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Storms forecast for fire-scarred area
LA Daily News ^ | 12-5-2009

Posted on 12/05/2009 7:32:20 PM PST by lainie

LA CANADA FLINTRIDGE — Two storms appeared to be on course Friday to hit Southern California next week with potentially heavy rainfall that could unleash floods of mud and debris-laden water from wildfire burn areas into adjacent communities.

The National Weather Service said the exact tracks of the storms and rainfall amounts were still uncertain, but it was likely that rain would fall over the region on Monday and possibly through the week until Friday. There was a possibility showers could arrive as early as Sunday night, the NWS said.

A major area of concern is the string of Los Angeles suburbs below the south face of the steep San Gabriel Mountains, where the Station Fire burned away 250 square miles of forest vegetation during the summer and destroyed 89 of some 7,000 homes it threatened.

The U.S. Geological Survey has warned that storms could unleash huge flows of water laden with mud, rocks and other debris deep into the communities.

Authorities have installed concrete barriers and sandbags to protect homes, and cleared accumulated debris from flood-control catch basins. The defenses were given a small test last month when a brief, unexpected downpour sent mud coursing down slopes in La Canada Flintridge.

La Canada Flintridge posted the daily chances of rain through the next week on a "Potential Mudslide Events" section of the city's Web site, and neighboring Glendale announced the city is ready for potential flooding.

City spokesman Ritch Wells said in a statement that preparations that began after the fire were continuing and included installation of cameras so officials can monitor any debris flows.

The first precipitation is expected from a cold storm that originated over Canada and may also bring heavy snow to the mountains, forecasters said.

The second storm may arrive Wednesday and last through Friday as the jet stream tracks across Southern California, bringing moisture from the tropical west Pacific, the NWS said.

"This second storm could bring widespread heavy rainfall," the NWS said.

The private forecasting company AccuWeather.com said the first storm is likely to deliver a half-inch to 1 inch of rain in Southern California, while the second storm could drop amounts ranging from 1 inches to 4 inches. But AccuWeather warned that up to four times that much precipitation could fall on some west- and south-facing slopes of the mountains from the central coast down to Southern California.

"If these model projections are even close to being right, we are staring straight in the face of widespread flooding problems," AccuWeather said in a release.

Wildfires this year have also burned many other areas of Southern California, including Santa Barbara and Ventura counties to the northwest of Los Angeles, and in the inland region to the east. Many areas are also still denuded from fires in previous years.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; flood; station; stormwatch; weather
As a result...there is a very real concern for flooding near the
station and Morris burn areas...and a Flash Flood Watch may be needed. Will hold off issuing this until either tonight or tomorrows shift...
but all signs currently point to yes for this need.

Southwest California area forecast discussion...update 340 PM PST Sat Dec 5 2009

1 posted on 12/05/2009 7:32:23 PM PST by lainie
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; NormsRevenge; ErnBatavia; bd476; BurbankKarl

Here we go.


2 posted on 12/05/2009 7:34:16 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie
Is this part of CA that was set ablaze by arsonist? If so could they not be charged for mud slide damage from lack of trees.
3 posted on 12/05/2009 7:37:25 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: lainie
Click on this Site and scroll down and place the curser to the left of blue timeline and scroll to the right to see the weather develop...
4 posted on 12/05/2009 8:01:23 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: lainie

5 posted on 12/05/2009 8:05:38 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: lainie

Yup. looks like El Nino is about ready to pop this week .. or is getting ready to soon. Here’s hoping it is slow and not gullywashers when it gets here.

They are talking snow showers and ?? in the vineyards and possibly here in Sillycon Valley as well possibly..


6 posted on 12/05/2009 8:10:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: tubebender

that’s pretty sweet!


7 posted on 12/05/2009 8:10:20 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Yeah that fire was caused by an arsonist, heck most of the fires here in LA were caused by some idiot arsonist. It has been really cold here lately(Damn global warming LOL) I am looking forward to the rain, we do need it, but the burn areas dont


8 posted on 12/05/2009 8:14:06 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I have never understood their logic of starting a huge fire to drive people out of an area.
9 posted on 12/05/2009 8:17:58 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: NormsRevenge
It is down to 35 here in Eureka and I believe the all time record low for this day is 31. It looks like So-Cal will get much more rain than Humboldt county and we are 30% (3”) short of normal already...
10 posted on 12/05/2009 8:37:17 PM PST by tubebender (Some minds are like concrete Thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: tubebender; NormsRevenge

I just saw frost & hard freeze warnings for Sacramento and San Joaquin valleys. brrr!


11 posted on 12/05/2009 9:20:27 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: guitarplayer1953; Sarah Barracuda

One kid started the Azusa fire, and some immigrant started another...but the BIG STATION FIRE hasnt been solved. The USFS stated it was “human caused” but retracted that statement later.


12 posted on 12/05/2009 11:43:17 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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From the Las Vegas forecast discussion

For the rest of southern Nevada...northwest Arizona...and southeast
California...gusty south winds will develop Sunday afternoon and 
continue through Monday night across much of the area. Skies will
continue to clear across the south with few-scattered clouds around 8k-12k 
feet developing across the north over the next few hours. A winter 
storm system will bring impacts to the area Monday and Monday night. 
In addition to the strong gusty winds mentioned above...ceilings 
could fall below 3k feet and visibility below 4sm at times in 
moderate rain and snow. 
&& 

13 posted on 12/06/2009 12:13:00 AM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie

They’re giving us a 70 percent chance of spritz here in the Coachella Valley desert for Monday. We’re ready - nothing since a 10 minute shower back in August.


14 posted on 12/06/2009 5:36:19 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama is a DIC....... Ditherer-in-Chief)
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To: lainie

Thanks,...gonna get cold too.


15 posted on 12/06/2009 7:18:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: lainie; All; A CA Guy; Yaelle; Brad's Gramma; pollywog; NormsRevenge; ErnBatavia; bd476
From Accuweather:

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA

459 AM PST SUN DEC 6 2009

A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL MOVE ACROSS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA MONDAY INTO
TUESDAY...BRINGING...

* RAIN...HEAVY AT TIMES...WITH LOCAL URBAN AND SMALL STREAM
FLOODING POSSIBLE WEST OF THE MOUNTAINS...

* A LOT OF MOUNTAIN SNOW ABOVE 4000 FEET...WITH A WINTER STORM WATCH
IN EFFECT FOR THE SAN BERNARDINO AND RIVERSIDE COUNTY MOUNTAINS
FROM MONDAY MORNING THROUGH LATE MONDAY NIGHT...

* STRONG SOUTH TO WEST WINDS...PARTICULARLY IN THE MOUNTAINS AND
DESERTS WHERE 60 MPH GUSTS ARE POSSIBLE...

* SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS FOR WINDS AND STEEP SEAS IN THE
INNER AND OUTER WATERS FROM MID MORNING MONDAY THROUGH MID
MORNING TUESDAY...

* ABOVE NORMAL SURF AT THE BEACHES LATE MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY
WITH SOME SETS WELL OVER 6 FEET.

A WARMER...WEAKER STORM WILL BRING LIGHTER AMOUNTS OF RAIN ON
THURSDAY. MOSTLY CLOUDY NEXT WEEKEND WITH CHANCES OF PRECIPITATION
AS A SYSTEM MOVES BY MOSTLY TO THE NORTH OF THE AREA.

16 posted on 12/06/2009 7:25:21 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; ErnBatavia
At LAT blog:

AccuWeather is predicting 3 to 4 inches of rain, but it’s likely that number will increase in the mountain areas, which could lead to mudslides and flooding in foothill communities near the burn areas from the Station fire.

Scientists with the U.S. Geological Survey identified Pacoima Canyon, Big Tujunga Canyon, the Arroyo Seco, the West Fork of the San Gabriel River and Devils Canyon as being most at risk of mudslides.

Under certain conditions, mud flows could occur as far south as Foothill Boulevard in La Cañada Flintridge and La Crescenta, federal scientists said in a report.

3 to 4 inches?

link

Ern, you don't sound very confident in the forecast ;)

17 posted on 12/06/2009 8:39:16 AM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Looks pretty grey and gloomy out there today..Pasadena looked dark about a hour ago!


18 posted on 12/06/2009 11:14:17 AM PST by pollywog ("Regime Change USA".... 2010-2012 ~~Let's Roll !!)
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Monday night into Tuesday will also be full of interest. In addition to 
the strong northerly winds...moisture will bank up on the northern 
mountains and foothills. With snow levels plummeting to fairly rare 
levels of 2000 feet and below...even the Antelope...slow and Cuyama 
valleys could wake up to a white Tuesday. Snow advisories may be 
needed for those areas.

wh wh whut?

19 posted on 12/06/2009 6:45:22 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: BurbankKarl

PC will kill us all.


20 posted on 12/06/2009 6:48:58 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: lainie; BurbankKarl

My fault. I had the evil SUV washed yesterday...

Karl? Didja see this? MY fault!!!!

;)


21 posted on 12/06/2009 7:25:47 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: lainie

I live in the foothills and got an update from the Modesto Bee...snow advisory for all the way down to below sea level.
We do not live in snow country but if this holds true it isn’t going to be pretty. People around here have no idea how to drive in snow. And in the valley?? What a mess that will be.


22 posted on 12/06/2009 7:32:33 PM PST by oldteen
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To: Brad's Gramma

I washed my car 2 weeks ago, and wouldnt you know, that great ash fall from the burn area landed on it by the next morning!


23 posted on 12/06/2009 7:56:19 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Brad's Gramma

I washed my car 2 weeks ago, and wouldnt you know, that great ash fall from the burn area landed on it by the next morning!


24 posted on 12/06/2009 7:56:23 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: oldteen

I saw a weather advisory that actually says ‘stock up on 48-72 hours’ worth of essentials and do not drive unless necessary’ for you guys. Stay home!!


25 posted on 12/06/2009 8:11:17 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie

I had no plans for all next week anyway..lol. If I run out of milk or bread we’ll just do without. (Actually, we have only 1 large grocery store here and it would take me about 3 minutes to walk there. Would be MUCH safer than driving.)

Hopefully, we have no power outages.


26 posted on 12/06/2009 8:41:31 PM PST by oldteen
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To: oldteen

I hope not, too.

My forecast has changed to say that I could wake up to whiteness on Tuesday morning. (I’m in the desert near Edwards AFB). I’m gonna go bring in some firewood!


27 posted on 12/06/2009 8:43:53 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie

IT’S SNOWING. Has been for about an hour or more. Soft, light snowflakes. It’s a snow day for the kids in the neighborhood. They are all out having a snowball fight. Laughing and being kids. Haven’t seen them have this much fun in a very long time :0)


28 posted on 12/07/2009 8:49:50 AM PST by oldteen
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To: oldteen

Fantastic :)

We have rain. But I’ll take it. We need the moisture.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 11:22:02 AM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie

It has stopped. Right now it is so pretty and white but the sun is trying to come out so it will be melting and ugly in no time at all :( Oh well, they closed the highway and nobody could get anywhere so perhaps it’s best to stop early. But, it was a nice change.


30 posted on 12/07/2009 12:15:24 PM PST by oldteen
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To: oldteen; All

They just issued a mandatory evac order for 9 homes in the Station fire burn area


31 posted on 12/07/2009 1:41:09 PM PST by lainie (The US congress is full to the brim of absolutely disgusting thieves who deserve humiliating ouster.)
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To: lainie

Uh-oh...not good.


32 posted on 12/07/2009 3:05:55 PM PST by oldteen
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