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Tiger Woods, the $8-an-hour diner waitress and the deal that kept their affair out of the news
Daily Mail ^ | 12/5/09 | Sharon Churcher

Posted on 12/05/2009 5:41:58 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: fightinJAG
I suspect these skanks have LOTS more on Tiger than just skankiness. Such as, maybe, drug use, transporting prostitutes across state lines (in his private jet) and so on. It takes money to shut that stuff up.

So much more will come out about Tiger. The tabloids are relentless, unlike the sports media. Now that this happened, the paparazzi will follow his every move. They even follow people like Jon Gosselin. Remember how they followed John Edwards until they caught him red-handed.

151 posted on 12/05/2009 7:53:56 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: ottbmare

O’s?


152 posted on 12/05/2009 7:55:00 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: Dr. Scarpetta; Fiddlstix; flaglady47; seenenuf; seekthetruth; Chigirl 26; oswegodeee; Bizzy Bugz
MEMORABLE ROMANTIC QUOTES IN MOVIE HISTORY

Rick (Bogey) to Ilsa (Ingrid): "We'll always have Paris." Setting: Casablanca.

Jerry (Paul Henreid) to Charlotte (Bette Davis). Setting: Cruise ship on high seas. "Oh, Jerry, don't let's ask for the moon. We have the stars."

Tiger (golfer) to Mindy (waitress): "This is Tige. Will you meet me at the Blue Martini?" Setting: Orlando.

Leni

153 posted on 12/05/2009 7:56:18 PM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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To: ottbmare
Sorry, Tiger WOods is an exception to your myth. So is Burlesconni of Italy. So was Don Juan. Nothing I can do about it, and its not my fault!

Some men are just too much man for one woman, contrary to popular modern feminist myth. And their examples are legion throughout history. And its not my fault!

LOL.

154 posted on 12/05/2009 7:56:55 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Hey Doc, maybe there were some girls he came on to but they said “No way! You’re married”.

Could there have been any like that? Or did every single one just think of a chance with a filthy rich celebrity?


155 posted on 12/05/2009 7:57:16 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: word_warrior_bob

I am expecting serious drug abuse allegations any moment now.


156 posted on 12/05/2009 7:58:12 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Echo4C

I’ll answer you point by point.

1. Practicing and hitting up to 1000 balls a day is VERY demanding, I’ve done it. PED’s allow you to do it all the time and recover much quicker than you normally would. These drugs have a very beneficial effect in any sport/activity you apply them to. To say they’re not effective is to deny reality, like the lame argument that they didn’t help Bonds/Sosa/McGwire hit a baseball, they sure as hell did. Bonds for instance instead of the natural decline in his later years, he became Superman. He lived the dream of having the brain loaded with all the experience and the fast twitch muscle response he had at 25, even better. Better muscles than ever, combined with his experience and skill instead of a guy who hit 30-35 homers he hits 73 in his late 30’s.

2. You say he’s increased significantly in size, key word SIGNIFICANT, he changed his whole body structure, just like Bonds. Both beanpoles, both turned into monsters. It’s not just about distance, it’s about having better muscles, being able to practice and train longer, etc. It’s also about being able to swing at 80% and get the same distance you had when swinging 90%, being stronger is better, all day, every time, it’s an advantage. I don’t recall him having back problems, I don’t recall that being the reason for the swing change, regardless carrying around all that extra mass and doing all that extra work can lead to other injuries, oh I don’t know like a knee injury.

3. Everything you typed in number 3 is largely MYTH, old wives tales and common excuses for drug users. There are millions of guys who do everything right training wise, nutrition wise, supplement wise, rest wise. There’s plenty of guys, including myself who have worked just as hard or harder than Tiger Woods. The guys whose “supplements” include HGH and/or steroids look like Tiger Woods and Barry Bonds, guys can work twice as hard as those guys and not use drugs and never get the “results” those 2 got.

4. These drug tests are called “IQ Tests” for a reason, you have to be an idiot to get caught. Any pro athlete with the “best” trainers, etc., will always say TEST ME!, that’s why they have the “best”. If not for the BALCO scandal we would still have a bunch of these obvious dopers lying about it. The drug makers are ALWAYS ahead of the drug testers, dummies or guys who make a mistake get caught. The NFL has had “comprehensive” testing for years, the only “list” that would shock me would be the guys NOT using.

5. It’s not hard to believe if you know what to look for. I’m lucky that I know people involved in this area of study, people who regularly show up on TV, are consulted by the NFL and published in the New England Journal of Medicine. Tiger doesn’t even pass the eyeball test, way, way, way, too much mass on his former stick-figure frame, Large, thick, rounded muscles on a beanpole frame that would never support those large, thick, rounded muscles without drugs even if he never played golf and spent every moment working on his body, which with his very busy social schedule he obviously does not do, lol.

Eventually this will play out like Bonds, watch. The “it’s not true unless I see him injecting a Wile E. Coyote sized syringe with ACME STEROIDS on it” will always defend the users. What I’m saying isn’t something that’s shocking, plenty of guys in the know think he’s a user. Tiger is so arrogant he got a little carried away, just like in his personal life. He could have cheated (with the drugs) a lot less and had more plausible denial. He got so jacked and enjoyed showing it off so much and used it as intimidation that it was obvious. He may be fooling a lot of people, but he’s not fooling me. If we had a magic truth serum I would bet everything I own on it, and never break a sweat waiting for the results.


157 posted on 12/05/2009 7:58:25 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: uncbob

Actually, most people I know, like myself, didn’t start lifting weights until their mid-20s. When I was young, I was stupid and didn’t think I needed to because I was strong and in good shape without doing anything. As I got older, I wizened up and started lifting. I wish I knew then what I know now.

His knee problems are caused by his swing. Have you ever seen his swing in slow motion compared to other golfers? The amount of torque he puts on his left knee is ridiculous. Also, it’s not so much that steroids weaken ligaments as they make the muscles stronger, causing an imbalance, and making the person think they are more powerful than their body is.


158 posted on 12/05/2009 7:59:06 PM PST by Echo4C
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To: goseminoles
O’s?

Orgasms.

159 posted on 12/05/2009 8:01:29 PM PST by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: Echo4C
"I’m not saying it’s impossible, just that it’s hard to believe. The benefits a golfer would get from drugs are not enough to outweigh the risk of getting caught. If you think it’s bad with the adultery right now, drugs would destroy his career."

No American professional sport (and I believe college as well) tests for hGH. Not one. Only sports that are under the umbrella of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) test for HGH, principally because for an accurate and reliable hGH test, blood must be drawn on multiple days, possibly at different times throughout the year.

I read several months ago that a simpler test with equal reliability is in the testing stages, but has yet to be mass-produced. If such a test will be adopted by America's professional sports, remains to be seen, FWIW.

160 posted on 12/05/2009 8:02:08 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: fightinJAG; uncbob; Frantzie

Ping to post 157


161 posted on 12/05/2009 8:02:41 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Echo4C

People on roids are more injury prone the muscles get too strong for the ligaments


162 posted on 12/05/2009 8:04:53 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Candor7
I laugh though at how unkind people can be at other’s tragedy.Obviously most have never had tragedy in their own lives, or else they would not be that way in relation to the issue.

I think you're dead wrong here.

First, most people, if not everyone, has experienced tragedy, loss, grief, embarrassment and so on at some level. The very reason people react so strongly to revelations such as those surrounding Tiger is that they have, indeed, suffered themselves (either as the victim or the perpetrator of sorrow) and they rise up to defend against this occurring to others. This, identifying and caring for the *innocents,* is a very human response.

Secondly, to condemn publicly a public figure's actions can never be "unkind." I think, rather, it's "unkind" to the innocents and society as a whole to remain silent when this type of outrage occurs.

163 posted on 12/05/2009 8:05:19 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Theodore R.

“Good point, the American people’s wants are their needs.”

But that wasn’t my point - there is a very big difference between what we want and what we need. We need food, shelter, and a few other basics - the rest we want but can live without.


164 posted on 12/05/2009 8:06:13 PM PST by smalltownslick
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To: Captain Peter Blood
I am just amazed at the absolute vitriol spewed forth rather than civilized, logical, respectful criticism.

I'm not getting your point.

Is calling a scum a scum "absolute vitriol"?

Is calling a scum a scum uncivilized, illogical, and disrespectful?

Help me out here!

165 posted on 12/05/2009 8:07:09 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: word_warrior_bob
The NFL has had “comprehensive” testing for years, the only “list” that would shock me would be the guys NOT using.

The running backs and linebackers make the Mr Americas from the 50s look small and those guys trained their butts off full time
166 posted on 12/05/2009 8:07:45 PM PST by uncbob
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To: word_warrior_bob

167 posted on 12/05/2009 8:09:55 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: OldDeckHand

For all intents and purposes HGH is “legal” in pro sports, good luck trying to test for it as it stands right now. When baseball “banned” steroids, you saw some guys shrink, some didn’t. I think some guys just stopped because their bodies were so obvious that they just didn’t want the scrutiny. Heavy HGH use can have some bad side effects, smaller doses can be great.

They all tell the same lame lies too, it’s funny. A-Rod, Manny, all of them, their excuses are a joke to me, they know exactly what they were doing. I love the excuses of Bonds and other guys that it was an accident, they didn’t know what they were being injected with, thought it was a B-12 shot. They’re all the equivalent of the dog ate my homework. Yeah, I’m making 20 Million a year with this body, just shoot me up with any old thing, lol.


168 posted on 12/05/2009 8:10:56 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: fightinJAG
"And what about the potential for passing HIV to the children during birth?"

That's a good point. I think, however, that it's standard practice of care to do an HIV screen for mother's delivering in the hospital. I could be wrong. I'm not a physician, but I believe I've read that. Hopefully the kids are safe.

If you're interested, there's some fascinating information at CDC about HIV transmission in utero. It's quite sobering.

Detecting and treating HIV infection early can make a big difference in the health of the baby.

169 posted on 12/05/2009 8:11:14 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: Candor7
Tiger WOods is an exception to your myth. So is Burlesconni of Italy. So was Don Juan. Nothing I can do about it, and its not my fault! Some men are just too much man for one woman, contrary to popular modern feminist myth. And their examples are legion throughout history. And its not my fault!

What makes you think so? Did you see a statement from a physician stating that no one woman could keep him from being in a state of continual sexual frustration? Or that he "needs" an unbelievable amount of sex in order to live comfortably? I doubt that. We have never had any reports that he had sex more than once or twice a day, a frequency his wife or any other woman could have provided him with sans difficulty. What he did was to pick up women who appealed to him from time to time instead of requiring six women a day.

There is no evidence that Woods was anything other than a narcissistic horndog. That level of selfishness and risk-taking suggests the need for psychotherapy, not sex. Your contention that he's different and special and somehow exempt from a moral requirement to remain faithful to his wife makes one wonder if you have embraced a troublingly conditional system of morality.

170 posted on 12/05/2009 8:11:18 PM PST by ottbmare (I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.)
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To: fightinJAG

Good points.


171 posted on 12/05/2009 8:12:39 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: Echo4C

I haven’t seen anything about PE drugs yet, but one of the skanks said she and Tige used Ambien together (for recreational purposes);

Tige told the police who responded to the accident that he had had a “pain pill” beforehand;

Tige’s pinball trajectory driving was more akin to DUI driving than anger-driving;

The neighbors observed Tige lying in the road after the accident and he was, um, SNORING;

One of the skanks said Tige had her hire bunches of prostitutes to fly on Tige’s private jet and party — implying, at the least, drug use.

And if the potential drug use allegations, and their criminal and sport sequelae, don’t materialize, there are still the matters of potential criminal conduct in transporting prostitutes across state lines, owning (in effect) a brothel or other criminal enterprise, etc.

Ole Tige is not paying these women to shut up about the nasty. There’s much more here, I’d say. Whether it will be revealed, depends.


172 posted on 12/05/2009 8:14:03 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: ottbmare

She is his wife, not mine, and nor am I married to you either! LOL.

Thats not conditional morality, its an clear understanding of duty.


173 posted on 12/05/2009 8:16:37 PM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: word_warrior_bob

“...He may be fooling a lot of people, but he’s not fooling me. If we had a magic truth serum I would bet everything I own on it, and never break a sweat waiting for the results...”

Point by point you are very persuasive. However I’m a bit saddened by how prolific such drug use has become. Just how dangerous is such use in your opinon at the “cheated a lot less level” and the “arrogant” level?


174 posted on 12/05/2009 8:21:54 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Candor7
Iam not a tiger fan. I haven;t watch a sports program for over 15 years. I have seen enough tragedy ( altough not of this partuicular brand)in my life to know what its like, and this thing with Tiger and Elin is a trgaedy. I cannot glorify in the suffering of others or castigate others who are deeply suffering.

And folks should know better than to do so.Its not rationalization.

Good luck with your prejudices, we all have them, but this is not one I happen to have.

You know, I completely understand that you have your reasons for not wanting to "denigrate" Tiger Woods.

However, you are not far from turning around and doing to others on this thread what you supposedly abhor.

People are simply expressing their strong moral and social disapproval of Tiger's conduct. Yet you accuse them of "glorifying in the suffering of others" and "castigating" (I take it, in your view, wrongly) those who are deeply suffering. You say they are "rationalizing" that it's proper to strongly condemn Tiger's conduct.

Worst of all, and way too PC in my book, You call their expressions of their moral outrage "prejudicies."

Sorry. I think that's going too far.

If you want to counsel "lighten up," fine! That's your right and your advice may be appropriate and well-taken. But stop there.

175 posted on 12/05/2009 8:25:08 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Tired of Taxes

I agree. A lot of White women have been following Brit and Paris into the moral crapper. We should not be respectful of this kind of behavior - home wreckers.


176 posted on 12/05/2009 8:26:10 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: randita

Well said.


177 posted on 12/05/2009 8:27:44 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: aruanan
Tiger’s a piker compared to pro-basketball players.

And your point is?

178 posted on 12/05/2009 8:29:29 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: word_warrior_bob

And I’ll refute you, point-by-point.

1. While hitting that many balls is demanding at first, your body quickly adjusts (the soreness does go away). Tiger was built to play golf since he was a little kid, and he’s not exactly an old man at 33. I say this as someone who regularly hits hundreds of balls a day in the summer (and would hit more, if I had more money).

2. Significant is relative. Wikipedia lists him at 6’1” and 185. That’s probably not more than 40 pounds above what he weighed when he turned pro. If that’s even close to accurate, I don’t see what the big deal is here. I’m 5’9” and weigh about 180. 10 years ago (a few years after Tiger turned pro) I weighed 140 pounds when I graduated from MCRD Parris Island. Most of what I’ve put on since then has been muscle, and I don’t do any drugs. You’re right in that he didn’t have back problems, he changed his swing with Butch Harmon so that he wouldn’t have back problems in the future, as his reckless swing style back then would have led to. If Tiger is using supplements that help with recovery, as you claim, instead of just ones for strength, then half the tour is. Vijay is known as one of the hardest working guys on tour, possibly harder than Tiger.

3. I’m sorry, Tiger Woods looks nothing like Barry Bonds. Have you ever seen Tiger up close in person? I have, he was less than 10 feet away from me at his tournament here in DC a few years ago. He’s not all that impressive in person, he just looks like a regular guy you’d see who works out a lot in the gym. I’ve also seen multiple NFL players up close, and while some of them were imposing, many of them just looked like Tiger Woods - average weight lifters. 6’1” and 185 pounds does not impress me. I also doubt you train as hard as Tiger.

4. It’s not just the drug testing. It’s the fact that drug purchases can be tracked. The BALCO scandal is a perfect example of this, how many guys were outed in that because their names were on lists, not because they tested positive? The chance of Tiger or one of his trainers getting caught is too high to make it beneficial.

5. Actually, I do know what to look for, as I’m quite a gym rat and have known people who used gear. Tiger does not show the telltale signs of using, like gynecomastia. If you could see him in person like I have, and have spent a lot of time in gyms like I have, you wouldn’t be nearly as impressed with his size. Large, thick, rounded muscles aren’t terribly difficult to get when you lift weights properly and eat properly. Just because he was skinny (like I was when I was younger) doesn’t mean his bones won’t support the weight. In fact, it’s the skinny ones that usually have an easier time. We can eat a lot of junk food that fat people can’t and still put on muscle.


179 posted on 12/05/2009 8:29:40 PM PST by Echo4C
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To: Candor7

That photo upthread strikes me as a very happy man.

Maybe he just signed the pre-nups with the wrong girl, and
married her.

Then maybe he discovered his handlers were wrong, and fell in love with someone more like him.

Naturally, further Christmases and Easters will be awkward, but that’s the billionaire world.


180 posted on 12/05/2009 8:31:03 PM PST by txhurl (White House crashers getting by $$ gives me HOPE! For a change)
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To: Candor7

Moral crimes get punished by moral and social opprobrium. Which is what is happening here.


181 posted on 12/05/2009 8:31:03 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Candor7
Its a sad comment on the state of America.

No. The fact that many are still willing to speak out against sleaze such as this is a rather good comment on the state of America.

182 posted on 12/05/2009 8:32:11 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Echo4C; uncbob; fightinJAG

Any Questions?

183 posted on 12/05/2009 8:33:42 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

And the tabloids’ job just keeps getting easier with texts, email, voicemail, etc. Probably some video along the way as well.

Maybe there will be some kind of reality show where all of Tige’s women compete for a payoff of some sort.


184 posted on 12/05/2009 8:34:26 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: fightinJAG

If I recall correctly, Tiger has a prescription for that Ambien. He’s a known insomniac (claims he sleeps four hours a night). The talk of pain pills is, from what I understand, back when he had knee surgery.

I’m not defending Tiger here, one of my earlier posts called him a sociopath. I just think it’s ridiculous that people automatically assume he’s using steroids because he looks big on TV. I know dudes in the gym who are way more impressive than him and don’t do gear.


185 posted on 12/05/2009 8:36:23 PM PST by Echo4C
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To: word_warrior_bob

Steroids can also lead to, oh, hypersexuality.


186 posted on 12/05/2009 8:38:35 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: txhurl
Then maybe he discovered his handlers were wrong, and fell in love with someone more like him.

The only problem is that so far we're counting about 'SIX' someones.

187 posted on 12/05/2009 8:39:33 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: word_warrior_bob

Yea, you want to see a before and after of me back then and now? Because the change is about as big in Tiger as it is in me, and I don’t use drugs. Seriously, if Tiger looks big to you then I hate to see what you look like.


188 posted on 12/05/2009 8:39:34 PM PST by Echo4C
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To: word_warrior_bob

Thanks for the ping. I had just finished reading your post in detail!


189 posted on 12/05/2009 8:40:24 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: Candor7

Concur with your remarks.


190 posted on 12/05/2009 8:41:01 PM PST by XHogPilot
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Ruh-roh.


191 posted on 12/05/2009 8:41:38 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: word_warrior_bob

He looks very skinny in the photo where he’s wearing the reddish shirt and tan slacks compared to the later photos.


192 posted on 12/05/2009 8:42:52 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: OldDeckHand

I think you’re right on the screening (at least I hope you’re right).

That said, since there sometime is a lag between HIV infection and seroconversion (when the virus is discernible by routine testing), I suppose there’s a window there for problems.

Also HIV is not the only STD that is transferrable during birth. The others can be even harder to detect, IIRC.

Thanks for the link!


193 posted on 12/05/2009 8:44:14 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: fightinJAG

Actually, quite the opposite. The incredible increase in testosterone in the body from steroids generally results in atrophy in the testes (since the body no longer needs to produce its own test) and an increase in estrogen, as the body attempts to balance all that test. This increase in estrogen is why a lot of guys who use steroids develop gynecomastia (”man boobs”). From what I understand it’s terrible when coming off a cycle, the sex drive generally disappears for a while.


194 posted on 12/05/2009 8:44:54 PM PST by Echo4C
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To: ottbmare

Yes! What ottbmare said!


195 posted on 12/05/2009 8:45:14 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: fightinJAG
And the tabloids’ job just keeps getting easier with texts, email, voicemail, etc.

I'd like to see the tabloids expose global warming & the health bill...:)

196 posted on 12/05/2009 8:45:25 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: apocalypto

Why, thank you!


197 posted on 12/05/2009 8:45:37 PM PST by fightinJAG (Mr. President: Why did you appoint a bunch of Communists to your Administration?)
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To: BelleAl

Elin should take the kids AND that beautiful Border Collie! LOL!


198 posted on 12/05/2009 8:47:16 PM PST by Enough_Deceit (Proud Mama of a US Marine and a US Soldier Bitterly Hanging On to Her Guns and Religion. Ooorahh!)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Well, yes, but we have love with dogs and babies, pretty convincing pic.

I’m not saying there aren’t 12 more babies and 12 more dogs out there..... who knows? He might have some lucrative Purina and Huggies endorsements to consider.

I sense a missing-mom complex: the galaxial pressures of being Tiger probably causes this needing a comforter activity.

Not that I’m excusing his mis-behavior, but the evidence is telling us that Tiger is a REALLY NICE guy.

But my bet is he’ll wind up with the waitress.


199 posted on 12/05/2009 8:50:10 PM PST by txhurl (White House crashers getting by $$ gives me HOPE! For a change)
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To: fightinJAG
Tiger’s a piker compared to pro-basketball players.

And your point is?


The reaction reveals more about those who are shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, about his behavior than it does about him. The idol of Tiger has been shown to have both clay feet and putter. Equally amazing is that he apparently wasn't smart enough to realize the extent to which his marketability wasn't due to his expertise as a golfer but to public perception of him as a truly nice and decent family guy. He didn't seem to realize that whereas he could lose a tournament here and there and it wouldn't diminish his public appeal, being seen as a smut puppy would turn his gold to rust.
200 posted on 12/05/2009 8:52:00 PM PST by aruanan
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