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Cars, quo warranto, and Obama (Donofrio update)
Examiner.com ^ | 12-06-2009 | Dianna Cotter

Posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:07 AM PST by Danae

With so many lawsuits filed every day in America, one more might seem irrelevant. There is one however that should be watched, but will most likely escape notice. For a little while at any rate…

*snip*

Neil Cavuto welcomed former Chrysler dealer James Anderer to his show on Fox Business News Daily to talk about a case that has been filed by a group of dealers who lost their businesses in the Washington D.C. District Court. Lead Plaintiff Anderer mentioned a team of legal experts while describing the case to Cavuto, and an anonymous source has named Leo Donofrio and Steve Pidgeon as having been retained by a group of Chrysler dealers who lost their franchise in the Chrysler bankruptcy sale. They have been retained to bring two actions:

1. A motion to reconsider the Court's approval of the dealer rejections. 2. A quo warranto in the D.C. District Court pertaining to Obama and his administration.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; chrysler; donofrio; leodonofrio; quowarranto
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To: Danae

What do we know about DC district court justices?


51 posted on 12/05/2009 1:02:22 PM PST by tunedin
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To: Drew68
Abstract (short form) BCs with a raised seal from all states except California and Texas are acceptable with the State Department as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for passport purposes. Pretty sure if you can use it for a passport, you can play little league with it as well.

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes. Applying for passports

So if I brought my BlackBarry phone down to the post office with a picture of my certification of live birth on it.....I'll be able to get a passport? Cool.
52 posted on 12/05/2009 1:16:10 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Danae

the D.C. District Court....hmmm, now that’s a bit of problem. I would put more faith in Miss Tickly and Leo’s Hawaii requests.


53 posted on 12/05/2009 1:19:14 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Drew68
“The short form is not accepted as proof of citizen for a job or a passport or as I understand it, even to play in little league.”

“Abstract (short form) BCs with a raised seal from all states except California and Texas are acceptable with the State Department as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for passport purposes.

Pretty sure if you can use it for a passport, you can play little league with it as well.”

I just sent my son his birth certificate — long form — to obtain a passport.

It may be because the short form did not have a raised seal. I have other short forms certificates of family members without a raised seal.

Went to find the requirements for a passport.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html#DS11Instruc

“*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth.

Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.”

54 posted on 12/05/2009 1:35:41 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: Electric Graffiti
“So if I brought my BlackBarry phone down to the post office with a picture of my certification of live birth on it.....I'll be able to get a passport? Cool.”

Sorry didn't see you found the link before me. I like your scenario.

55 posted on 12/05/2009 1:39:49 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: Electric Graffiti; FR_addict
Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

Yes. Those would be short forms from California and Texas which, for whatever reason, are not acceptable.

In many states if you lose your original BC and request a new one, a computer-generated "short form" certified with a raised seal is all you'll receive. It is in a format the looks just like the famous "Factcheck" BC. And you can use this BC to get a passport as I did.

56 posted on 12/05/2009 1:40:25 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Vendome

“And you are the expert to challenge anything Danae says?”

I believe Obama is hiding something on his birth certificate, otherwise he would not be spending millions of dollars on legal fees to keep it hidden.

I am a Free Republic poster with the right to post my opinions. I am allowed to disagree with Danae. That’s what makes this site great.


57 posted on 12/05/2009 1:45:03 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: Danae
The Obots here on FR will be tied and twisted in knots trying to debunk and explain this one away saying that these car dealers have no standing and that they were not “ Injured “ in any way by Obama’s under handed actions...
58 posted on 12/05/2009 1:54:23 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: FR_addict

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2401091/posts?page=13#13


59 posted on 12/05/2009 1:59:17 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: FR_addict

Look at post # 26 in the link I just sent you.....


60 posted on 12/05/2009 2:00:00 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: Danae

It’s a genuine computer generated document from a few years agon if genuine at all. It proves nothing about where he was born.


61 posted on 12/05/2009 2:02:42 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Danae

That’s not what he had on his blog when it was up. Nor is it what he has said in radio interviews.


62 posted on 12/05/2009 2:04:30 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Danae

What do they quote that could not have been taken from a COLB?


63 posted on 12/05/2009 2:06:24 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Danae
Its been pretty well proven that Obama was born there. Hawaii has admitted that they have documents dating within a week of his birth there.
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If they had been serious they would have used the words **original long form birth certificate**!!!! ( note singular)

Fukino did not! She instead referred to “vital records” ( note the plural. These could be anything at all. They could even have been amended records submitted by Obama himself!

PULEEZ! This is getting old. You really should know better.

But...I DO agree with you about his father. Nothing would please me more than to have the Supreme Court make a decision on this.

64 posted on 12/05/2009 2:09:43 PM PST by wintertime
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To: American Constitutionalist
Thanks for the link.

“The Obots here on FR will be tied and twisted in knots trying to debunk and explain this one away saying that these car dealers have no standing and that they were not “ Injured “ in any way by Obama’s under handed actions...”

Yep. Actually, I think this case is very important. Was waiting for the dealers to file it. Heard about it a few weeks ago.

65 posted on 12/05/2009 2:10:29 PM PST by FR_addict (www.conservativesinactionusa.com)
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To: tunedin

Well, there’s the “blogging and twittering” judge who attacked John Hemenway and then had to back off. Perhaps Leo should contact John Hemenway.


66 posted on 12/05/2009 2:23:39 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: FR_addict

True.

Post on.


67 posted on 12/05/2009 2:29:30 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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Leo’s been quiet of late in the blogosphere, but he’s long talked of this being the big one. I hope he’s right. Best wishes to Leo and the Constitution.


68 posted on 12/05/2009 2:41:40 PM PST by Captain Steve (I'm sick of political correctness and glorifying special interest groups.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

I have to be honest, I am putting more weight on this. The D.C. District court and the Dealers issues is one which already has standing on appeals. Its the perfect vehicle. The Hawaii DoH might well get called into the fray by Obama, because he will have to prove his Citizenship status. He will need to produce all his records for that, and it will be something that he won’t be able to squirm out of.


69 posted on 12/05/2009 3:12:10 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: AmericanVictory

He did post it on his blog. They have documents that date from within days of Obama’s birth.

Its still not relevant, the fact his father is British Kenyan IS.


70 posted on 12/05/2009 3:13:45 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Vendome

Thanks Vendome!

I have been wrong in the past and will be I am sure, in the future, I just try not to keep repeating them, and I can’t learn from em unless I admit to em.


71 posted on 12/05/2009 3:17:56 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

Yes but the fact that they have documents they later backtracked on he reported. In addition the fact that they have documents tells you nothing about what they are, what they say or what they prove, if anything. Given the terrotorial laws and regulations in effect at the time, the fact that there may be documents tells us nothing.


72 posted on 12/05/2009 3:29:21 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Danae

I learned a lot from that exchange.

Post on.


73 posted on 12/05/2009 3:32:37 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Danae
We not only have interested persons for the quo warranto but we have standing, baby!

Now it'll be interesting to see if Holder brings the quo warranto, or because of the conflict of interest appoints a special prosecutor.

Leo is da man!

74 posted on 12/05/2009 3:52:29 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: Danae

When was James Anderer on Cavuto’s Fox show talking about this ?


75 posted on 12/05/2009 4:03:35 PM PST by roylll
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To: Danae
Damn straight we do. This is nuclear hot.

Its not even lukewarm.

76 posted on 12/05/2009 4:19:52 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Danae

obumpa


77 posted on 12/05/2009 4:55:02 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: Danae
His COLB, which I think is genuine

It's a forgery.

78 posted on 12/05/2009 4:56:56 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: TheMom

Did you read this?


79 posted on 12/05/2009 5:07:51 PM PST by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I highly doubt that.


80 posted on 12/05/2009 6:44:52 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: roylll

In the last 24 hours I was told.


81 posted on 12/05/2009 6:47:24 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: AmericanVictory

The fact that they have anything tells us a lot. It means that most likely his COLB is real, though he may still have been born off Hawaii. It doesn’t matter. We have Obama by the short hairs with the British Dad. THAT is what matters.


82 posted on 12/05/2009 6:49:05 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Vendome

Me too. Mostly that I am an idiot LOL


83 posted on 12/05/2009 6:49:34 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: MilspecRob

More will be revealed I am sure... :) Its bigger than you think. Standing is no longer an issue, and a vehicle with Appeals status has been found.


84 posted on 12/05/2009 6:50:32 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Captain Steve

He has to be quiet or so he said some time ago. He posted that at his site I think a couple months ago.


85 posted on 12/05/2009 6:52:01 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: FR_addict

I support your tight to disagree with me too. And I don’t take offense either. It’s about finding the truth. I think Obama has spent millions to keep people looking at what it appears he is hiding. I think it is a deliberate distraction just like a Magician would use. While you are looking at the moving hand, you don’t see what the other is doing... in this case, that other hand is the fact his dad wasn’t a citizen and Obama was born British Kenyan and American and therefore never was a Natural Born citizen. I can prove that as well. Its happened before. I am working on that story now. I can’t post it yet. I am working on getting it published.


86 posted on 12/05/2009 6:59:09 PM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae

The territorial laws in effect in 1961 were extremely loose as to how a birth document could be applied for. The birth documentation may be very relevant. You don’t know until they are seen how relevant they may be. As far as his father not being a U.S. citizen, so far in only one case has a plaintiff been found to have standing, and it was dimissed on other grounds going to the merits of the case as presented for failure to state a claim. It deserves watching.


87 posted on 12/05/2009 7:43:29 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Danae

God no, you are not! It is funny in retrospect. LOL

See ya’ on another thread.


88 posted on 12/05/2009 9:55:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Danae

“Neil Cavuto welcomed former Chrysler dealer James Anderer to his show on Fox Business News Daily “

“In the last 24 hours I was told.”

I take it from your answer you did not watch the video ?

If you find some recent video from Anderer , let me know, the most recent one I found was from Aug.

Having talked to Steve & Leo in the past, I would be surprised if those two teamed up on a case.


89 posted on 12/05/2009 9:58:30 PM PST by roylll
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To: Danae
Snip from Apuzzo:

This all leads to the question of how can Obama be an Article II “natural born Citizen” if he was at birth both a U.S. citizen (assuming he was born in the U.S.) and a British citizen which alone disqualifies him from having that status? But to make matters worse, Obama continues to be a British citizen at a time that he is currently the President of the United States. Can we reasonably conclude that the Founding Fathers, who had just fought a war with Great Britain and who did not want a foreigner to occupy the Office of President, would have allowed a British citizen born after 1789, who carries that status not only from birth but also to the time he occupies the Office, to be President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Military? Another question is how can a would-be President and Commander in Chief of the Military with current dual citizenship obtain a security clearance which he should have to access classified U.S. government information needed by him to carry out the sensitive functions of that Office?

90 posted on 12/05/2009 10:02:17 PM PST by danamco
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To: Danae
a Kenyan birth certificate, a notarized statement, stating that Barack Obama was born at home (which would be a good way to hide a Kenyan Birth)?”

Hawaii DoH replied to Leo Donofrio that he was denied access to documents dating on or about Aug, 1961, which statutorily admits that they do have them. Otherwise they would have replied, the documents do not exist.

First did Barry not write to the hospital telling them that he was born there?

Second were there not some questions that the records had been altered??

Apuzzo explains very clearly that the illegal alien and usurper at present is still a British subject according to the BNA!

91 posted on 12/05/2009 10:22:45 PM PST by danamco
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To: Drew68

Also in the 60, 70 & 80thies???


92 posted on 12/05/2009 10:25:37 PM PST by danamco
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To: Danae

Didn’t you have a “fling” with Polarik about this???


93 posted on 12/05/2009 10:32:34 PM PST by danamco
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To: Danae
Either you have two American Citizen Parents or you don’t. Obama doesn’t. He is a citizen yes indeed, but not a Natural Born one because he ws ALSO born British due to his father.

That's not quite right. British law could have it that he was not a British national at birth, and he still would not be a natural born citizen, because he did not have citizen parents, plural.

94 posted on 12/05/2009 10:33:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: AmericanVictory

I think that was the defense Bob Bauer, now replacing Greg as the W.H. attorney???


95 posted on 12/05/2009 10:37:58 PM PST by danamco
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To: Drew68
Abstract (short form) BCs with a raised seal from all states except California and Texas are acceptable with the State Department as primary evidence of U.S. citizenship for passport purposes. Pretty sure if you can use it for a passport, you can play little league with it as well.

While that may be true, one need only be a citizen to play (in most) little leagues, or to get a passport. Natural born citizen is more than just citizen, and the short form may or may not provide sufficient information to prove that. Add to the fact that Hawaiian ones at leas are easily forged, and you really need to see the original long form certificate, which also had more information, such as parent's birthplaces , to be sure of natural born status.

96 posted on 12/05/2009 10:38:25 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Vendome; LucyT

On another thread Buckhead has already pinged the lemmings and believe it or not, he is exiting about Leo Donofrio, hmmmm!!!


97 posted on 12/05/2009 10:52:23 PM PST by danamco
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To: danamco; LucyT

I meant Buckeye!!!


98 posted on 12/05/2009 11:01:38 PM PST by danamco
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To: Danae

An interesting 12/02/09 FR post by syc1959 titled “Prove it to yourself the Obama BC is forged – So easy ANYONE can do it” is linked below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2399663/posts


99 posted on 12/06/2009 5:39:07 AM PST by WhizCodger (Katie - Bar the door, then text my reply of "F U" to the NWO!)
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To: Danae

I find it hard to believe that the supreme court will continue to punt this down the road. I guess they think it may cause civil war, which is exactly why they should have taken it up before the election. This P.C. crap is going to get us killed or living under tyranny...


100 posted on 12/06/2009 6:28:18 AM PST by Rocketwolf68 (Bring back the crusades)
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