedly corrected its climate figures. A leading researcher threatens to sue to find more inconvenient truths.

What's become known as "Climate-Gate" may be about to explode on this side of the pond as well. Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, has threatened a lawsuit against NASA if by year-end the agency doesn't honor his FOI requests for information on how and why its climate numbers have been consistently adjusted for errors.

"I assume that what is there is highly damaging," says Horner, who suspects, based on the public record, the same type of data fudging, manipulation and suppression that has occurred at Britain's East Anglia Climate Research Unit. "These guys (NASA) are quite clearly determined not to reveal their internal discussions about this."

They may have good reason. NASA was caught with its thermometers down when James Hansen, head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, announced that 1998 was the country's hottest year on record, with 2006 the third hottest.

NASA and Goddard were forced to correct the record in 2007 to show that 1934, decades before the advent of the SUV, was in fact the warmest. In fact, the new numbers showed that four of the country's 10 warmest years were in the 1930s.

Hansen, who began the climate scare some two decades ago, was caught fudging the numbers again in declaring October 2008 the warmest on record. This despite the fact that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration had registered 63 local snowfall records and 115 lowest-ever temperatures for the month, and ranked it as only the 70th-warmest October in 114 years.

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1 posted on 12/04/2009 5:28:27 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: alrea; bareford101; BerniesFriend; blaveda; Bookwoman; Celeste732; dsc; fanfan; Faux_Pas; ...

2 posted on 12/04/2009 5:29:43 PM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

deleting and shredding at the speed of light no doubt. wont find a thing. nothing to see. move along.

have a nice day


3 posted on 12/04/2009 5:30:16 PM PST by beebuster2000
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To: Kaslin; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; Thunder90; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

4 posted on 12/04/2009 5:33:12 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: Kaslin

Where did these “experts” get their atrocious science education? Their university degrees should be revoked for this fraudulent behavior. They have all the integrity of pharma company scientists who lie about their clinical trials, thus endangering the lives of millions of patients when the resulting prescriptions cause damage to health.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 5:33:14 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Kaslin

Here’s Chris Horner from the other day on Fox News. I like him:

Fox News: Calls for Investigation of Climategate Grow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qrkpp1Bf5zc&feature=channel


6 posted on 12/04/2009 5:33:35 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: beebuster2000

NASA has used this to make budget scores with congressman and will withhold the data to ensure they keep the budget in the Obama administration. They budget in now in great danger.

IT IS ABOUT MONEY ... FOLLOW THE MONEY..... NASA IS IN THIS HIP DEEP


7 posted on 12/04/2009 5:33:58 PM PST by gibtx2 (End Tenure)
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To: kittymyrib

How can we believe “scientists” any more? I’m sceptical about just about everything. I don’t believe their (lefty) hysteria about anything. It’s like the boy that cried wolf.


8 posted on 12/04/2009 5:36:07 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: Kaslin

Has anyone noticed the change in wind direction over the last two weeks? I think the ball game is just about over. Just need a few politicians to wake up and look at the thermometer.


9 posted on 12/04/2009 5:36:46 PM PST by votemout
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To: Kaslin

James Hansen needs to be stripped of his academic credentials.


10 posted on 12/04/2009 5:50:36 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

That should happen to all of those involved in hiding the data. They need to be publicly shunned too. Jail is not too harsh either.


11 posted on 12/04/2009 5:54:03 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: All
Christopher Horner's EXCELLENT book"Red Hot Lies" is one of the best books I have read on this scam. I highly recommend it.

Also, here is a link to one of the best, most reasoned sites I have seen: The Climate Skeptic

In particular, see this GREAT lecture the guy has videotaped and put up on his website: Lecture: Catastrophe Denied

12 posted on 12/04/2009 6:00:46 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Kaslin
This should put some heat on the American nets. It's CBC's Rex Murphy in a pretty scathing assessment.

National TV News Editorial

13 posted on 12/04/2009 6:02:35 PM PST by CanaGuy (Go Harper!)
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To: SpaceBar

and be jailed. These climate frauds are every bit as criminal as madoff. Gore and Hansen can share a cell, its anyone’s call who will be the bitch.


14 posted on 12/04/2009 6:03:00 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: Kaslin
It is weird that nobody has the original data that is in question. They are supposedly independent research centers. They seem to be using the same source for bogus data.
15 posted on 12/04/2009 6:03:07 PM PST by dgbrown
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To: dgbrown
It is weird that nobody has the original data that is in question. They are supposedly independent research centers. They seem to be using the same source for bogus data.

The NASA satellite data is calibrated from the CRU data........starting to get the picture?

16 posted on 12/04/2009 6:09:19 PM PST by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: Kaslin

Is Global Warming Alarmist James Hansen a Shill for George Soros?
By Jake Gontesky (Bio | Archive)
September 26, 2007 - 08:58 ET

The claims against anthropogenic global warming skeptics are often the same: they’re all shills for big oil or other industry wishing to poke holes in the ‘consensus theory’ of global warming (which isn’t a consensus at all). Under the so-called “politicization of science” program, George Soros’ (the favorite fundraiser of many democrats) has reportedly given as much as $720,000 to Hansen to help package his alarmist claims and get them pushed by the mainstream media (The Soros Threat to Democracy):

How many people, for instance, know that James Hansen, a man billed as a lonely “NASA whistleblower” standing up to the mighty U.S. government, was really funded by Soros’ Open Society Institute , which gave him “legal and media advice”?

That’s right, Hansen was packaged for the media by Soros’ flagship “philanthropy,” by as much as $720,000, most likely under the OSI’s “politicization of science” program.

So he got some big paychecks from Soros - but was there a quid pro quo? The evidence certainly indicates as much:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jake-gontesky/2007/09/26/global-warming-alarmist-james-hansen-shill-george-soros

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1902403/posts


17 posted on 12/04/2009 6:10:06 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Chris Horner, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, has threatened a lawsuit against NASA if by year-end the agency doesn't honor his FOI requests for information on how and why its climate numbers have been consistently adjusted for errors.

18 posted on 12/04/2009 6:11:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Kaslin

And Hansen is the leaker of the emails....they’ve fingered him...


19 posted on 12/04/2009 6:13:35 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: DaveTesla

This leftist (not “scientist”) Hanson is a intellect criminal. His disregard for scientific method requires that he be fired, scorned and humiliated. What a total loser. Even his family m8ust be embarrassed and feel he is a jerk and nincompoop. If he had a shred of integrity he would tour the country with a dunk-machine. This would allow everyone who cared to to further humiliate this poor excuse for a “scientist”. Loser!!!!


20 posted on 12/04/2009 6:14:01 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: beaversmom; All

In his book “Red Hot Lies” Christopher Horner discusses the EXACT tack this guy Howard Gould would take on the Fox news video discussion you linked to. It is apparently old hat to Horner, and evident to anyone who has paid attention to the alarmist refutations of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming skeptics such as Chris Horner.

Here is Gould’s argument:

1.) The science is settled. These skeptics don’t have any arguments. (This is the equivalent of “I’m right and you’re wrong...end of argument!”

2.) It is only a miniscule number of people who don’t buy into man-made catastrophic global warming. “And did I say the argument is settled?” (Gould says: “If you go to 100 doctors and they all say one thing, and one doctor says something else, who should you believe?”

3.) What they usually do is label people who don’t believe in catastrophic global warming to Holocaust Deniers, Flat Earth Society members and Heretics in general. The only thing missing was that we didn’t hear Gould call Horner a “poopyhead”. That’s it, folks.


21 posted on 12/04/2009 6:22:43 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: Kaslin

HOORAY Chris Horner and C.E.I.!


22 posted on 12/04/2009 6:24:40 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Kaslin

Can we all agree to stop calling things something-gate.

What’s going to happen when there is a scandal with some gate somewhere? Gate-gate?

Let’s call it “Hide the weenie.”


23 posted on 12/04/2009 6:26:26 PM PST by cizinec
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To: SpaceBar

Calls mount for Obama to fire NASA scientist
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2862


24 posted on 12/04/2009 6:26:57 PM PST by 20 years too late
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To: rlmorel

That’s great. Sounds like a good book. Gould must have read the it—he definitely had it down pat :)


25 posted on 12/04/2009 6:29:27 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: 20 years too late

In the case of James Hansen, it is at least 28 years too late.


26 posted on 12/04/2009 6:30:16 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: hal ogen
Welcome to the GREAT SCAM!
(Or should I say the GREAT HUMAN SLAVERY SCAM!)

www.surfacestations.org http://www.surfacestations.org/

27 posted on 12/04/2009 6:30:40 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Kaslin

“.....like his CRU counterpart Michael Mann, trying to “hide the decline” in temperatures?”

I thought Michael Mann was University of Pennsylvania.


28 posted on 12/04/2009 6:31:15 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: rlmorel; Kaslin

We’re already learning the next global man-made global crisis: Ocean acidification!! Horrors! Unlike the global warming connection, there is no controversy that atmospheric CO2 is increasing and man is most likely the cause. That it is causing global warming is being debunked. However, they are now going after its possible effects on ocean life. I don’t think that’s going anywhere as CO2 has been a lot higher and again ocean plants may increase to reduce its effects. But that’s the latest “sky is falling” call by the ecofreaks and one worlders.


29 posted on 12/04/2009 6:33:58 PM PST by CedarDave (FOX news:"Fair and balanced (no matter what the White House says) . We report because others won't.")
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To: CedarDave
I don’t think that’s going anywhere as CO2 has been a lot higher and again ocean plants may increase to reduce its effects.

Plants are prospering with the additional CO2. Since the first satellite survey (in 1968, I believe) the tree-covered area of the earth has measurably increased. (Despite the "rape of the rain forest"...)

We can safely posit that the ocean plants -- which also convert CO2 into oxygen -- have been doing the same.

30 posted on 12/04/2009 6:41:26 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Kaslin


31 posted on 12/04/2009 6:45:23 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: CedarDave; All

Actually, here is the thing, but before I begin, I just want everyone to be sure to read this post all the way to the end before jumping down my throat, because I am trying to make an important distinction that we as “Global Warming Skeptics” must understand in order to make effective arguments:

1.) Nobody who understands the issue will deny that there is indeed global warming going on. That is undeniable and it is provable.

2.) Nobody who understands the issue will deny that some of man’s activities may be involved in that global warming. That is something even many skeptics will accept.

Here is where the skepticism comes into play:

1.) We agree there is warming, and the data may show it, but it is NOT something that is historically unique. It has happened before, and it will happen again.

2.) The amount of CO2 added by man’s activities will NOT result in catastrophic change.

When referring to this, the people led by Al Gore and James Hansen believe that each word in this following phrase is settled, undeniable, scientific, true, accurate and significant: CATASTROPHIC ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING.

Remember that. It is key to framing any argument you must make.


32 posted on 12/04/2009 6:48:44 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: CedarDave
The Chart they show you.

The Part of the chart they left off:

33 posted on 12/04/2009 6:53:20 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Kaslin

But-—

According to the Dallas Morning News editors, everything is cool with the other three research units.

Here is an excerpt from today’s editorial in the Dallas Morning News.

“”But human-driven climate change does exist. The evidence for it is so strong that the outrageous CRU deception scarcely damages it. CRU is one of four major research units around the world keeping comprehensive global temperature records. Every one of them has reached the same conclusions as the British. Are they all lying?”””

Think about what these editors have said in the above sentence.

1. The British research unit engaged in outrageous deception by using false data and corrupt computer models.

2. The other three research units used good data and good computer models.

3. All four research units reached the same conclusion.

Hmmm???? How can this be? The British engage in outrageous deception and reach conclusion “A”. The other three research units use angelic data and angelic computer models and also reach conclusion “A”.

Since the editors have already confessed that the British are lying, therefore to answer the editors question: “Yes, they are all lying.”

We have Freedom of the Press for a reason. And that reason is not to let the Press engage in propaganda. The Press should be a bastion of truth searchers.


34 posted on 12/04/2009 6:56:31 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: DaveTesla
Here is a VERY well done chart from The Climate Skeptic

Note that these two sections of graphs are on EXACTLY the same time frame scale and EXACTLY the same temperature scale. One part of the graph is from a time when man-made global warming effects were not supposed to be as pronounced, and the other is from the 51 year cycle when things supposedly got hot enough to send us to the "tipping point" towards catastrophe!

Can you tell which one is which?

35 posted on 12/04/2009 7:06:52 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: votemout

The ball game is not just about over, they will fight for their green religion


36 posted on 12/04/2009 7:09:18 PM PST by PMAS
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To: Kaslin

bump


37 posted on 12/04/2009 7:19:15 PM PST by GOPJ (Anthropogenic global warming-the most costly and widespread scientific FRAUD in history-James Lewis)
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To: rlmorel
"Nobody who understands the issue will deny that there is indeed global warming going on. That is undeniable and it is provable.”

Hahahahahahahahahah.........

Figures never lie but figurerers often do....
(guess it depends where you start your data from....)

Notice the sine trend. Mr Fourier would have loved this!

38 posted on 12/04/2009 7:22:38 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: shield

Hansen is the leaker of the emails....they’ve fingered him...

Where did this come from??? First I’ve heard this. More info please.


39 posted on 12/04/2009 7:24:02 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: CedarDave
Man is most likely the cause of increasing CO2? I think not.
Man is a contributing factor, but IIRC, it has been shown that CO2 increases are a response to the warming, and this was happening long before SUVs.
40 posted on 12/04/2009 7:25:30 PM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: rlmorel

Notice the scaremongers NEVER touch 1600 - 1800?

“Hide the little Ice age.”

“Hide the decline”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk


41 posted on 12/04/2009 7:27:58 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: DaveTesla

Heh, Sine Wave? “What Dat?”

(Ouch...as a Pat’s fan, that was tough to say!)


42 posted on 12/04/2009 7:29:40 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: DaveTesla

BWAAAAHAAAHAAA! That was great! (Now song is stuck in my head...)


43 posted on 12/04/2009 7:35:28 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

entropy = death

Perhaps that is what the climate mongers wish for?


44 posted on 12/04/2009 7:36:37 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: PMAS

You are correct. They are going to use every tool at their disposal to fight this. And those tools are considerable. There is a lot of money, and a lot of vested interest in propagating the global warming hoax.


45 posted on 12/04/2009 7:37:00 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTGLpqFGyYM


46 posted on 12/04/2009 7:40:12 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: kittymyrib
Most scientific study finish with negative conclusion. For instance a project is suggested to survey chili powder versus the common cold. All the data comes in with the conclusion that patients taking chili powder show no different condition than those in the control group. End of project. But if some some of the data suggest that chili powder could be helpful, "Hey guys, we can probably get funding if we convince somebody to let us carry this out further."
47 posted on 12/04/2009 7:41:00 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: Kaslin

I was waiting for this to show up.

The house of cards is falling...


48 posted on 12/04/2009 7:49:18 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: DaveTesla
"Don't worry...we work for Penny Wong!"


49 posted on 12/04/2009 7:50:14 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: rlmorel

Here is a glipse of the money they are talking about from the AP article below (with link):

“It may even be $200 billion a year or $300 billion a year, said Chris Hope, a business school professor at the University of Cambridge and part of the IIED study.
Nevertheless, Hope said failing to adapt would be even more expensive — perhaps $6 trillion a year on average over the next 200 years. Adaptation could cut that by about $2 trillion a year, he said.

Global warming may require higher dams, stilts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091204/ap_on_sc/sci_climate_adapting


50 posted on 12/04/2009 7:51:50 PM PST by PMAS
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