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Huckabee Was Correct and America Needs Such Principled Leadership
American Daily Review ^ | 12/06/2009 | Yomin Postelnik

Posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:27 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik

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To: pandoraou812; TigersEye

Are you referring to the atheist nut? He went ballistic when someone I know found out he was ripping off cartoon dealers. I’ve let his post stay high when my name’s googled (instead of putting up a ton of youtube videos and the like) because his lunacy is entertaining. Btw, he’s a big Obama fan. No comparison to TigersEye who’s right on most things of importance.

I think you should look at the sequence of the thread. The first page basically reads like this:

me - statement

Tiger - You’re full of... and you have no ethics... and you lie. And here’s a bio!!!

me - answer, statements

Tiger - more of the same

After about 5 posts, I fight back. Tiger or not.

Disagree all of want. Call me a liar, moron and whatever else and no need to cry when I call his bluff.


251 posted on 12/09/2009 11:28:58 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

You are dishonest. That much is obvious. It is well documented on this thread.


252 posted on 12/09/2009 11:31:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

Buddy,

Aside from the fact that I can point to about 50 posts of yours in which “you don’t copy me” - something you virtually accuse me of being Satan himself for not doing for you. I already responded to your inane bio post. You had nothing of substance to add. So have a good night and find another hobby.


253 posted on 12/09/2009 11:32:29 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, and I eat kittens too. Would you like some recipes? I have a cooking show on the subject.


254 posted on 12/09/2009 11:34:09 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: TigersEye

Having fun?


255 posted on 12/09/2009 11:40:09 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
“you don’t copy me” - something you virtually accuse me of being Satan himself for not doing for you.

Being that no post of mine comes even close to that it is particularly ironic that you would accuse me of hysterics. LOLOL

You are one major Drama Queen.

So have a good night and find another hobby.

Why don't you find your arse? Use both hands. When you do you'll find your head.

256 posted on 12/09/2009 11:44:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

Keep going. Your poetry is most amusing and I appreciate rare talent.


257 posted on 12/09/2009 11:52:05 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; Brytani
Here is an excellent and highly relevant post from another thread.

One other damning fact against Huckabee is the truth to his lie that nobody from the court or law enforcement objected to Clemmons clemency petition. That is a flat out lie.

Clemmons clemency package has been released and available for all to read; I guess Huckabee didn’t think that would happen.

Clemmons original 108 year sentence had been restructured by Judge Marion G. Humphrey of the 6th Circuit Appeals Court of Arkansas.

The full court heard Clemmons appeal and upheld both the original sentence and the convictions. Judge Humphrey who has a reputation for being “soft on crime” held additional hearings on Clemmons sentence and restructured his original consecutive sentence to concurrent. This had the effect of turning 108 years into 60.

When Huckabee’s office received Clemmons clemency petition the ONLY person that was contacted and given a chance to object to clemency was Judge Humphrey. Although she had already reduced Clemmons sentence, she agreed with the clemency petition.

The original prosecutor, judge and officers involved were NOT contacted. When they learned that Clemmons was being considered for clemency they contacted the Governors office to object - their objections were ignored.

132 posted on Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:46:57 PM by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)

258 posted on 12/10/2009 12:02:09 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

That’s very different from what I’ve read.

Here’s a link that tells a very different story. Seems like someone with an agenda, or who can’t follow the facts, is distorting key aspects of what happened in an effort to smear - and I’m talking about whoever wrote that, not you.

Of note, the piece is generally anti-Huckabee, but shows the account given by that poster to be a total fabrication

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/us_huckabee_horton/2009/11/30/292351.html


259 posted on 12/10/2009 12:14:31 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: TigersEye
TE, I told you if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, then it is a duck. Don't let this duck bother you. I've been warned about him. Put him on ignore like I did. He just wants to harass you or as he tries to say debate you. lmao & a Quack Quack!
260 posted on 12/10/2009 12:16:10 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Clemmons also had the backing of Pulaski County Circuit Judge Marion Humphrey, who urged the board to grant clemency. Humphrey later presided over Clemmons' 2004 wedding in his court chambers.

That is the entirety of what is said about Judge Humphrey in the article you linked to. It really doesn't say much at all. It is even a little confusing, at least to me, because I thought it was the governor who granted clemencies and the board (I assume they mean 'parole board') that grants paroles.

It doesn't contradict the account I posted above in logic since Judge Humphrey could have previously restructured Clemmons' sentence AND urged the board (or the Governor, whichever) to grant clemency. Those two things are hardly mutually exclusive. It has been said that Judge Humphrey has a reputation of being soft on criminals.

Clemmons was among 1,033 people who were pardoned or had their sentences reduced during Huckabee's 10 1/2 years as governor, a number that far surpasses that of his three predecessors combined. Bill Clinton, Frank White and Jim Guy Tucker granted 507 clemencies in the 17 1/2 years they served. Beebe, Huckabee's Democratic successor, has issued 273 commutations and pardons since taking office in January 2007 — all but one of them were pardons after the completion of the inmates' prison terms.

I think that's the most interesting part of the article you linked and it's not an opinion it is apparently an objective fact.

261 posted on 12/10/2009 12:33:06 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: pandoraou812
I'm a duck hunter from way back. ;^)

Just have to wear the right kind of waders.

262 posted on 12/10/2009 12:35:09 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
From my post #258:

"When Huckabee’s office received Clemmons clemency petition the ONLY person that was contacted and given a chance to object to clemency was Judge Humphrey. Although she had already reduced Clemmons sentence, she agreed with the clemency petition."

That agrees with the account you linked to. I don't see any conflict between the two reports.

263 posted on 12/10/2009 12:39:16 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

I’ll say. Thick tall waders to get through the muck. I have no time for people who have no manners & are rude to fellow FReepers & call them names. The mods ought to review the harassment on this thread. I also don’t like Huckabee & I now blame him for pardoning Clemmons & I hope he never runs for any office. Before this thread I wasn’t so against Huckabee, I felt he made a mistake, but we are all human... Since all this nonsense I wouldn’t want him as a dog catcher either as he would let the rabid dogs loose. I would like to see a list of how many people he let out of jail early who have since committed more crimes.


264 posted on 12/10/2009 12:43:13 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: TigersEye
Rummey says you gotta take this guy with you.


265 posted on 12/10/2009 12:57:05 AM PST by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: shibumi

Good pic! lmao...


266 posted on 12/10/2009 10:43:38 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Here is the link to Clemmons Clemency petition, parole hearing from 2001 and 2004. Open up the damned things and read them.

I fully expect an apology to me after you’ve read the original documents, which is where the information I provided came from.

It is customary when talking about another Freeper to ping that Freepers, which you did not do.

Here’s the link, I expect your apology shortly.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/11/30/2010388798.pdf


267 posted on 12/10/2009 6:22:35 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: TigersEye

Thank you for pinging me on this.


268 posted on 12/10/2009 6:24:23 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani

You’re welcome and thank you for posting the information.


269 posted on 12/10/2009 7:51:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

If you don’t see the difference between the outlandish “failed to notify corrections staff and the like” vs. a he said he said with the prosecutor who claims that sometimes clemency consideration notices didn’t get to him and believes this to be the case with Clemmons, then I can’t really help you.

Ping Brytani yourself as you’re only on here to stir up trouble.


270 posted on 12/11/2009 7:07:40 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Brytani

See my last post to TigerEyes. Then go over this thread and lecture him about pinging. I see nothing in that file about failure to notify corrections staff - which is invariably untrue - and I had no idea who TigerEyes was referring to, hence you weren’t pinged. I read the snippet he sent, not an entire forum thread.


271 posted on 12/11/2009 7:11:01 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: TigersEye

The point is he notified corrections staff and claim to the contrary that you posted is without merit.

I think it’s pretty clear from following the sequence of the thread and am not sure why you see the need to deviate from the point at hand.


272 posted on 12/11/2009 7:13:10 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; TigersEye; Brytani
Ping Brytani yourself as you’re only on here to stir up trouble.

I suggest we end this now. You are the one here who wants to cause trouble if we don't agree with you. You have said you are only on this thread to debate TigersEye. (BS too you only want to fight) You are the one who has the google past & problems. Nobody else. You are the one pushing Huckabee down our throats. You are the one who refuses to ping a FReeper when using their name. You are the one with the political agenda, not any of us. Why you are here starting trouble I am not sure but it needs to stop. You didn't allow that site to stay, the owner of the site has posted all about you. None of it making you look too good either. We should believe you..... Why? I think everyone should look at it & see for themselves what you are all about. You have been insulting & attacking people when they disagree with you. Not very smart for somebody who is trying to run for an office.TigersEye has done nothing but give his opinion & facts. All of which you disagree with. That is your right. It is not your right to push your opinion down our throats. Have a nice day.

273 posted on 12/11/2009 7:58:18 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; Brytani
Ping Brytani yourself as you’re only on here to stir up trouble.

Screw you, a-hole.

274 posted on 12/11/2009 9:53:57 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; Brytani; pandoraou812
- and I had no idea who TigerEyes was referring to,...

Are you stupid, illiterate or, as I said before, just a liar. The post I put up was obviously made by Brytani and you were the one who said "Seems like someone with an agenda, or who can’t follow the facts, is distorting key aspects of what happened in an effort to smear - and I’m talking about whoever wrote that, not you."

You definitely owe her an apology and everyone else on this thread. Particularly pandoraou812 whom you have insulted repeatedly for no reason other than you are an uncultured idiot.

275 posted on 12/11/2009 10:01:26 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
The point is he notified corrections staff and claim to the contrary that you posted is without merit.

I never made that claim. Apparently you are illiterate.

276 posted on 12/11/2009 10:03:34 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; Brytani
If you don’t see the difference between the outlandish “failed to notify corrections staff and the like” vs. a he said he said with the prosecutor who claims that sometimes clemency consideration notices didn’t get to him and believes this to be the case with Clemmons, then I can’t really help you.

I never said any of that so I don't know what you're talking about.

Ping Brytani yourself as you’re only on here to stir up trouble.

I did ping her. It was you who failed to have the common courtesy to ping her and other posters you bring up in your posts. I posted information that contradicted your position that no one objected to Clemmons' clemency. If your position is so weak you can't respond to that then just drop out but that is in no way "stirring up trouble."

277 posted on 12/11/2009 10:15:37 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
post 254 of yours

Yes, and I eat kittens too. Would you like some recipes? I have a cooking show on the subject.

Who sounds like a lunatic here?

278 posted on 12/11/2009 11:55:25 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: pandoraou812; TigersEye

Pandora,
I think you are right about ending this. If you look over the sequence of this thread you’ll find that all substantive remarks were answered factually. When you and TigersEye start a heated tag team with outlandish character attacks it should have indeed stopped there and gone unanswered.
The extent of your substantive remarks are a) that some people can’t be rehabilitated (true - but by arguing that a teen robber who became violent only upon facing life should have been denied parole - your argument more resembles “no one can be rehabilitated) and b) comparisons of rapists and murderers to teen aged robbers. Like liberals, when you can no longer argue facts, you resort to ad hominem attacks.

There are no words for Tiger’s nonsense. Quoting another poster’s inaccurate statement as fact and then claiming that he never made such a statement is just the latest example of his typical. He generally goes to great lengths to call anyone who he disagrees with liars and spin idiotic arguments into grand spirals so that no one can deal with the subject at hand - almost always on threads related to religion. I tried to meet his accusations, insults and inanities with comic relief - but it’s wrong to feed him -period.

He’s now the pinging police, after failing to ping in numerous direct attacks on this thread (not that I care in the least - but it does show why no one takes him seriously). His responses are typical of other inanities and absurdities that he uses on all threads discussing religion. I hope for his sake that Ping Police is a paid job. Like I said, I wear his ridiculous accusations as a badge of honor.

I’d suggest you rethink your anti-Huckabee biases as they are and the great lengths that you and Tiger go to in attacking anyone who supports him. He’s by far the most electable candidate we have and besides, there’s been a concerted effort to discredit all GOP frontrunners (Huck, Palin, etc.) that you are only playing into.

If you have anything to say of substance, I’ll be glad to respond. If you want to go on with rants that have little to do with Huck then start a new thread about what a terrible, monstrous kitten eaten I am - by my own admission (for the purposes of this thread) and have fun. I won’t respond.

I hope that TigersEye at least finds a measure of needed solace in the fact that he has now been pinged on post 279. May it give you much joy and happiness.


279 posted on 12/13/2009 1:28:39 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
If you look over the sequence of this thread you’ll find that all substantive remarks were answered factually.

Not by you. You're a joke.

280 posted on 12/13/2009 2:01:41 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
There are no words for Tiger’s nonsense. Quoting another poster’s inaccurate statement as fact and then claiming that he never made such a statement is just the latest example of his typical.

Show the post where I said what you claim I did or STFU.

281 posted on 12/13/2009 2:02:59 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; TigersEye
Like liberals, when you can no longer argue facts, you resort to ad hominem attacks

Yomin, I think you directed this mainly at yourself. I am far from a liberal, nor am I a self-styled "conservative columnist". Nor am I a Internet-wide nuisance. And I think this quote fits you, People who are overly narcissistic commonly feel rejected, humiliated and threatened when criticized.....

I have never said nobody can be rehabilitated. In fact I have 2 sons who were said to be unlikely to make it without going to jail since their home life before living with me was so bad. They were ready to be placed in group homes. Today both are fine young men with jobs. One is even a foster parent & has his own home & 3 lovely grandchildren for me to love. He also is a fireman. So yes I do believe in 2nd chances for some people. However as I have told you & will once again.. I think some people are born bad/evil, (whatever you want to call it). And then there are the people who make the choice to be bad. Do you want to take the chance to let them loose on the rest of us to rape, attack, kill etc? I don't. I don't like Huckabee as a president. I like his show though if that matters.

Now we will deal with my tagteam pal as you say TigersEye. Yomin, face it, he is just smarter then you. He gave the facts & you replied with insults & acting like a baby. You made the choice to attack FReepers when you don't like what they said. That is what people with narcissistic tendencies do. When dealing with TE I suggest you don't pull the tiger's tail. Neither of us have a political agenda here, and you do. So a bit of advice, be nice, have FReeper manners & understand that nobody here on FR has to take your opinions shoved down their throats. You were given sources & chose not to believe them. Now I could take what I read about you & believe all that I read. But I don't. I think some of it makes sense though from your actions on this thread. You never have to post to me again. That is fine by me. But you ought to think about your role here. You were rude much of the time & wanted your own way & didn't get it. You insulted me many times. And other FReepers. I was warned about you & I should have just ignored you. I will in the future. I do hope you stop pushing Huckabee down our throats as it isn't the way to get people to like him. I am sure he wouldn't want you to do that either. Have a very nice day & take care. Good luck with your political career too.

282 posted on 12/13/2009 4:06:25 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; TigersEye
Here is a good example of your rants...He’s now the pinging police, after failing to ping in numerous direct attacks on this thread (not that I care in the least - but it does show why no one takes him seriously). His responses are typical of other inanities and absurdities that he uses on all threads discussing religion. I hope for his sake that Ping Police is a paid job. Like I said, I wear his ridiculous accusations as a badge of honor.

Now was that really necessary? First off it is a Freeper etiquette to ping FReepers when using their name. Are you rude or clueless? I don't see other FReepers who have a problem with this. As for nobody taking TigersEye seriously , I think you are very mistaken, many FReepers like TE & he is respected for his views. He is on many ping lists. Do not make statements you can not back up. You are singling TigersEye out & you singled me out to insult us.

In case you don't recall you said (post 194) meaning TE & myself that we were very mentally challenged people, & In fact, if sane people are reading this, I’m sure they’re astonished that people as clueless as you can actually type.

I also see that many FReepers disagreed with you about Huckabee. Frankly I really don't see him becoming President ever after this tragedy. He won't get the backing of any cop IMHO or their unions. People are very upset, & just because Yomin thinks they shouldn't blame Huckabee doesn't change their minds. So before you claim TE & I are any of the above you better reread this thread & see what FReepers think of your opinions. And do by all means back up the part where nobody takes TE seriously please.

283 posted on 12/13/2009 5:36:36 AM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: pandoraou812; TigersEye

Pandora,

I meant you no ill will. 194 was in response to 191 and a slew of other posts. In retrospect, I should have just let you rant that I’m a “liberal bleeding heart moron.... people like me responsible for deaths.” despite my pro-capital punishment views. Again, I take none of this personally.

None of this has to do with Huckabee. TigersEye’s factual inaccuracies have been thoroughly rebutted - be it the other person’s post or the ludicrous comparisons he’s made. I hope that people do read the thread in its entirety. But as you really don’t seem to want to discuss facts and seem to have taken to quoting internet loons who’ve admittedly ripped off comic dealers I really see no point to continuing this thread. I do wish you well and respect the great contributions that you’ve made in the lives of your children.

TE - I’ve pinged you as per your shrieking requests. Again, I don’t care about the fact that you haven’t done the same on 50 posts on this thread alone, all the while claiming indignation. I only hope that you see fit not to respond - but do as you wish.


284 posted on 12/13/2009 11:26:56 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I wish you no ill will either. Sadly have taken in children over the years I can tell you some of them were just hopeless. Drug addicts who would have done anything & did for money. One family on my street went through hell with their 2 sons. Prison time didn't work for either of them & trust me the parents had the best lawyers for them. We thought the oldest had kicked his habit but sadly he died. When I saw the 2nd son & we talked I really thought his brother's death & a few friends deaths while he was in prison had made an impression on him. He was very convincing & I thought he would get on with his life. Sadly he didn't & killing a woman during a police chase. Maybe hard time might have helped him, I don't know. I do know parents who enabled these 2 young men didn't help. By the time they realized they were enablers it was too late. One dead son, one son back in jail & a little boy left without a father. It is sad. However I think if both of these boys had stiffer sentences for all the crimes they had committed over the years they both might be here today. This isn't the only case where I wish stiffer sentences had been imposed either. I know of another boy who did a long time in juvie, got out & went back to drugs & died. With him there was little help for him after jail. I used to work with mainly bad boys & like I said I've seen quite a bit. It is sad & heartbreaking.

I know TE doesn't care who likes him or not. He stands by what he says & I respect him for it. If you know you don't agree with him why post to him?

285 posted on 12/13/2009 1:08:31 PM PST by pandoraou812 (time to dump tar & feathers on DC)
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To: pandoraou812

Bless you for the great things you’ve done and for what you’ve tried to do. Hard labor in which the kids have to do months or a year (depending on the sentence) of very hard work from dusk to dawn would probably work better than the current prison system where they sit in boredom doing nothing, sometimes having been sentenced to years of that and learn from murderers, drug dealers, etc. That to me seems like a recipe for disaster. Re TE - My only posts to him were replies.


286 posted on 12/13/2009 1:25:28 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik; pandoraou812
TE - I’ve pinged you as per your shrieking requests.

Ah, the Drama Queen again! He's a VICTIM!!!!!!!!

TigersEye’s factual inaccuracies have been thoroughly rebutted - be it the other person’s post or the ludicrous comparisons he’s made.

Where is the post I made making the statement you claim I did? Post it or shut your pie-hole.

287 posted on 12/13/2009 2:30:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
His responses are typical of other inanities and absurdities that he uses on all threads discussing religion.

I rarely post on threads about religion. Since you claim that I have it is up to you to back it up. What thread and post/s are you talking about? Post a link or stop your lying.

288 posted on 12/13/2009 2:35:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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