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Hacked climate e-mail rebutted by scientists (public doubt about irrefutable scientific facts)
SF Gate ^ | 12/05/09 | Peter Fimrite

Posted on 12/05/2009 6:59:50 AM PST by Libloather

Hacked climate e-mail rebutted by scientists
Peter Fimrite, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, December 5, 2009

A group of the nation's top scientists defended research on global climate change Friday against what they called a politically motivated smear campaign designed to foster public doubt about irrefutable scientific facts.

The allegations came after skeptics seized upon a series of hacked e-mails at England's University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit as evidence of a climate change hoax.

**SNIP**

Drumbeat of skepticism

Despite this, the drumbeat of skepticism about global warming has never been louder. The Internet and conservative news programs have been flooded over the past week with breathless accounts of alleged scientific fraud.

Exhibit A in the controversy are the stolen e-mails, which include messages between academics in the United States and Britain talking about getting greenhouse skeptics "ousted" and referring to research "tricks."

Phil Jones, head of the East Anglia research unit, temporarily stepped down Tuesday after the university began an investigation into the stolen files, which officials called a "criminal breach."

**SNIP**

Mountain of evidence

Schmidt and Michael Oppenheimer, the director of the Science, Technology and Environmental Policy department at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School, said the mountain of scientific evidence pointing to human-caused climate change is all available for scientific review by any skeptic.

They said a colder than normal October in the U.S. - often cited by warming skeptics - does not make for a trend, no matter how often it is repeated on blogs and cable television.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechangedata; climategate; email; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; gorebalism; hacked; msm
...a politically motivated smear campaign...

Isn't that what warmers do?

1 posted on 12/05/2009 6:59:51 AM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; Thunder90; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 12/05/2009 7:02:08 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: Libloather

We can’t let the MSM win this.

Best ClimateGate clips (show everybody you know):

http://www.BraveNewCommie.com


3 posted on 12/05/2009 7:07:28 AM PST by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side; Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: Libloather

“They said a colder than normal October in the U.S. - often cited by warming skeptics - does not make for a trend, no matter how often it is repeated on blogs and cable television.”

Ya, well what is 11 years of declining global temperatures called you freaking morons.


4 posted on 12/05/2009 7:09:05 AM PST by DB
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To: Libloather

They all use Hanson’s and the CRU’s cooked data to say there’s been no decline - hence to hide the decline...

These people are pathetic. Science not.


5 posted on 12/05/2009 7:11:24 AM PST by DB
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To: Libloather
Liberals want to change the subject since they can't defend the science. That's obvious. We don't have the original data so we don't know for sure if they told the truth then or if they are telling it now. In science, to quote the late Carl Sagan, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." None of which has been forthcoming from the AGW crowd.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

6 posted on 12/05/2009 7:38:36 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Libloather
Did this idiot author even bother to read the emails? For example this one? The "evidence" he cites has been fraudulently manipulated from the start.

"The scientific community would come down on me in no uncertain terms if I said the world had cooled from 1998. OK it has but it is only 7 years of data and it isn't statistically significant."

7 posted on 12/05/2009 7:38:59 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: Libloather
They said a colder than normal October in the U.S. - often cited by warming skeptics - does not make for a trend, no matter how often it is repeated on blogs and cable television.

This absurdity of this statement from the same people who point to every single hot day as "proof of global warming" speaks for itself.

8 posted on 12/05/2009 7:40:39 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Demand Constitutionality)
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To: Libloather

Given the drumbeat is a “politically motivated smear campaign”, the ‘scientists’ are better served by examining the poor quality of the CRUminal temperature adjustment computer code. A “smear campaign” cannot change the inevitable conclusion that the temperature record is deliberately manipulated by advocates and an accurate record is unknown at present.


9 posted on 12/05/2009 7:58:59 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: Libloather

“group of the nation’s top scientists defended research on global climate”

The Press Conference was put together by the liberal group “Center for American Progress” ... it was a political stunt by the embattled scientists caught making bad statements and doing bad things.

“hacked e-mails “

NO EMAILS WERE ‘HACKED’ NOR WERE THEY STOLEN - THEY WERE “LEAKED”.


10 posted on 12/05/2009 8:05:44 AM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Libloather

Too many lies in one article to bother rebutting.


11 posted on 12/05/2009 8:12:01 AM PST by bt_dooftlook (ACORN = Another Communist-Overrun Rats-Nest)
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To: Libloather
said the mountain of scientific evidence pointing to human-caused climate change is all available for scientific review by any skeptic.

Uh excuse me a second. Didn't they destroy the original data when they moved into a new facility? I think the leaked emails are like a hand grenade thrown into Algore's bunker.

12 posted on 12/05/2009 8:14:22 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (I am tired of being PC. It's time for torches, pitchforks, tar, feathers and GUNS.)
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To: Libloather
group of the nation’s top scientists

Now that's funny...did it include Algore?

13 posted on 12/05/2009 8:15:43 AM PST by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Libloather
I was going to remark about the "criminal breach" - you know, like what the New York Times gets away with all the time, but this was more interesting:

"They said a colder than normal October in the U.S. - often cited by warming skeptics - does not make for a trend, no matter how often it is repeated on blogs and cable television."

I want to take that one in and savor it for a moment.

There.

Breathtaking in its ignorant and hypocritical splendor!

So, if one places their finger in the breeze and then remarks that it is cool for "this time of year", that isn't a trend (even if it has occurred over and over in the last twelve years), but if some bloated gasbag makes a movie conjured up out of pure sick fantasy and proceeds to bash us over the head with it relentlessly and with the agenda of

1. Fleecing the public to line his own pockets and,
2. Legislating profound changes to our lifestyle and possible existence.......that is?!

OK, I've got it now (*snicker*)
14 posted on 12/05/2009 8:21:20 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Libloather

This article is written with every imaginable slant included, beginning with the “stolen” emails. Comical, not serious.


15 posted on 12/05/2009 8:25:57 AM PST by qwertypie
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To: Libloather

I just can’t get over all the “irrefutable” assertions by the warmists. They non-experts have no right challenging their “facts” as they call them. But when actual scientists (i.e Fred Singer, Tim Ball, etal) do challenge their facts, they ignore them.


16 posted on 12/05/2009 8:28:20 AM PST by driftless2 (for long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: qwertypie

http://wws.princeton.edu/people/display_person.xml?netid=omichael&all=yes

email: omichael@princeton.edu

Michael Oppenheimer joined the Princeton faculty in 2002 after more than two decades with Environmental Defense, a non-governmental environmental organization, where he served as chief scientist and manager of the Climate and Air Program.

Oppenheimer is a long-time participant in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) which won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007, serving most recently as a lead author of the IPCC’s Fourth Assessment Report. He is currently a member of the National Academy of Sciences’ Panel on Alternative Liquid Transportation Fuels. He is also a science advisor to Environmental Defense.

His interests include science and policy of the atmosphere, particularly climate change and its impacts. Much of his research aims to understand the potential for “dangerous” outcomes of increasing levels of greenhouse gases by exploring the effects of global warming on ecosystems such as coral reefs, on the ice sheets, and on sea level. He also studies the role played by nongovernmental organizations in the policy arena, the role of scientific learning and scientific assessment in decisions on problems of global change, and the potential value of precautionary frameworks. Oppenheimer is the author of more than 80 articles published in professional journals and is co-author (with Robert H. Boyle) of a 1990 book, Dead Heat: The Race Against The Greenhouse Effect. Ph.D., University of Chicago.

Oppenheimer directs the Program in Science, Technology, and Environmental Policy (STEP), has a joint appointment with the Department of Geosciences, and is a Faculty Associate of the Atmospheric and Ocean Sciences program and the Princeton Institute for International and Regional Studies.


17 posted on 12/05/2009 8:31:20 AM PST by qwertypie
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To: Libloather
out_in_the_cold

Well at least we've gone past the "ignore" phase and are now into the "attack" phase.

18 posted on 12/05/2009 8:41:31 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: Libloather; Brugmansian; Pan_Yan; azkathy; Just mythoughts; Marine_Uncle; Marie; fanfan; ...
"There is so much information that tells us the planet has been warming," said Gavin Schmidt, a climate modeler at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. "No independent study is going to come up with anything other than what we've already concluded."

Write this clowns name down....because now we have this:

UK: Met Office to re-examine 160 years of climate data [could take three years]

19 posted on 12/05/2009 8:53:06 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Islam=Murder

Great collection.


20 posted on 12/05/2009 8:54:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Libloather

No mention of snowfall near Houston?


21 posted on 12/05/2009 8:56:10 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Libloather

All the Damn Data that is Worth to Hide Proves AGW is not a scientific argument.

These guys all need to go to prison.


22 posted on 12/05/2009 10:08:39 AM PST by dila813
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To: Libloather

“They said a colder than normal October in the U.S. - often cited by warming skeptics - does not make for a trend, no matter how often it is repeated on blogs and cable television”

How about no warming since 1999 - it that a trend yet?

I’m pretty sure 99% of the skeptics realize that a colder October doesn’t necessarily indicate a long-term trend. But we’re also tired of see features about global warming every time some ski resort has a bad winter, and we appreciate the opportunity to send the AGW cultists into a tizzy by playing their game back at them.


23 posted on 12/05/2009 10:33:51 AM PST by Gil4 (Sometimes it's not low self-esteem - it's just accurate self-assessment.)
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To: Libloather
Mountain of evidence

It's certainly a mountain of something.

24 posted on 12/05/2009 10:44:08 AM PST by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I am a BIGFOOT ( as opposed to lower footprint ) GLOBAL WARMING DARWNIST DENIER AGAINST THE CULT OF THE RELIGION OF GLOBAL WARMING HOAX...
Or ? to make it short, a BIGFOOT AGW DENIER
25 posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:35 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Nateman

We need a 5 step or 7 step phase on what are the signs of a denier...


26 posted on 12/05/2009 11:21:29 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Libloather

AGW BIGFOOT DENIER HERE !!


27 posted on 12/05/2009 11:22:09 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Libloather

Let them call us BIGFOOTERS, I would see it as a honor...


28 posted on 12/05/2009 11:23:03 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: DB
The only " WARMING " is being done is them cooking the data..
AGW HOAXSTERS ??? STOP COOKING THE DATA OR YOU WILL HEAT UP THE EARTH !!!!
29 posted on 12/05/2009 11:26:08 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: goldstategop
" Liberals want to change the subject since they can't defend the science. That's obvious. We don't have the original data so we don't know for sure if they told the truth then or if they are telling it now. In science, to quote the late Carl Sagan, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." None of which has been forthcoming from the AGW crowd. "

i.e. ..... THE DATA IS IN THE DUMP !!!


30 posted on 12/05/2009 11:28:59 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: dila813

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnoYTotZRjE


31 posted on 12/05/2009 11:31:28 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Libloather

Over the last 20 years, the US government spent $32 billion on climate research, yet has failed to find any evidence that carbon dioxide emissions significantly affect temperature or represent a danger. Government agencies, the private sector, and universities were the recipients of this money. These organizations have a vested interest in maintaining the myth.

The feds also spent another $36 billion for development of climate-related technologies in the form of subsidies and tax breaks. Solar and wind-power generation of electricity can be a supplemental supply, but these methods could not compete with fossil fuels without a subsidy. These industries have a vested interest in maintaining the myth.

The ethanol industry is founded solely on the myth that we must reduce our use of fossil fuels, even though the U.S. has abundant supplies.

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (Bailout bill) contained $3.4 billion for research and experimentation in the area of carbon sequestration – burying carbon dioxide generated by fossil fuel plants. There are also, really wild schemes for geoengineering, schemes to block the sun with mirrors, or seed the atmosphere with sulfur to produce more clouds.

On the world commodities market, trading carbon credits generated $126 billion in 2008, and big banks are collecting fees, and some project a market worth $2 trillion. Al Gore’s venture capital firm, Hara Software which makes software to track greenhouse gas emissions, stands to make billions of dollars from cap-and-trade regulation. If the myth is destroyed, this market will evaporate.

Back in 2007, a coalition of major corporations and environmental groups formed the U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP) to lobby for cap & trade. The companies planned to profit (at least in the short term) from either the cap-and-trade provisions or from selling high-priced, politically-favored (if not mandated) so-called “green” technology to the rest of us — whether we need it or not, and regardless of whether it produces any environmental or societal benefits.

Corporate USCAP members include: Alcoa, BP America, Caterpillar Inc., Dow Chemical, Duke Energy, DuPont, FPL Group, Exelon, General Electric, Lehman Brothers, John Deer & Co, PG&E Corporation, and PNM Resources.

Has science been co-opted by greed and ideology; has government been co-opted by scientific elitists?

In his farewell address, Dwight D. Eisenhower gave this warning:

“Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.”

“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”

http://www.climatechangefraud.com/editorials/5692-global-warming-industry-meets-reality


32 posted on 12/05/2009 11:57:11 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Libloather
against what they called a politically motivated smear campaign designed to foster public doubt about irrefutable scientific facts

This echoes a perceptive Conservatives vs. Liberals meme, in that it appears that human-caused global warming "skeptics" get angry when people tell lies about them, while human-caused global warming disaster "alarmists" such as the "scientist" quoted in the article get angry when people tell the truth about them...

33 posted on 12/05/2009 5:14:06 PM PST by Zeppo (Save the cheerleader, save the world...)
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To: bt_dooftlook; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Too many lies in one article to bother rebutting."
Agree. The clown who wrote the article, is simply trying to put spin to work. And he is apparently not even aware the UN is going to start its own investigation on this matter with the knowledge of course the dam has broke and many more reputable scientist from many fields will be more comfortable in voicing their concerns over the modeling methods, raw data gathering, measurement stations etc..

34 posted on 12/05/2009 6:51:10 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks Ernest_at_the_Beach.


35 posted on 12/06/2009 1:53:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Gavin, is quite the character.

He responds to emails at his Real Climate blog and is approachable.

He has at times disagreed with Michael Mann, which is funny for it is obvious the two are indeed in bed together.

36 posted on 12/07/2009 4:15:40 AM PST by winoneforthegipper (I will follow the "True North-star" and that's, Sarah!)
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To: Libloather
Top scientists?


37 posted on 12/07/2009 4:24:11 AM PST by Fresh Wind ("...a whip of political correctness strangles their voice"-Vaclav Klaus on GW skeptics)
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To: American Constitutionalist

You B.A.D.! ;-P


38 posted on 12/07/2009 4:53:15 AM PST by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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