Skip to comments.Cars, quo warranto, and Obama (Donofrio update)
Posted on 12/05/2009 10:43:07 AM PST by Danae
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They gave a legal response to Leo Donofrio stating statutorily that he was denied access to the documents dating from within days of Obama’s birth, Leo asked the question VERY specifically. If the documents did not exist, they would have said the documents did not exist. Leo had it online before shutting down his blog, and he also told me that personally through email.
Yes they did and yes he had that on his website. Subsequently, as he reported, they seemed to equivocate. I don’t recall that in saying that they had documents about the birth that they gave any time frame and I don’t believe that they ever have given any time frame such as “witnin days.” Further, under the territorial act in effect, the Vital Statistics Act of 1957, there would be no reliability to such a statement unless the actual documentation could be checked.
They would not reply as they did if they were not there. Believe me, getting them to admit that statutory denial was not easy. Leo had quite the back and forth with them on it, he really had to pin them down and call them on the parsing of their language. I know, I have seen at least some of the emails involved.
If you are born on American soil & both parents are citizens at the time of your birth, you are a natural born citizen. If If born on American soil & neither, or only one is a citizen, you are a dual citizen. If you are born on foreign soil and one or both parents in a citizen, you are a dual citizen.
The Constitution was drafted by men with a common understanding of the term “natural born citizen” as it was written into the Constitution. It would have been inconceivable to them that 200+ years later the term would be the subject of such enormous debate and misunderstanding.
The Framers, having been born (one and all) British subjects, understood they were not themselves “natural born” citizens of the United States, nor was it possible for anyone alive and of age at the time of the Constitution’s adoption, to be president under the ‘natural born citizen,’ requirement; thus they exempted themselves and their contemporaries, all newly minted citizens of the United States. The other Constitutional offices do not require the holder to be a “natural born citizen,” but merely a “citizen.”
The Supreme Court has never defined the term “natural born.” Clarification of that term is sought in various of the ‘eligibility’ suits. If, as many believe, the Framers’ understanding and intent was that a ‘natural born citizen’ was the child of two American citizens (especially the father) at the time of birth, then Obama does not qualify under the Constitution to be President of the United States. The Founders’ common knowledge and understanding of Vattel’s Law of Nations could well lead to that conclusion.
United States Constitution:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
“No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
Article I, Section 2, Clause 2:
“No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.”
Article I, Section 3, Clause 3:
“No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.”
I reviewed all of them and they refused,according to him, to obey the Hawaii state version of the Freedom of Information Act. His blog said that there was an administrative appeal by another man he called, I believe, Kevin and now his blog has gone dark so it is not clear what has happened. It seemed like a promising avenue of inquiry. It is unfortunate that he has not followed through and let us know what has happened.
He posted that they replied with being denied access to the documents. Meaning that they have them. I wish you would listen to what I am saying.
I don’t disagree that they have documents but I disagree with the notion that any thing of substance has been revealed abouit what those documents say.
However, this vital record could be a report of a home birth. A home birth could easily have been a fraudulent report to hide a foreign birth in an attempt to gain US citizenship for BHO II.
I respect and support your dedication to the NBC two-US-citizen-parent approach, but I view you as consistently disregarding and diminishing potential evidence out-of-hand that leaves open the possibility that Obama was born outside the US, such as a home birth report in HI.
So far Obama has been totally open about and gotten away with declaring that his father was not a US citizen including the obviously erroneous Indiana State Appeals Court ruling. Federal courts may be cowards on this issue as well, but not if Obama was born in Kenya.
The desperate and expensive attempts by Obama to continue to hide his original HI “vital records” is the best indication that something in the record points to extreme damage to his political career such as opening the door to a foreign birth.
In my view the Chrysler dealer's quo warranto action will force discovery of the HI vital records and if those records open the door to a foreign birth in any way, then we will have something that can buttress other evidence of foreign birth.
I am not discounting the possiblity that he was born outside the United States. Only that it is impossible to prove with out a court order releasing the documents and or a court case in Hawaii, and unless you have the money to go there and fight that battle, its not happening right now. I don’t have that money.
Until a Court Order forces the release its a dead end for now. Alternatively, start your own UIPA requests in Hawaii and then take it to a court in Oahu and demand the release of the documents. Thats the only way it is going to happen.
Do I like that? No, I don’t. But there is also nothing I can do about it.
Leo has a real hot-potato on his hands with Quo Warranto in D.C. no matter WHAT the Hawaiian documents say, that Quo Warranto would still have to happen, because frankly even if he was born in Kenya or on the moon, this congress is not going to impeach him. It is possible that the process of Quo Warrento may force the release of his Hawaiian documents, and I hope that is the case. That being said, if his long form says he was born at a given address, it is still a valid Hawaiian birth certificate and has legal weight. It would take a full on investigation by the Department of Justice, into the processes in Hawaii to even come close to proving that Obama was born somewhere else. Do you see Eric Holder appointing a special prosecutor to look into that? No, I don’t either.
Out best hope of getting this British citizen out of the people’s house is Quo Warranto.
Which would bring into play all the education he recieved as a student from out of the country. He basically got a free ride as a foreign student at Occidental. And just how did he pay for his college education? His parents were either out of the country, or when in country, very low paid Govt Employees. It is my opinion that he got foreign student scolarships which were more plentiful than academic scolarship for US students. Hence his sealing of school documents. If Frank Marshall were his father, he would have committed fraud, also not something he would like known.
Both could be true. I would not doubt the foreign scholarship thing. It would answer a lot of questions!
I agree that Leo's quo warranto may be the best and possibly only way to compel discovery of Obama’s HI vital records, prove up his NBC status, and that the courts could then circumvent Congress to declare Obama ineligible if warranted.
I believe that Congress would impeach Obama if it were proved that he intentionally concealed knowledge that he was born in Kenya or elsewhere outside the US.
I believe that your NBC non-citizen father scenario may also require arduous investigation into whether Kezia’s marriage to BHO Sr made the Dunham-Obama marriage bigamous thus preventing dual citizenship from passing to BHO II under the 1948 BNA.
Regardless of all failed law suits, - and the F.R. troll lemmings attempts, - this is not going away, toooo many millions are now aware of the Constitutional problem/crisis!!
One way or another the truth will come out, and that is a Biblical promise!!!
I think that would change your present status, and if you do, you cannot run for the office of President
Sarah mentioning it means people in the GOP know. Ditto Natan Deal plus I think Inhofe knows. Obama saying he might be a one-term means he knows.
Leo and some of the youngsters doing research with him have done a great job.
Just out of curiousity what is the Biblical promise? That the truth finally comes out? I sure hope so.
Leo may have it on the back burner and may be keeping quiet. They could incorporate the document demand of HI in the lawsuit. LEO may also go down the path of his father being a British subject.
Too many non-U.S. newspapers and othere sources mentioned Kenyan born senator when he won in the Senate and people in Africa and outside of America know he was born in Kenya.
Here is the dirty little secret according to Leo!
It didn't expire in 1982, it expired 1984, and in 1983 the BNA kicked in and made him a permanent British citizen, even today as we speak, He has voting rights in the U.K.!!
So as HE says he is a citizen of the WORLD, comes pretty close, because U.K. is also member of E.U.!!!
Also, WHY was it then so necessary to provide a special Senate resolution for McLame???
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