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Navy Seals Could Face Year in Prison Over Alleged Punching of Terrorist
CNSNews.com ^ | 12-05-09 | CNS News

Posted on 12/05/2009 8:16:48 AM PST by montag813

The Navy Seals facing court martial for the alleged abuse of a terror suspect arrested for killing four Americans face up to a year in military confinement, discharge for bad conduct, and forfeiture of two-thirds of their pay for a year, if convicted, according to defense attorneys.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bhodod; blackwater; courtsmartial; fallujah; seals; supporttheseals; terrorism; usnavy
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This outrage is a stain on this nation. It MUST not stand!

Please get involved.

The arraignment is MONDAY. I will be at the rally in Norfolk, VA. If you can make it, PLEASE come. If not, then please take action to stop this madness.

Suggested actions:

(1) Contact persons of influence. List HERE

(2) Donate to help run ad which is running to try and reach a wider audience (outside of Fox, the media is censoring this story)

(3) If possible, attend the rally in Norfolk, VA on Monday

(4) If the charges are not dropped Monday, then donate to the SEALs legal defense fund (I will find and post latest info after my next call with the SEALs attorneys_

1 posted on 12/05/2009 8:16:50 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
UPDATE: Here is the FR link to the Monday rally
2 posted on 12/05/2009 8:18:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

Thanks for posting. This is important.


3 posted on 12/05/2009 8:21:58 AM PST by alrea
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To: montag813

And what is the likelyhood that the this particular terrorist was doing what “the manual” told him to do and caused his own bloody lip? “The Manual” clearly tells them to immediately cry torture. And of course, the court system will take a known terrorist’s word over that of our elite military members.


4 posted on 12/05/2009 8:22:08 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: montag813

This is outrageous, the whole thing should be dropped
right now. Where is our illustrated president on this?

I say that be cause he is a cartoon president.


5 posted on 12/05/2009 8:22:50 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: montag813

I have to believe these charges will be dropped and this will never get to trial.


6 posted on 12/05/2009 8:23:33 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: montag813

Should have just double tapped him, and been down with him.


7 posted on 12/05/2009 8:24:00 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: montag813

This has the possibility of very dangerous ramifications. First, recruitment will drop. Secondly, fewer people will try to get into elite units. Thirdly ... and MOST dangerous, our military members will hesitate before taking action, which will get them and others in their units killed.


8 posted on 12/05/2009 8:24:11 AM PST by Jackson57
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To: tet68

The Commander exercising General Courts Martial Jurisdiction has the authority to drop these charges.


9 posted on 12/05/2009 8:24:44 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: montag813

I doubt we will ever see the Seals convicted. Court Martials can be held for two reasons. To convict or to get a verdict so others can’t take them to civilian court. I think they will be found innocent and then it’s a done deal.


10 posted on 12/05/2009 8:24:54 AM PST by RC2
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To: Jackson57

According to some of my testosterone driven friends “If he were dead, it wouldn’t be an issue”. Just because these marines did the right thing, they are being punished for it.


11 posted on 12/05/2009 8:25:07 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: montag813

The term arraignment puzzles me. Isn’t an Article 32 hearing the next step?


12 posted on 12/05/2009 8:25:46 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
I have to believe these charges will be dropped and this will never get to trial.

I have to believe that if the U.S. Army had a Muslim radical who communicated with foreign terrorist supporters and endorsed jihad, that he would be suspended and investigated, and not promoted to Colonel.

In other words, we are dealing with a cabal in power which does not see this nation and its military men as do you and I. Ft. Hood. Khlaid Shiek Muhammed. And now the SEALS. I must assume the worst, and ACT to insure as many Americans as possible know about this outrage, and demand the gov't stop it.

13 posted on 12/05/2009 8:28:05 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

14 posted on 12/05/2009 8:28:19 AM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
The Commander exercising General Courts Martial Jurisdiction has the authority to drop these charges.

The "Commander" himself is the one needing the Court Martial.

15 posted on 12/05/2009 8:29:19 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (What do the _hite House and I have in common? We're both missing W....)
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To: Jackson57

I think that this administration is very close to “aid and comfort to the enemy”

“Title 18, Part I, Chapter 115, § 2381. Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against
them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within
the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer
death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under
this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of
holding any office under the United States.”


16 posted on 12/05/2009 8:31:41 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: RC2

I find it is a true picture of where we are ..... this hsould have never been an issue to begin with. The 60’s doper hippy freaks are getting ther revenge. What a total wated generation.


17 posted on 12/05/2009 8:32:45 AM PST by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

The SEALs chose Courts Martial rather than a mast, did they not?


18 posted on 12/05/2009 8:33:57 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Let’s hope there are some people with sense in this whole mess. I had thought that the “presiding officers” have the prerogative to stop this from going forward... and just dismiss this once and for all. Isn’t there anyone in the system with True Grit, anymore, or is everyone trying to cover their own A$s?... What ever happen to people like Patton? He would not have given this a seconds’ thought, except maybe to commend the seals with a Letter of Recommendation or a Medal!


19 posted on 12/05/2009 8:34:25 AM PST by MajorThomas (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

That’s correct, but if my somewhat unreliable military justice memory serves me, I believe they still are required to convene an Article 32 hearing to determine weather or not to go forward with a Courts Martial.


20 posted on 12/05/2009 8:36:30 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: montag813

will try and donate to fund—many Freepers probably will also. Can’t make VA from CA.


21 posted on 12/05/2009 8:38:16 AM PST by Achilles Heel
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To: Achilles Heel

CA? Are you guys going to let that brainless Boxer get reelected in 2010?


22 posted on 12/05/2009 8:39:50 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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bump!


23 posted on 12/05/2009 8:40:15 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: tet68

Some on the talk shows I listen to say this is a little payback for shooting those pirates against obama’s wishes. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it fits what I’ve learned about obama and the Chicago way.


24 posted on 12/05/2009 8:40:16 AM PST by GBA
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To: montag813

The Navy Judge Advocate General’s Corps has already proven itself to be stuffed full of leftist lawyers in the various persecutions of the Haditha Marines.

And there were already plenty of people along that chain of command who proved themselves willing to harrass and unjustly prosecute Marines for no good reason except to please the press and the politicians or CYA. That was under President Bush, who did NOT inspire any of those kangaroo proceedings but regretably did nothing to try to stop them.

Now Murtha is still riding high and Obama is in charge, and we have criminal leftists in high positions all over the administration. Any officers who resist this put their careers at risk. All that we can really rely on is that the Seals’ immediate superiors will resist the political pressures and act justly toward their men. So far, justice has prevailed, no thanks to the Navy JAG or the higher command.

Let’s hope and pray that it prevails again. One thing in our favor is that although this sort of travesty of justice is popular with the press and the moonbat fringe, it does a lot of damage among normal Americans. Murtha, to take one instance, may still be able to buy his re-election, but he is increasingly vulnerable to a wave of disgust that may eventually throw him out in spite of all his pork. He has not done himself any good with his stupid and dishonorable behavior.


25 posted on 12/05/2009 8:42:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

She is so entrenched with the hand outs and illegals (who vote twice) that is is hard to unseat her. Repubbies don’t try hard enough in her territory. I do think if they got a person who can really go after her—she could be thrown out. Crap and trade, etc. However, she hangs in there—really a dumb ass too.


26 posted on 12/05/2009 8:42:46 AM PST by Achilles Heel
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To: montag813

Just a YEAR! HA! They can do that bouncing on their heads! After the year is up and they are out I would not want to be anyone that was on the jury or in the Prosecution! Can you imagine what a(or 3) pissed-off Navy Seal(s) could accomplish!


27 posted on 12/05/2009 8:42:47 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: montag813
This entire situation is beyond ridiculous, beyond words. Bottom line is these three warriors are making a stand and all three will walk (as should be the case).

But some damage has certainly been done here, completely needlessly because of agendas and incompetence within the system.

It would be nice to see senior level NSW officers / and or from SOCOM stand up and say 'we stand by our men, come hell or high water' in a more public/open way.

28 posted on 12/05/2009 8:42:49 AM PST by SevenMinusOne
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It should be noted that the SEALs were headed to an Admiral's Mast but demanded a Court-Martial. I think it was a smart move. I don't think that the prosecution is going to be able to get a conviction & the SEALs will be acquitted — it's all about clearing their name.
29 posted on 12/05/2009 8:43:11 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: GBA

Socialists will not miss an opportunity to “payback”
any perceived opposition.


30 posted on 12/05/2009 8:44:28 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: montag813

In my fantasy, they take the SEALs, apologize to each of them and their families personally for wasting their time, give them all spot promotions and parade them down the canyon of heroes in NYC while the 9/11 trial is happening. As commander in chief I believe the Bamster could make this happen.


31 posted on 12/05/2009 8:44:32 AM PST by YankeeReb (There's no such thing as Free Healthcare OR a JOBLESS RECOVERY)
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To: montag813

In a civilian court, I just wouldn’t see this going too far. It would seem easy enough for a defense attorney to impeach the credibility of the terrorist witness- and without him the prosecution doesn’t have case.

Are the rules in military justice that different that the Seals are really in jeopardy here?


32 posted on 12/05/2009 8:44:34 AM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: montag813

Thanks for your post. I’ll do what I can to help.


33 posted on 12/05/2009 8:44:37 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

People who remained silent when these circumstances were happening 1-8 years ago, now want to jump on the President. We as citizens must remain consistent and stand against policies that damage America NO MATTER THE PARTY. No more excuses because man R is better than man D. As a matter of fact, we should divorce our support from the parties, and move them towards the person only. We are the mind that drives this dysfunctional system, and the system is insane.


34 posted on 12/05/2009 8:45:27 AM PST by runninglips (Lame-stream media, ignoring the stories that are too important to cover)
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To: montag813

Those who have not served under battlefield conditions, whether military or civilian, should never be allowed to judge our armed service members who are charged with misconduct while on the battlefield. Read “With the Old Breed” by E.B. Sledge who fought as a Marine on Peleliu and Okinawa. Battle is dangerous, dirty and life is cheap. Survival is partly skill and mostly luck. If we put our troops in such conditions, don’t expect them to be altar boys.


35 posted on 12/05/2009 8:48:27 AM PST by RicocheT
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To: runninglips

Oathkeepers.org


36 posted on 12/05/2009 8:48:58 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: Tallguy

Admirals Mast or Captains Mast? I didn’t know there was an Admirals Mast. One thing about a Captains Mast is that the, so called victim, could file suit in civilian court after the Captains Mast. That is my understanding. In a Court Martial, the Seals can’t be brought to court again by anyone. It would be considered double jepordy (sp?).


37 posted on 12/05/2009 8:48:59 AM PST by RC2
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To: runninglips
People who remained silent when these circumstances were happening 1-8 years ago, now want to jump on the President. We as citizens must remain consistent and stand against policies that damage America NO MATTER THE PARTY

This case is beyond politics. It should enrage every American. That's why I donated to the ad (this). I found out about this issue from the ad, and it made my blood boil. Every friend I sent it to was enraged as well by it, even my liberal father. If you don't donate, at least send the video link to everyone you know. We need to use any and all means to OVERWHELM the system with anger, so the charges are dropped.

38 posted on 12/05/2009 8:54:00 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

ping


39 posted on 12/05/2009 8:58:19 AM PST by ocr1 (really?.. Really?)
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To: Ready4Freddy

At least some are aware they are SEALS not seals.


40 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:18 AM PST by Recon Dad ( SSgt O - 3rd Afghanistan Deployment - Day 46)
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To: RicocheT

A-men!
I support them 1000%.They do what they do because it has to be done.Period.


41 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:30 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: montag813

BUMP


42 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:58 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: montag813

Thank you for informing us. This is an outrage and we have to do all we can to protect our Seals.


43 posted on 12/05/2009 9:01:48 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: montag813

The JAG jerks pushing this need to spend time in prison.


44 posted on 12/05/2009 9:03:38 AM PST by mort56 (He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither. - Ben Franklin)
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To: RC2

I read Admiral’s mast, but I have to be honest with you, it’s the first time I’ve heard the term also. I suppose that would be either the CinC for the theater, or perhaps the Top SEAL himself?


45 posted on 12/05/2009 9:05:02 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
CA? Are you guys going to let that brainless Boxer get reelected in 2010?

That's SENATOR brainless Boxer to you!!

46 posted on 12/05/2009 9:09:17 AM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: tet68

I say the damage is already done to the military ,
and with the amount of service people at Sara’s book signing , the non labeling of the ft hood killer , and now this against the elite ,

but then lets not forget upon returning they are now to be placed on the watch list

it is a truly sad time in America , and i know this plays heavy on the minds of our service men and woman trying to protect what once was a great nation

Times ate changing in the shadow of darkness


47 posted on 12/05/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by mdel747
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To: tet68

I say the damage is already done to the military ,
and with the amount of service people at Sara’s book signing , the non labeling of the ft hood killer , and now this against the elite ,

but then lets not forget upon returning they are now to be placed on the watch list

it is a truly sad time in America , and i know this plays heavy on the minds of our service men and woman trying to protect what once was a great nation

Times are changing in the shadow of darkness


48 posted on 12/05/2009 9:15:26 AM PST by mdel747
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To: montag813

The revolution could begin over this very issue.


49 posted on 12/05/2009 9:15:53 AM PST by IbJensen (Merry Christmas to everyone, especially the ACLU)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

That is true, but the SEALs chose to go straight to CM without passing go.


50 posted on 12/05/2009 9:16:05 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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