Its' the American Way :( 
they learn real quick..but WE don't.
Posted on 12/04/2009 8:57:33 PM PST by Kartographer
On November 17, an incident took place aboard AirTran Flight 297 scheduled to fly from Atlanta Hartsfield Airport to Houston that the media does not want to cover and everyone from the airline to the TSA and other government agencies want to keep very quiet.
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How about a civil / criminal disturbance charge so that we can learn their names?
Shakedown. The 9/11 guys tried not to stick out. Someone should have followed them from the sirport and taken care of business.
Unbelievable.
Something needs to be done about this situation or it’s going to go ballistic!
It appears this story may not be true. The author of the email was not on the plane.
Here is a very recent story and press release from Airtran: http://www.ajc.com/business/airtran-hero-wasn-t-226517.html
If the reporter interviewed airline staff and they corroborate the story, then I would think the airline officials are trying to cover it up.
Pieces of SHIITE.
Makes no sense as a dry run. What exactly would they be trying to prove....that multiple muslims can fly on the same plane and be obnoxious jerks?
Nothing really this does to ‘dry run’ them for anything.
Most likely they wanted a lawsuit.
It would be good if some of the passengers took pictures of these guys,either at the terminal or on the plane. This would back up the stories we’ve been hearing.
It is surely a dry run.
We are close to the anniversary of the Pan Am-Lockerbie mass murders: December 21
http://archives.syr.edu/panam/
Its' the American Way :(
they learn real quick..but WE don't.
This article does not even refer to any e-mail.
Let’s do a little common sense analysis of the Petruna accounting:
“...the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane...”
This is not only against every airline policy, but the FAA regulations as well. Leaving passengers on a plane without an airline representative will get every one of the crew immediately fired.
“5 minutes later,...”
Sure thing. Just a half dozen EXTRA crew just hanging around.
“...the cabin door opened again...”
Like they actually walked off the plane and sealed the passengers in behind them. “Hey, hands off those peanuts, pal!”
“...and a whole new crew walked on.”
“Oh, so the last crew walked off the plane because a dozen terrorists...er....umm...terrorized them to the point they just walked off? Pick me! Pick me!”
Are you kidding me?
Something happened on that plane. Maybe nefarious. Possibly conspiratorial. Probably just really stupid. But if you actually believe word for word what this Petruna clown wrote (admittedly only intended for the eyes of his friends and family), I have a bridge I want to sell you.
He is not the only one saying it...do your homework.
Wake up America !
It would be even better if all passengers with camcorders got the camcorders going and focused on the sandmaggots.
Then the story tells itsef; no interpretation necessary.
If they are being obnoxious deliberately, the muslims would have a tough time pleading "misunderstandings."
Another possibility is for passengers to start singing together to drown out the deliberate loud, disruptive arabic screaming.
If it didn’t happen at all, as some are claiming, then why did they have to change crews?
This stinks of another huge coverup by the airlines.
It is a cover up and there have been plenty of others that you’ve never even heard a glimmer of. Funny that people would actually believe that the jihadists would all of a sudden stop targeting aircraft after the huge success they had on 9/11. HA!!
And I’m sure you know too, they do swap crews out.
As I’m doing a search on the internet, interesting to find these jihadists target AirTran repeatedly.
Nah, they are going after all of them. Coair has had its share too.. US Airways as well.
There are always reserve crews at hub cities ready to go quickly. Some of the reserve pilots can go months without a flight, but the airline keeps them in hotels near the airport anyway.
Same in the Air Force...swap them out in a moments notice.
They just need to beat the hell out of them and throw them off the airplane.
I’m just glad I don’t have to fly anymore.
At the gate, the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.When it was determined the problem was caused by a language barrier, Air Tran and TSA officials allowed the man, and 12 others traveling with him to re-board, and the flight left for Houston a little more than two hours later. Later, officials said the entire incident was the result of a miscommunication.
Two were asked to leave the plane and those two and twelve other companions re-boarded the plane? After that why would I trust the Air Tran version?
Who the hell would get on a flight with 11 Muslims? Can’t be true.
Steve Gill spoke to Tedd Petruno, the passenger who wrote the original description of this event for an hour, and here interviews Dr. Keith Robinson, another AirTran passenger, about the AirTran Flt 297 events he learned:
Scroll down the podcast list to this to hear it, and go to the .. 3:35 .. mark:
Steve Gill - December 3, 2009 Hr 3
LIVE from the Opryland Hotel and Convention Center; D
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2400370/posts
Good catch! Note that the email from the witness made a comment about how the other 11 were escorted out by the passengers. 2 were told to leave, not the other 11. This bolsters the witness who said that the passengers took it upon themselves to remove the 11 (they sure didn’t just leave of their own accord). Looks like the PR person screwed the pooch on this one.
http://www.gillreport.com/index.php Podcast
Steve Gill - December 3, 2009 Hr 3
LIVE from the Opryland Hotel and Convention Center; D
FYI, I don’t work for an airline any more... but I’ll try to do some digging on this with some pilots I know and try to find out if they have more details. Pilots are pretty good about spreading info. They have plenty of time on their hands... and they don’t particularly care for airline executives and the games they play.
But the Air Tran account has two escorted out and 14 brought back. No version of this story indicates that they were still in the boarding process which is the only realistic way 12 more could be brought back than were removed.
While I'm at it here is another discrepancy in the Air Tran version.
At the gate, the passenger -- who didn't speak English -- and a companion were asked to leave the plane, which they did without incident, the airline reported.
Being removed from the plane while you're at the gate is quite a trick.
"Scotty,! beam those two into the plane so we can throw them out."
Thanks, its very late here, and I’m tired. I’ll be able to pay closer attention once I’ve gotten some sleep. Hopefully more info will be forthcoming. I also have some contacts at NASA (who doesn’t in Houston..) and I’ll see if they know this Petruna guy and if they have an idea of his character.
still needs an aviation ping
Have a good rest and good luck with your research.
I first read this story a couple of days ago and it sounded really fishy. Doubted it because a dry run means just that - no one would know that it was practice. Our enemies are evil, not stupid.
Finally found information I had been looking for a few seconds ago:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/flight297.asp
Whether you believe snopes or not, this makes a lot more sense. Overblown incident involving miscommunication due to language barrier.
Trust your instincts unless you are a wacko!
As far as discounting this as a dry-run because they weren't low profile about it that doesn't wash with me. I see no reason why an action like this couldn't serve simultaneously as 1) a dry-run to gauge responses, 2) a fishing expedition for a lawsuit and 3) a way to dull responses to unusual actions by Muslim men.
They scared the crap out of the crew and passengers and then, thanks to PC, they were escorted back on by Federal agents who tried to intimidate the crew and passengers into being quiet and staying on the flight. Those who chose to stay were effectively neutered psychologically. The last thing they were going to do after that was complain about or resist those Muslims for fear of a lawsuit or an accusation of a hate crime.
Every time they do something like this they increase the likelihood of filing a successful lawsuit and decrease the likelihood of interference from either law enforcement or the passengers. They were very successful. The passengers who were upset left the plane and the authorities put the Muslims back on. Who got the approving strokes there?
Yeh, I think I will go along with your observations. Still, the thing sounds a little dopey with so many comments going back and forth and everyone confused as to what was going on. The lady sitting in the back seemed to make more sense than anyone else.
If what you say is true then this was not a “dry run” for something bigger but an event to scare and confuse. Sounds like terrorism to me. What do you think?
Apparently the DUmmies are having their usual foul-mouthed commentary on FR, re: this story
CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Fri Dec-04-09 08:08 PM
LOL! FR jizzing over ‘new hero’ who thwarted ‘Muslim’ attack on flight he wasn’t even on.
From Free Republic, below, then from Atlanta Journal/Constitution, after. I love how they get duped. But all lathered up anyway.
AirTran is trying to claim that the witness was not even on the flight. I already gave one reason to demonstrate that they are grasping at straws, here is another: If he was not on the flight, how would he know anything occurred at all???? The incident was not publicized in any manner. Until the email, no one even knew why the flight was delayed. Yet, they claim he wasn’t on the flight??? Logical FAILURE!
Also Doug Hagman wrote this article. http://homelandsecurityus.com/ Northeast Intelligence Network.
Also AJC is a liberal rag newspaper.
You said it yourself: "Something happened on that plane."
So let's throw out Petruna's letter altogether. Leave it out of the mix. We're still left with a wholly illogical explanation from AirTran for events not in dispute: the plane was turned around, passengers disembarked, TSA involved, new crew boarded. Given the unsettling familiarity of that tune, and the number of times that airlines, TSA, and other alphabet agencies were shown to have either wildly spun or flat out lied about it, I'm not ready conclude that this as all a stupid language-barrier misunderstanding over a camera phone.
I agree that they intended this event to scare and confuse and in that respect it is terrorism. Terrorism is an ongoing thing. Keep people afraid to go about their business and force them to change the things they do.
I still wouldn't put a label on this incident and say "it is this and not that." What they did serves as an act that confuses and terrorizes. It serves as practice and training. If not for these guys then just as well for any others. It serves as testing and probing the system and the civilian response. It provides an opportunity for a lawsuit if they get a reaction a lawyer can manipulate. It pushes the enemy (us) into either backing off, creating good circumstances for a violent attack, or cracking down which betters their chances for a lawsuit and/or hate crimes charges.
Because of PC they win no matter what. These guys are somewhat inoculated now. No problem was found so they won't be on a "no-fly" list and any future scrutiny by security that is beyond the norm can easily be called harassment. Look at the advantage of having the passengers most likely to resist you either voluntarily leave the flight, as supposedly happened here, or be removed by the authorities which is not at all unlikely. The first crew was rattled and angered so they leave and a second crew comes on who has to somewhat feel like they had better treat the camel jockeys with kid gloves.
Perhaps each "dry-run" is always a potential "real-deal" if they feel that the situation falls out in favor of one. They really don't need to bring any weapons on with them. Finding something as good as a box cutter on board is not that difficult. A terrorist's main advantage is his training and his attitude.
This story is so full of dog doo doo my monitor stinks.
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