Skip to comments.Cars, quo warranto, and Obama (Donofrio update)
Posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:07 AM PST by Danae
With so many lawsuits filed every day in America, one more might seem irrelevant. There is one however that should be watched, but will most likely escape notice. For a little while at any rate
Neil Cavuto welcomed former Chrysler dealer James Anderer to his show on Fox Business News Daily to talk about a case that has been filed by a group of dealers who lost their businesses in the Washington D.C. District Court. Lead Plaintiff Anderer mentioned a team of legal experts while describing the case to Cavuto, and an anonymous source has named Leo Donofrio and Steve Pidgeon as having been retained by a group of Chrysler dealers who lost their franchise in the Chrysler bankruptcy sale. They have been retained to bring two actions:
1. A motion to reconsider the Court's approval of the dealer rejections. 2. A quo warranto in the D.C. District Court pertaining to Obama and his administration.
(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...
Because his father was Kenyan, Both Nationalities fell to Obama as a matter of inheritance.
Apuzzo is correct! He is!
I have been searching the internet, I have not found it yet. I have not been able to see the video. That irks me....
LOL Something like that lol
Certainly this is going to be really interesting. Because it is filed in the D.C. District court, the only other court to go to is SCOTUS. And Quo Warranto can only be decided and carried out by the D.C. District Court, the only appeal that Obama would have would be SCOTUS. No, the highest court is not going to be able to duck this.
Only in the imagination of birthers is the parents' birthplace important.
And even if it was, long form BCs only have the birthplace of parents as this information was volunteered by the parents themselves. It states nothing about the parents' citizenship.
There is an update to the story. The bankruptcy case will be brought in the Southern District of New York in the bankruptcy court, the Quo Warranto will of course be in D.C. Also Charles Payne is the one who did the Anderer interview for Cavuto, I am still searching for a Video of it, If I find it, I will post it!
I read all the replies to your comments before commenting myself, so as not to repeat anyone elses statements. Nobody has proven that he has legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro, as he was adopted and had a legal name change, and nobody (including Obama/Soetoro) has ever proven that he is infact a citizen at all. The last we know is that he is a british subject, then an indonesian one. He has not offered proof that he is even a naturalized citizen, lot less a Natural citizen. Which of course, he cannot be, as his father in Kenyan Born, hence a British Subject at the time of his birth, and the US/British law at the time did not provide for Dual Citizenship.
I found that page but no video :(
All that you say is true.
Thank goodness it is finally being brought to the right court, the right venue, with persons with standing and a just grievance to take up with the government!
Very very interesting.
Ok, I have figured out that a video does exist, as soon as it gets uploaded, and I get the link, I will post it.
This case seems really important because it is a challenge to our Constitution. I wish the executives required to reduce or give back pay would also challenge obama and czars.
It’s amazing the unconstitutional actions that can be taken by an unconstitutional Administration isn’t it? THAT is why it is so important that we follow the thing. It is the ONLY thing that protects us, the people. With out it, we have nothing. The Obama Administration is doing and following blatantly unconstitutional policies, and Congress is hell bent on passing legislation that it has absolutely no constitutional power to write, and the unconstitutional President is signing all of it.
American’s have GOT to wise up to these issues. They do matter!
I don’t think that they at any time said that they had documents from within days of his birth. Certainly no one outside of Hawaiian officials or perhaps Soetoro a/k/a/ Obama himself has been allowed to see any such documents or revealed what information is on them. They said that they had documents relating to his birth but not that they were filed within days of his birth. If that had ever been said it would be featured on line and it has not been.
What happens if it turns out his father is really Frank Marshall Davis? That would make him a NBC and a red diaper baby. Would Quo Warranto work in that case?
But consider this: No matter who we discover today to be BHO’s real father, there's no changing the fact that he was British-at-birth. At the moment of his birth, it was recognized that BHO Sr. was his father, and bestowed upon him at the moment of his birth both British and Kenyan statuses.
For the record, I do not doubt that BHO was born in Honolulu, HI, nor do I doubt that his father was BHO Sr.
I am thinking that would take a DNA test, and as of this time there is no reason for anyone to demand that of Obama, and get it through a court. We have to work with what is provable, and so far, that is a a COLB generated from a Birth Certificate that lists Barack Hussein Obama Sr. as the father. There is no reason to conclude otherwise from available evidence. The rest is speculation that can’t be proven or dis-proven.
If in-fact he were the illegitimate son of Davis, he would be a Natural Born Citizen, as his citizenship would be solely determined by his mother’s citizenship. In fact, it is just about the only way that Obama could be a natural born citizen.
They gave a legal response to Leo Donofrio stating statutorily that he was denied access to the documents dating from within days of Obama’s birth, Leo asked the question VERY specifically. If the documents did not exist, they would have said the documents did not exist. Leo had it online before shutting down his blog, and he also told me that personally through email.
Yes they did and yes he had that on his website. Subsequently, as he reported, they seemed to equivocate. I don’t recall that in saying that they had documents about the birth that they gave any time frame and I don’t believe that they ever have given any time frame such as “witnin days.” Further, under the territorial act in effect, the Vital Statistics Act of 1957, there would be no reliability to such a statement unless the actual documentation could be checked.
They would not reply as they did if they were not there. Believe me, getting them to admit that statutory denial was not easy. Leo had quite the back and forth with them on it, he really had to pin them down and call them on the parsing of their language. I know, I have seen at least some of the emails involved.
If you are born on American soil & both parents are citizens at the time of your birth, you are a natural born citizen. If If born on American soil & neither, or only one is a citizen, you are a dual citizen. If you are born on foreign soil and one or both parents in a citizen, you are a dual citizen.
The Constitution was drafted by men with a common understanding of the term “natural born citizen” as it was written into the Constitution. It would have been inconceivable to them that 200+ years later the term would be the subject of such enormous debate and misunderstanding.
The Framers, having been born (one and all) British subjects, understood they were not themselves “natural born” citizens of the United States, nor was it possible for anyone alive and of age at the time of the Constitution’s adoption, to be president under the ‘natural born citizen,’ requirement; thus they exempted themselves and their contemporaries, all newly minted citizens of the United States. The other Constitutional offices do not require the holder to be a “natural born citizen,” but merely a “citizen.”
The Supreme Court has never defined the term “natural born.” Clarification of that term is sought in various of the ‘eligibility’ suits. If, as many believe, the Framers’ understanding and intent was that a ‘natural born citizen’ was the child of two American citizens (especially the father) at the time of birth, then Obama does not qualify under the Constitution to be President of the United States. The Founders’ common knowledge and understanding of Vattel’s Law of Nations could well lead to that conclusion.
United States Constitution:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
Article I, Section 2, Clause 2:
“No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.”
Article I, Section 3, Clause 3:
“No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.”
I reviewed all of them and they refused,according to him, to obey the Hawaii state version of the Freedom of Information Act. His blog said that there was an administrative appeal by another man he called, I believe, Kevin and now his blog has gone dark so it is not clear what has happened. It seemed like a promising avenue of inquiry. It is unfortunate that he has not followed through and let us know what has happened.
He posted that they replied with being denied access to the documents. Meaning that they have them. I wish you would listen to what I am saying.
I don’t disagree that they have documents but I disagree with the notion that any thing of substance has been revealed abouit what those documents say.
However, this vital record could be a report of a home birth. A home birth could easily have been a fraudulent report to hide a foreign birth in an attempt to gain US citizenship for BHO II.
I respect and support your dedication to the NBC two-US-citizen-parent approach, but I view you as consistently disregarding and diminishing potential evidence out-of-hand that leaves open the possibility that Obama was born outside the US, such as a home birth report in HI.
So far Obama has been totally open about and gotten away with declaring that his father was not a US citizen including the obviously erroneous Indiana State Appeals Court ruling. Federal courts may be cowards on this issue as well, but not if Obama was born in Kenya.
The desperate and expensive attempts by Obama to continue to hide his original HI “vital records” is the best indication that something in the record points to extreme damage to his political career such as opening the door to a foreign birth.
In my view the Chrysler dealer's quo warranto action will force discovery of the HI vital records and if those records open the door to a foreign birth in any way, then we will have something that can buttress other evidence of foreign birth.
I am not discounting the possiblity that he was born outside the United States. Only that it is impossible to prove with out a court order releasing the documents and or a court case in Hawaii, and unless you have the money to go there and fight that battle, its not happening right now. I don’t have that money.
Until a Court Order forces the release its a dead end for now. Alternatively, start your own UIPA requests in Hawaii and then take it to a court in Oahu and demand the release of the documents. Thats the only way it is going to happen.
Do I like that? No, I don’t. But there is also nothing I can do about it.
Leo has a real hot-potato on his hands with Quo Warranto in D.C. no matter WHAT the Hawaiian documents say, that Quo Warranto would still have to happen, because frankly even if he was born in Kenya or on the moon, this congress is not going to impeach him. It is possible that the process of Quo Warrento may force the release of his Hawaiian documents, and I hope that is the case. That being said, if his long form says he was born at a given address, it is still a valid Hawaiian birth certificate and has legal weight. It would take a full on investigation by the Department of Justice, into the processes in Hawaii to even come close to proving that Obama was born somewhere else. Do you see Eric Holder appointing a special prosecutor to look into that? No, I don’t either.
Out best hope of getting this British citizen out of the people’s house is Quo Warranto.
Which would bring into play all the education he recieved as a student from out of the country. He basically got a free ride as a foreign student at Occidental. And just how did he pay for his college education? His parents were either out of the country, or when in country, very low paid Govt Employees. It is my opinion that he got foreign student scolarships which were more plentiful than academic scolarship for US students. Hence his sealing of school documents. If Frank Marshall were his father, he would have committed fraud, also not something he would like known.
Both could be true. I would not doubt the foreign scholarship thing. It would answer a lot of questions!
I agree that Leo's quo warranto may be the best and possibly only way to compel discovery of Obama’s HI vital records, prove up his NBC status, and that the courts could then circumvent Congress to declare Obama ineligible if warranted.
I believe that Congress would impeach Obama if it were proved that he intentionally concealed knowledge that he was born in Kenya or elsewhere outside the US.
I believe that your NBC non-citizen father scenario may also require arduous investigation into whether Kezia’s marriage to BHO Sr made the Dunham-Obama marriage bigamous thus preventing dual citizenship from passing to BHO II under the 1948 BNA.
Regardless of all failed law suits, - and the F.R. troll lemmings attempts, - this is not going away, toooo many millions are now aware of the Constitutional problem/crisis!!
One way or another the truth will come out, and that is a Biblical promise!!!
I think that would change your present status, and if you do, you cannot run for the office of President
Sarah mentioning it means people in the GOP know. Ditto Natan Deal plus I think Inhofe knows. Obama saying he might be a one-term means he knows.
Leo and some of the youngsters doing research with him have done a great job.
Just out of curiousity what is the Biblical promise? That the truth finally comes out? I sure hope so.
Leo may have it on the back burner and may be keeping quiet. They could incorporate the document demand of HI in the lawsuit. LEO may also go down the path of his father being a British subject.
Too many non-U.S. newspapers and othere sources mentioned Kenyan born senator when he won in the Senate and people in Africa and outside of America know he was born in Kenya.
Here is the dirty little secret according to Leo!
It didn't expire in 1982, it expired 1984, and in 1983 the BNA kicked in and made him a permanent British citizen, even today as we speak, He has voting rights in the U.K.!!
So as HE says he is a citizen of the WORLD, comes pretty close, because U.K. is also member of E.U.!!!
Also, WHY was it then so necessary to provide a special Senate resolution for McLame???
The attorneys are apparently NOT pro-bono???
What would that do to help you???
Because he was born in a Hospital in Colon Panama. Not on the military base inside U.S. territory, or so the skinny goes. If he was born in Colon, then he is not a Natural Born Citizen either. So the Senate resolution was done to lay to rest persistent rumors that he was not a Natural Born Citizen, and is the most likely reason that McCain didn’t hammer Obama on the NBC issue. He SHOULD have. He has taken a couple of oaths to uphold the constitution and he failed in that.
Yep, there was a two year grace period on the expiration.
However, there are so many inconstancy in the polluted brackish water. Such as the registrations numbers compared to the Nordyke twins. Such as an amendment on on his B.C., etc.?
TODAY, maybe yes, and maybe no, but how was that possible in the 70 - 80ties???
We can deal with biden
That’s another question. Do we know for sure that Obama Sr. is the father on the long form that we have NOT seen???
Which one case was that???
In the United States today, quo warranto usually arises in a civil case as a plaintiff’s claim (and thus a “cause of action” instead of a writ) that some governmental or corporate official was not validly elected to that office or is wrongfully exercising powers beyond (or ultra vires) those authorized by statute or by the corporation’s charter.
A quo warranto proceeding against President Barack Obama, in conjunction with a related bankruptcy case, will be filed in December 2009. Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Stephen Pidgeon will represent Chrysler auto dealers who lost their dealerships due to actions by Obama, whom they will argue does not qualify as a ”natural born Citizen” because he holds dual citizenship with Britain through his father. Therefore, President Obama is believed to be a usurper to the Office of President, and thus has no constitutional authority to do harm to the auto industry. The lead plaintiff, Chrysler dealer Jim Anderer, indicated that a lawsuit would be filed in the Washington D.C. District Court. The first motion will be to consider the Court’s approval of the dealer rejections, and the quo warranto will challenge Obama and his administration for illegally doing harm to the industry.