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Knowing What’s Worth Paying for in Vitamins
NY Times ^ | December 5, 2009 | LESLEY ALDERMAN

Posted on 12/04/2009 10:28:15 PM PST by neverdem

Patient Money

WHEN I stock up on ibuprofen (my painkiller of choice), I typically buy a 500-count bottle of a store brand like Kirkland or Rite Aid. After all, ibuprofen is ibuprofen. Each pill costs me about 3 cents — or only one-third the cost of 9-cent Advil.

Yet, when it comes to vitamins — which I take only when I feel run down — I turn to name brands like Centrum or Nature Made. My thinking has been: Why mess around with quality when it comes to the essential ABCs?

But now that I’ve done some research, I might soon change my vitamin-buying ways. Read on to find out why.

Americans love vitamins. About half of adults take a daily multivitamin, according to industry data. And according to some theories, the economic downturn has inspired them to fortify themselves by swallowing more.

Sales over the last decade had been growing by about 4 percent annually. But this year, as more people are taking their health into their own hands, perhaps hoping to stave off doctor bills, vitamin sales are expected to grow by 8 percent to a total of $9.2 billion, according to Nutrition Business Journal, a market researcher and publisher.

About 42 percent of shoppers purchase their vitamins at natural and...

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But what if you don’t eat well or are chronically stressed out? Then, Professor Rimm says, there may be some benefit from taking a multivitamin. “Certain subgroups, including women of child-bearing age attempting to get pregnant, may need specific supplements, like folic acid and omega-3,” he added...

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FIND A REPUTABLE SOURCE Vitamins and minerals are commodity items, and every manufacturer has access to the same ingredients. For that reason, researchers and scientists say paying more for a name brand won’t necessarily buy you better vitamins...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Testing
KEYWORDS: health; medicine; multivitamins; vitamins
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1 posted on 12/04/2009 10:28:18 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Just remember, the cheap stuff is from China. Heh, heh.

All the expensivo brands insist their magical process is the only kind that’ll actually get to where it’s needed and all others just go through you like poop through a goose...


2 posted on 12/04/2009 10:35:06 PM PST by sinanju
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To: neverdem

Then there are all those studies from the Medical/Industrial complex insisting that vitamins don’t do you any good anyway and may be harmful.

And that vitamins should only be available by prescription anyways.


3 posted on 12/04/2009 10:36:41 PM PST by sinanju
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To: neverdem

It is the New York times where the reporter identifies himself as an idiot by saying this. “Yet, when it comes to vitamins — which I take only when I feel run down — “.

Right, vitamin pills, something that you take when you feel a little down, because we all know that a simple supplement of your everyday vitamins is like a Black Molly, it will get you going man! (sarcasm)


4 posted on 12/04/2009 10:38:47 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: neverdem

ConsumerLab.com each month tests different supplements from manufacturers. It often finds a subset that did not pass each manufacturers’ own standards, or had something additionally tainting them.

A membership is around $25 a year, I think. I bought a two-year membership.

It’s money well-spent if you are concerned about getting your money’s worth with health supplements.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 10:39:12 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up pets while accusing hog farmers of cruelty.)
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To: sinanju

It was discovered that I had massive malnutrition a few years ago. The dr prescribed vitamin B-1. But I’d already been taking a high-dose B complex for *years*. (And expensive one, at that!)

So we spent a few months testing. I’d take my vitamins for a month, then go back for blood work. One by one, we found vitamins that worked.

Turned out that it was the form of the vitamin that made the difference. Tablets and caplets don’t break down for me. Capsules do just fine. (The only tablets that worked were the chelated minerals; but, even then, one brand didn’t work and we had to find a new zinc.)

It was expensive as hell, but well worth it. In the long run I’ll get more bang for my buck.


6 posted on 12/04/2009 10:43:45 PM PST by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: neverdem
WHEN I stock up on ibuprofen (my painkiller of choice), I typically buy a 500-count bottle of a store brand like Kirkland or Rite Aid. After all, ibuprofen is ibuprofen. Each pill costs me about 3 cents — or only one-third the cost of 9-cent Advil.

I still prefer Advil. Generic ibuprofen doesn't have the coating on the outside that makes Advil easier to swallow.

7 posted on 12/04/2009 10:47:28 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: neverdem

GNC Mega Man Multi-Vitamins , 4 right before bed with 3 fingers of Myers Dark Rum (fights off the scurvy) ......:o)


8 posted on 12/04/2009 10:47:42 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: neverdem

Yeah don’t take vitamins. Only idiots take vitamins, and especially supplements. /s


9 posted on 12/04/2009 10:48:31 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: neverdem
Cheap vitamins are a waste of money.

Synthetic vitamins are developed in the lab from coal tar derivatives. Most of the food supplements sold today are synthetic, which are cheaper to make than natural vitamins.

Coal tar is produced by the destructive distillation of coal under very high temperatures. It may then be refined to produce Liquor Carbonis Detergens (LCD). Coal tar is also processed into many other products, such as lamp-black, for example, which is used to produce black dyes and inks.

Coal tar is a complex hydrocarbon with numerous chemical constituents, such as benzene, toluene, zylene, phenol, cresol, napthaline, anthracine, and pitch. The composition depends on the source of the coal supply and variables in the distillation process.

It pays to buy the best natural vitamins you can afford.

http://www.healthy-vitamins-rx.com/html/vitamins-synthetic-natural.html

10 posted on 12/04/2009 10:49:07 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
I take the liq gel Advil & it gets rid of my migraines better then the prescribed meds do.
11 posted on 12/04/2009 10:49:57 PM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: neverdem

later read


12 posted on 12/04/2009 10:50:01 PM PST by top 2 toe red (Not supporting a corrupt, Marxist, Socialist President makes me a racist?!? Then a racist I am!!!)
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To: ansel12
... it will get you going man!

  I noticed a change after switching from Pepsi to vitamin water. I feel better and the explosive upper body strength comes in handy when I'm faced with street thugs late at night.
13 posted on 12/04/2009 10:58:27 PM PST by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: neverdem

The article mentions vitamin D. Should have said we need vitamin D3, not just plain ol D.


14 posted on 12/04/2009 10:58:57 PM PST by miele man
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To: Marie

Marie: I had read a University of Chicago study that hard vitamins (e.g., Centrum) often go unbroken dowm through yoyr system (found almost whole vitamins in autopses_. Capsules or even liquid vitamins are far better.

Cost? Aspiron/ibuprofen are not identical. The binders in cheaper pills can hurt the potency and actually break down inefficiently. If you feel that Kirkland is great, go for it!

But I tske a StJo’s aspirin and a couple of Advils. A liquid vitamin, flaxseed oil and Resveratrol every day. If I die tomorrow, don’t take them!


15 posted on 12/04/2009 10:59:31 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: pandoraou812

I prefer the old fashioned pills, they store better. I consume lots of NSAIDs due to my back problems. I’ve started using naproxen, because it’s stronger than ibuprofen and lasts longer, but it’s not very gentle on the stomach.


16 posted on 12/04/2009 11:00:29 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

try iHerb.com for a vitamin source. We take Purity Plus Multis that are in a gel cap with actual green powder inside... We take Q10, fish oils, garlic, D3, and I also take NAC. If the sniffles come up, its Umcka liquid drops. For a little pick me up, its B12 drops under the tongue... We have been healthy—knock on wood!


17 posted on 12/04/2009 11:00:42 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: neverdem

bookmark


18 posted on 12/04/2009 11:10:12 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: abigkahuna

I usually get mine at Whole Foods. I use New Chapter Organics and Solgar. Neither of those brands contain coal tar. I don’t remember the last time I was ill.


19 posted on 12/04/2009 11:14:45 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: neverdem; Marie; sinanju

There are soem essential minerals and Vits that people might- and hte key word here is might... need IF and only IF they are low on them- Vitimin D dificiency causes problems, Vit B-12 dificiency can cause soem pretty nasty problems, especially in peopel who can’t absorb it in intestines who have itnestinal problems, and peopel with blood sugar problems might need to suppliment with chromium picolinate to help regulate both high and low blood sugar levels- however, the vast majority of people get all the vitimins andm inerals they need throuygh their diet- even if that diet isn’t exactly the healthiest in the world

The vitimin industry is a huge rip off for most people- and they know people are desperate for that ‘magic pill’ that ‘miracle cure’, and they play on people’s emotions in order to sell their products- but the fact is that most vitimins in excess are pissed out of the system, doign very little and infact, possibly doing harm to those with compromised immune systems or hormonal problems.

Vitimins and minerals and herbs are a very tricky business if you don’t know what you’re doing- people with overactive immune systems are playing with fire by taking immune boosting vits and mins, and people with hormonal problems or imbalances hear that so and so vit or min or herb is ‘good for so and so hormone ‘balance’ however, whiel that might be true, boosting one hormone level might trigger another hormone to go out of whack, and messign with hormones aint a good thing- it can really screw someone up, especially when you start ‘adjusting hormones’ by using hormone altering vits mins or herbs artificially

There are also several vitimins that when taken in excess can cause problems, and some, like Selenium, and Vitimin E, can actually accelorate the cancers they are purported to ‘help’ or ‘cure’ (some unscrupulous vitimin suppliers are still using ‘cure’ or hinting at ‘cures’, again, playing on people’s fear)

sinanju brings up a good point too- buying cheap vitimins- you never know how the actual active ingredients are made, what they are made from, or what the inert ingredients are- stuff from china in the past has proven to be very questionable, and even dangerous in certain items and goods- IF you are goign to buy vitimins mins or herbs, do so from reputable busiensses here i nthe states who aren’t goign to lie or scrimp or cut coerners because to do so 2ould ruin them

Puritan’s Pride company often has great sales- buy 2 get three free, buy one, get 2 free etc -worth checkign out for htose who need vits mins or herbs- they’ve been around a long time, very fast shipping, good service, etc, and are quite reputqable

Marie also brings up a very good point- only certain forms of vits and mins really do any good i nthe body- especially in people with problematic stomachs or intestines- which make it difficult to digest, absorb, or convert certain vits mins and herbs- Take B-12 for isntance, peopel with bowel problems can’t absorb B-12 in the form usually found in vitimins, but they can absorb more readily what B-12 converts into (B-12 Methylcobalmin)(sp?)

and another point, peopel with htigns liek Crohn’s disease often have vitimin malnutrition- however, adding vits willy nilly can be quite bad for the person, as they can leech calcium from bones, and increasing blood calcium, causing more frequent kidney stones which peopel with Crohn’s are susceptible to anyways (that’s why they need to be careful of meds that leech calcium from bones- like prednisone which is often prescrivbed for Crohn’s- But Vitimin D suppliments have also been known to increase kidney stone occurances too)

Bottom line- finetuning by suppliminenting is a risky busienss, and a confusing one- be careful, and do some homework- but try to get most of your nutrients out of good foods, and most people will be fine, perhaps only occasionally needign to add certain suppliments


20 posted on 12/04/2009 11:16:24 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

We use New Chapter Organics as well as some other high quality, relatively expensive brands. Here’s they deal: the really cheap drugstore crap is from CHINA. How much do you trust them?

There are plenty of ways to save money. Not with your food or vitamins.


21 posted on 12/04/2009 11:21:00 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Maurice Tift
I noticed a change after switching from Pepsi to vitamin water. I feel better and the explosive upper body strength comes in handy when I'm faced with street thugs late at night.

I dig it, when I'm fighting Vampires, I only drink the vitamin water.

22 posted on 12/04/2009 11:21:40 PM PST by ansel12 (Scozzafava/Romney 2012)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Whole Foods has a good selection, but try iHerb.com for better pricing on the same items you are getting at Whole Foods...


23 posted on 12/04/2009 11:22:10 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: abigkahuna

It’s mainly for convenience that I buy at WF. I don’t have the patience to wait for them to be sent. :~/ lol I’ll check out your site though, cause if the savings is big enough, it might sway me!


24 posted on 12/04/2009 11:26:47 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: abigkahuna

iHerb has a rich library of information on all the various vitamins, herbs and supplements etc...in each category you will finds scores of brands from which to make a decision, complete with reviews, etc. We find it is a good source for information on various supplements. And no, we do not represent iHerb, we are just a customer... If you want good oil of oregano as a bronchial supplement, then they have it in various brands, prices and sizes and types... We use the oil of oregano during cold and flu season sparingly. Three drops of the stuff in a glass of water two times a day for up to a week at most. Anymore than that is not good for your innards...But the stuff does wonders.


25 posted on 12/04/2009 11:29:37 PM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: neverdem

I remember at one point taking vitamins.

They made my pee bright yellow, so I stopped taking them.

This represents the extent of my experience with the subject.


26 posted on 12/04/2009 11:30:43 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: CottShop

Probiotic formulas made sense, but they all gave me the gut gurgles. I never could get used to them.

Meal replacement diet shakes all either gave me gas or nasty, stiff painful doodys. No matter how much fruit and veggies I ate.

And that’s not even mentioning the body-building supplements, sheesh! Way to blow a million bucks!


27 posted on 12/04/2009 11:31:12 PM PST by sinanju
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To: spodefly

Sounds like maybe you weren’t drinking enough water?


28 posted on 12/04/2009 11:33:43 PM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: sinanju

[[Probiotic formulas made sense, but they all gave me the gut gurgles. I never could get used to them.]]

Me either- only thing I take now are Chromium picolinate, and trying otu B-12- the one I mentioned-

[[And that’s not even mentioning the body-building supplements, sheesh! Way to blow a million bucks!
]]

Beleive me, I’ve spent a ton of money- having Crohn’s and Fibromyalgia, I guess I got desperate for a ‘cure’ and beleived a lot of the ‘research’ and ‘clinical trials’ these companies suppsoedly did- then when looking into the actual trials, I saw they were ‘inconclusive’ or not very helpful, and htose that were, coulda been chalked up to placebo effect- then I started becomign more andm ore suspicious over time, and finally smartened up a bit- no more spending for me- I’ve resigned myself to hte fact that the Good Lord doesn’t want me to find the answer pill, and have resigned myself to simpyl accepting that I’m always gonna feel cruddy (I discovered after trying many different thigns, and wasting a LOT of money of bogus claims from different brands and concoctions of vits mins and herbs, that I can feel really cruddy, medium cruddy, or pretty cruddy at best- but any way I slice it, it’s gonna be cruddy)

My motto now is ‘life is what it is, and that is that’ ,and I try to weigh cost of somethign to how much it helps, and for the cost of vitimins, nothign helped significantly enough to even write home about and cost me an arm and a leg to try. Oh well. (and besides, I might have even doen myself harm, as I’ve had to have several surgeries which I suspect mighta been because I mucked things up by messign with mins vits and herbs- but it coulda just been gonna happen anyways- hard to tell- now I just try to get vits andm ins out of food naturally, and leave it at that


29 posted on 12/04/2009 11:43:37 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: neverdem

Vitamins, bah! Globull warming writ small, if you ask me! Spending money just to urinate richer, and there’s always a new need, a different approach, some modification, some new fad.


30 posted on 12/04/2009 11:44:35 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (LIBERTY)
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To: neverdem

Just eat more chocolate, you’ll be fine.


31 posted on 12/04/2009 11:45:45 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (LIBERTY)
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To: Yaelle

[[There are plenty of ways to save money. Not with your food]]

Road kill aint so basd once you get used to it


32 posted on 12/04/2009 11:46:23 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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If anyone wants GOOD vitamins — all natural — that are made in the USA, you can FReepmail me.


33 posted on 12/04/2009 11:52:33 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Of course chocolate is part of my daily supplement!


34 posted on 12/05/2009 12:05:53 AM PST by abigkahuna (Step on up folks and see the "Strange Thing" only a thin dollar, babies free)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I second that theory! :~D


35 posted on 12/05/2009 12:11:37 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (So the writer who breeds more words than he needs, is making a chore for the reader who reads.)
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To: neverdem
FIND A REPUTABLE SOURCE Vitamins and minerals are commodity items, and every manufacturer has access to the same ingredients.

Buyer beware! Made in CHINA!

36 posted on 12/05/2009 12:12:28 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: neverdem

Vitamin D May Be Tied to Heart Disease Via Genes
Finding could aid in eventual development of screening test, researcher says

Posted December 3, 2009

THURSDAY, Dec. 3 (HealthDay News) — New research points to the possibility of a genetic link between vitamin D and heart disease.

People with high blood pressure who had a gene variant that reduces vitamin D activation in the body were found to be twice as likely as those without the variant to have congestive heart failure, the study found.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/12/03/vitamin-d-may-be-tied-to-heart-disease-via-genes.html


37 posted on 12/05/2009 12:12:42 AM PST by kcvl
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To: CottShop

I take potassium otherwise I get cramps in my legs. It works!


38 posted on 12/05/2009 12:13:52 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Yaelle

Where can you buy vitamins NOT from China?


39 posted on 12/05/2009 12:15:20 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Sounds like maybe you weren’t drinking enough water?

It felt like enough ...

40 posted on 12/05/2009 12:15:44 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: neverdem

Are you deficient in Vitamin D3?

Did you know that vitamin D3 deficiency can result in Obesity, Type 2 Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, Depression, Psoriasis, Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Kidney Stones, Osteoporosis, & Neuro-degenerative disease including Alzheimer’s Disease. Eventually, Vitamin D deficiency may even lead to Cancer (especially breast, prostate, and colon cancers). Vitamin D3 is believed to play a role in controlling the immune system (possibly reducing one’s risk of cancer and autoimmune diseases), increasing neuro-muscular function and decreasing falls, improving mood, protecting the brain against toxic chemicals, and potentially reducing pain.

Vitamin D3 is both a vitamin and a hormone. It acts as a vitamin when it binds with calcium for proper absorption. Humans cannot digest calcium without adequate amounts of Vitamin D3.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:E2w-OAR29uUJ:www.pamelaegan.com/articles/vitamin-d3.htm+vitamin+D3&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


41 posted on 12/05/2009 12:16:49 AM PST by kcvl
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To: sinanju
And that vitamins should only be available by prescription anyways

MORE CONTROL!
42 posted on 12/05/2009 12:20:01 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

That works for me.

I dont believe in vitamins. Nobody regulates them and if you dont know what you are doing, you could be worse off rather than better off.


43 posted on 12/05/2009 12:20:30 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: BunnySlippers

I really think New Chapter Organics are good — certified organic in the USA. Check them out. Among others I take this multi.

http://www.newchapter.com/products/every-womans-one-daily


44 posted on 12/05/2009 12:29:48 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: CottShop

Hubby has had Crohns for 27 yrs and now has to take a b12 shot monthly due to losing 15 ft of intestine in 2 surgeries. Do you have to do the shots also? His b12 was so low doc said it was dangerous!


45 posted on 12/05/2009 2:06:47 AM PST by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discover" Sarah Palin)
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To: CottShop
I’ve had to have several surgeries which I suspect mighta been because I mucked things up by messign with mins vits and herbs-

What type of surgeries did you have that you think might have been caused by vitamins or minerals?

46 posted on 12/05/2009 2:51:26 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

You are an absolute ninny and everything in your post is wrong. I am now a bit more stupid from just reading your dopey rant.


47 posted on 12/05/2009 5:30:17 AM PST by corkoman
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

If this post had come along in the beginning it would have saved me a lot of unnecessary reading.

Of course—chocolate. Works every time.


48 posted on 12/05/2009 5:59:49 AM PST by Running On Empty
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To: leapfrog0202
Hubby has had Crohns for 27 yrs and now has to take a b12 shot monthly due to losing 15 ft of intestine in 2 surgeries. Do you have to do the shots also? His b12 was so low doc said it was dangerous!

I've got Crohns too, and while I haven't had a bowel resection, I've got an elevated white blood cell count (13000 - 14000) that just won't come down, and they suspect it may be caused by a combination of long term use of prednisone (20mg/day since 1985) and low levels of vitamin B12. I've been getting the injection monthly as well, but we're going to try a month of my using a 1MCG supplement daily to see if it works at all. If not, I may look into doing the IM injections myself.

Mark

49 posted on 12/05/2009 6:12:32 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: neverdem

I was reading a French history book from the 60s and the author was saying something about “those gum chewing, vitamin eating Americans”. Apparently Europeans aren’t into vitamins.


50 posted on 12/05/2009 6:20:42 AM PST by Yardstick
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