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Huckabee Was Correct and America Needs Such Principled Leadership
American Daily Review ^ | 12/06/2009 | Yomin Postelnik

Posted on 12/05/2009 11:19:27 PM PST by Yomin Postelnik

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To: Yomin Postelnik

He was ALL READY A MANIAC AT 16 and Huckabee did his part to set him loose on us! Some people are just sick, evil, twisted and broken (whether it be from mental illness or environment) and should not be free.


51 posted on 12/06/2009 12:43:14 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
When he became an adult and raped the kid in May, that’s when he should have been executed, not let out.

Talk about misleading. I said nothing about him being executed nor did the article that I linked to.

I don't think you even read it. It outlines numerous violent incidents he was involved in in his eight felony convictions and his outbursts in court.

52 posted on 12/06/2009 12:43:18 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

He was already a “maniac”. He attacked people in the courtroom during his hearings.


53 posted on 12/06/2009 12:43:31 AM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: TigersEye

No one’s being misleading.

I didn’t say you said. I said I believe he should (now) have been executed.

He was 17 and facing a life sentence for crimes committed at 16 during his violent outbursts in court - before that, just petty theft. It doesn’t take much to see what changed him.


56 posted on 12/06/2009 12:46:44 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Huckabee isn’t thoughtless, callous or cruel and recognizes that public service actually entails service to the public.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Service to the public means protecting the public. He did not. Huckabee is finished.

Records matter. Obama has re-taught the electorate that.

57 posted on 12/06/2009 12:48:20 AM PST by Candor7 ((The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA))
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Baloney. You are pushing the same misleading BS that Huckabee is.

* Sentenced to 5 years for robbery in Pulaski County, Aug. 3, 1989. 

* Sentenced to 8 years for burglary, theft and probation revocation in Pulaski County, Sept. 9, 1989

* Sentenced to an indeterminate amount for aggravated robbery and theft in Pulaski County, Nov. 15, 1989

* Sentenced to 20 years each for burglary and theft of property in Pulaski County, Feb. 23, 1990.

* Sentenced to 6 years for firearm possession in Pulaski County, Nov. 19, 1990.

The record shows Clemmons went on a crime spree in 1988-89.  In November 1988, Clemmons punched a 7th grader in the face and stole his necklace.  That resulted in the initial 5-year sentence.

Clemmons turned 17 years old in February 1989.  In April of that year, he broke into an Arkansas state trooper's home and stole $6,700 worth of items, including a gun.  A couple of weeks later,  Clemmons was arrested for bringing a gun on school property.  

Less than two weeks later after the gun incident, Maurice Clemmons and an accomplice were arrested for two separate robberies on the same  night.  They robbed a woman in front of an Arkansas bar.  Clemmons claimed he had a gun.  The woman said, "Well, why don't you just shoot?".  Clemmons punched her in the head and snatched her purse. 

35 minutes later, Clemmons and his friend hit a man in the head and stole his $500 gold chain in front of a convenience store.  They were also questioned about two other similar robberies and one attempted robbery that occurred the same night.

There were also three separate courtroom incidents in 1990 where Clemmons tried to use a weapon against a judge, threw a padlock at a bailiff, and tried to take a guard's pistol.  A judge ordered Clemmons be placed in leg shackles because he felt Clemmons has threatened him.  Clemmons also displayed very erratic behavior during the trial, mumbling loudly throughout the proceedings.  He also made an obscene gesture toward a state trooper testifying against him.  There is a definite pattern of showing a complete lack of respect, and a lot of hostility, toward authority figures.

Clemmons would not have been eligible for parole until 2015.  Mike Huckabee's commutation in 2000 made him eligible immediately.  Clemmons was granted parole just one month later.  He was sentenced to 108 total years for 8 different felonies.  Clemmons served only 11.

58 posted on 12/06/2009 12:49:47 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

I see burglary, theft and firearm possession before and far worse after. That’s my point.


59 posted on 12/06/2009 12:51:15 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

That’s my point too. He should have remained behind bars so as not to have been permitted far worse.


60 posted on 12/06/2009 12:54:14 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Yeah, hitting numerous people in the head is just a boyish prank.


61 posted on 12/06/2009 12:54:57 AM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: Politicalmom

I don’t see it as a boyish prank. I see it as being very serious. But a 17 year old facing a life sentence for burglary likely goes mad at the prospect. A relatively short term of harsh labor may have straightened him out.

The trial judge who saw the outburst wasn’t opposed to his release 11 years later.


62 posted on 12/06/2009 12:59:08 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Politicalmom

That’s one of the things that galls me most—the lying through omission. It’s made to sound as if Clemmons was merely breaking into vending machines to steal Skittles.


63 posted on 12/06/2009 12:59:52 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

The more Huck spins, the worse it gets. Apparently he cannot take NO for an answer. Wrong headed compassion has its consequences and as a result people are dead.

Now it is time for Huckabee to face his consequences.

He is over for 2012.

By the way, him as top of the ticket would not have united the party.


65 posted on 12/06/2009 1:01:21 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Then you can't read or you're a liar. For starters he was 17 when he committed his second offense of the five incidents that got him eight felony convictions. So the BS about him being 16 when he committed his "crime" is just that.

The account I just posted shows numerous incidents of violence. He punches a 7th grader, a woman, a guy on the street, makes a threat on the judge in court, throws a padlock at a bailiff and tries to take a guard's gun. So don't give me your crapola about "I see burglary, theft and firearm possession before..."

Grow up and stop lying to me.

66 posted on 12/06/2009 1:01:45 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Do you even know this guy's history? He got the 108 year sentence because he was convicted of eight separate felonies--including breaking into a state trooper's home and stealing something like $6,500 worth of stuff and a gun. During his trial, he fashioned weapons and tried to grab a guard's gun. So, he was violent before he was sentenced. This lie that Huckabee simply wanted to rectify the mistake of sentencing a poor, remorseful 16-year-old to an abominable prison sentence is outrageous. By the way, he had been in prison for almost ten years at that point, so the damage would have already been done if we're going to buy into that ridiculous notion.
67 posted on 12/06/2009 1:05:20 AM PST by Rastus
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To: Yomin Postelnik
The trial judge who saw the outburst wasn’t opposed to his release 11 years later.

He apparently wasn't opposed to the sentence 11 years earlier either. If Huckabee had passed him over he would have been up for parole in 2015. That would have been 26 years so throwing around the 108 year sentence is disingenuous.

68 posted on 12/06/2009 1:06:09 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

HUCKABY BABY GAVE US MCCAIN AS OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, WHICH GAVE US OBAMA. Glad to see him go.


69 posted on 12/06/2009 1:08:37 AM PST by dixjea
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To: mkjessup

Since you ask - I would blame the long, boring prison sentences surrounded by hardened criminals and seek to replace that with short intense labor sentences so that it didn’t happen to others. That’s what I’d do.


70 posted on 12/06/2009 1:09:30 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Rastus

It’s clear that he went maniacal only after he faced the prospect of a life sentence (which was almost assured). The crimes before are far different than the crimes after. Not rectifying the situation can have repeat severe consequences, which should/must be avoided.


71 posted on 12/06/2009 1:12:48 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: Nickname

jim demint is fighting people like you in washington!


72 posted on 12/06/2009 1:14:14 AM PST by skipper18
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Huckabee also threw the race card on Geraldo tonight to make excuses for himself and that really burns me. He did it in the same self-serving and dishonest way Sharpton does.

He would have done far better for himself if he had just offered his condolences to the families of the slain officers and his regret that a decision he had made many years ago had let this guy go. That and then refuse to discuss it further.

73 posted on 12/06/2009 1:15:54 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: TigersEye

I agree with you on that. I think he’s trying to get a point across though, about prison sentences (which many see as harmful/aggravating of crime) and just did it the wrong way. I don’t like bringing race into it and don’t believe that has much merit.


74 posted on 12/06/2009 1:18:15 AM PST by Yomin Postelnik (www.ABetterFlorida.com - Also Support Marco Rubio, Allen West and reelect Tom Coburn in 2010)
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To: skipper18

He doesn’t want to protect society and keep criminals behind bars?


75 posted on 12/06/2009 1:21:05 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

His behavior was clearly violent and disturbed from the start. You’re lying when you try to spin it differently.


76 posted on 12/06/2009 1:22:37 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I think he’s trying to get a point across though, about prison sentences (which many see as harmful/aggravating of crime) and just did it the wrong way.

That is par for the course with Huckabee. He has called those who want to close the borders bigots.

77 posted on 12/06/2009 1:25:16 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Doofus.


78 posted on 12/06/2009 1:27:06 AM PST by rae4palin
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To: Yomin Postelnik; mkjessup
"Since you ask - I would blame the long, boring prison sentences surrounded by hardened criminals and seek to replace that with short intense labor sentences so that it didn’t happen to others. That’s what I’d do."

Are there scissors on your desk?

Are they the pointy ones, or (I hope) the little blunt kind?
79 posted on 12/06/2009 1:28:47 AM PST by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: Yomin Postelnik

The Huckster is toast, and he did it all by himself - freerepublic didn’t even embed a campaign against him in every thread.


80 posted on 12/06/2009 1:30:27 AM PST by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: Yomin Postelnik
I would blame the long, boring prison sentences surrounded by hardened criminals and seek to replace that with short intense labor sentences so that it didn’t happen to others.

We don't do labor camps in this country. Not much anyway. There used to be prison labor camps in places but I don't think there is any evidence that they reduced recidivism in violent offenders.

In addition our courts have mostly ruled that kind of treatment out. All anybody would have to do is come up with some "condition" preventing them from doing any labor and that would be it. They would just skate through their short sentence.

Besides, you're putting responsibility for someone's actions on the authorities who enforce the laws. That is liberal horse shit thinking.

81 posted on 12/06/2009 1:32:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Huckabee clearly has a problem with “getting his point across” then.

If he believes there’s a problem with the length of sentences and their effects on criminal behavior then he should have advocated for change rather than playing God and letting evil loose among us.


82 posted on 12/06/2009 1:37:39 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Excuse me while I don my flame-proof suit...

Now...

The truth is, pardoning or not, I would not have supported Huckabee anyway, unless he was the only conservative running against obama.

I don't think America needs a "benevolent", turn-the-the-other-cheek President right now. What we need someone who is tough enough to make the decisions to get our country on the right track...similar to Reagan.

Our enemies didn't want to mess with Reagan too much, they knew that if they messed with us, Reagan would rain down the hell, fire, and brimstone on them.

Even on a domestic level he didn't put up with much...ask the Air Traffic Controllers who tried to buffalo him.

We need a President who will say what s/he means, and mean what s/he says. A President who will give it back to the dems as hard as they shovel it.

I think Huckabee would try to be more of a preacher, than a President...the White House is no place for a preacher, because there are now too many in the US who have no use for religion, and governing them will take a stern hand. Besides, the situation would provide to much ammo for the lamestream press, who will already try and use his religion against him.

Make no mistake, I'm not saying the President shouldn't be religious and stick to his/her faith, but the kind of people trying to subdue our government and kill our people don't give a hoot about what our religion says, and it can't be used to govern them except as administered through our belief system of laws, or, our military.

I agree the cop killer should have never been set free, but there were more people than Huckabee involved in the decision. I think he's a good man, with a good heart, but I just don't think we need him for President, nor do I think he could win at this point.

Flame away.
83 posted on 12/06/2009 1:42:15 AM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: TigersEye
"short intense labor sentences"

I remember those days. From my youth.

84 posted on 12/06/2009 1:46:08 AM PST by anglian
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To: anglian

English class? It was no labor of love that’s for sure. ;^)


85 posted on 12/06/2009 1:55:32 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Nickname

Exactly. If sentencing is a problem fix sentencing. If prison conditions are a problem fix prison conditions. In any case it is a false dichotomy to blame criminal behavior on “the system.” The reason people end up in jail is as a consequence of their actions. It is bassackwards to then use those consequences as a reason to excuse even more deviant behavior. That isn’t compassion that’s a neurosis.


86 posted on 12/06/2009 2:03:43 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Your case might be more credible if you used proper terminology. Huckabee commuted Clemmons' sentence, but did not pardon him.

While Clemmons' first sentence may have been unduly harsh, we as a society have unwittingly created an environment that rewards lawlessness and subjects society to the craven behavior of the criminal class.

Punishment, yes punishment, for criminal acts should be based on protecting society, deterring others from similar acts and only then should rehabilitation be considered. The prime reason for the existence of any government is to protect its citizens from dangers within and outside its borders, not rehabilitation of its enemies or its criminals.

87 posted on 12/06/2009 2:09:35 AM PST by monocle
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To: Yomin Postelnik
My biggest problem with Huckabee about this is did he do enough to get this guy nailed back into prison once it became obvious he was going to continue breaking laws?

I don't know but the guy was loose so I am thinking sadly not enough was done.

88 posted on 12/06/2009 2:13:05 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Daddy's First Christmas!)
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To: TigersEye; Yomin Postelnik

It’s the same copout that liberals use to enable radical islam which the author ironically frets over. Their behavior isn’t their fault—it’s ours. It’s America. It’s “the system.”

We just need to be nicer to those who feed on our blood, don’tcha know.


89 posted on 12/06/2009 2:46:45 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

The three easiest way for a used car salesman to gain power
is to become a preacher, a politician or get a TV show.


90 posted on 12/06/2009 2:51:51 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunham?) Change America Will Die From.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

I’m certainly NOT a Huckabee fan, but can understand somewhat that he does have a defense for his actions.

He only commuted the sentence of Clemmons, which reduced his sentence. He did not release the perp from prison; the parole board did that.

The government officials in Washington state are the people responsible. He had eight felony charges there, including pending child rape, and two judges let him walk with a pittance of bail fee.

All of that said, I totally disagree with your liberal views regarding the treatment of criminals. The punishments should fit the crimes.


91 posted on 12/06/2009 2:59:43 AM PST by octex
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Is this the transcript of the eulogy for the murdered police officers?

"Gov. Huckabee isn’t thoughtless, callous or cruel", but he's alive, which is in rather stark contrast to everyone associated with the criminal he pardoned.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

92 posted on 12/06/2009 3:02:32 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
Huckabee Was Correct and America Needs Such Principled Leadership

It takes a lot of guts to make such an absurd statement. I can think of at least four families that surely disagree: The families of Lakewood police Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39, and officers Tina Griswold, 40, Greg Richards, 42, and Ronald Owens, 37.

I had no strong feelings either way on Huck prior to this tragedy. Even if Huck has said it was a mistake and he would learn from it, I wouldn't hold it against him (not much at least). But Huck and his supporters have decided to act like this pardon was the right move. I disagree STRONGLY, and I find that position to be a serious flaw in Huck as a candidate.

93 posted on 12/06/2009 3:14:07 AM PST by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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To: octex

Huckabee reduced Clemmons’ sentence to 47 years, 5 months and 19 days which made him immediately eligible. IMO he set things in motion for all of the suffering that’s followed.

Yes, there’s lots of blame but the one who got the ball rolling was Huckabee.


94 posted on 12/06/2009 3:15:58 AM PST by Nickname (2012 - Yes You're Canned!)
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To: Yomin Postelnik

Good morning YP, you are certainly brave to defend Huckabee’s actions in releasing offenders on FR. I’ve never been a Huckabee fan but you are right there are major problems that need to be legitimately addressed about our courts and prisons. Short list includes: prison gangs, Islamist indocrination, juvenile incarceration, cost/effectiveness, etc.
BTW, good luck in your run for office in FL. Liked your website.


95 posted on 12/06/2009 3:40:07 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Yomin Postelnik

If Huck wanted to run for the Democratic nomination he’d probably be a shoo-in with a crime and pardon record like his, but the fact is that he would be running in a Republican primary dominated by conservatives. He’s finished.


96 posted on 12/06/2009 4:14:07 AM PST by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: Yomin Postelnik
By contrast, sentencing a teen to years in prison has almost inevitably bred nothing more than a violent menaces to society.

Which is why you don't let them out. DUH.

Had this one person crime wave been left to rot in prison for the 108 years for which he was originally sentenced, the 4 cops he killed would have been alive today.

97 posted on 12/06/2009 4:34:24 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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He was 17 and facing a life sentence for crimes committed at 16 during his violent outbursts in court - before that, just petty theft.

Petty theft? You're not just rewriting history, you're redefining criminal statute definitions.

We get it. You're a Huckabee fan and it's natural to try to find all the reasons why your loyalty wasn't misplaced. But your defense relies on downplaying serious crimes while trying to make the issue an abstract--academic musings over the societal influences and implications of the penal system. The grand, overarching justification you create for Huckabee's thought process is an after-the fact rationalization.

Clemmons was not a one time hiccup, but part of a clear pattern of a non-jurist substituting his own judgment for that of judges, juries, and prosecutors over and over again. Yes, it is a governor's prerogative to do so occasionally. But the sheer number of Huckabee's insertions of himself into the process forfeits the argument that his commutation of Clemmons's sentence was the result of careful, studied thought on the specifics of this one case. It's part of a clear, activist agenda.

It's painful to realize someone you admire and respect has serious flaws and blindspots. He's lucky to have passionate defenders such as you. But neither yours nor Huckabee's protestations and explanations can save his political career. It's over. Done. His explanation tour on the talk show circuit--especially this last race-card travesty with Geraldo--is only compounding the damage. He's gone all in on a losing hand, and the likelihood is, he's just gambled away any career at all in the public eye.

98 posted on 12/06/2009 5:16:14 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: ABQHispConservative

B U M P


99 posted on 12/06/2009 5:27:21 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: wardaddy

Huckabee is, and always has been, a con man. Today, he is just a POS.


100 posted on 12/06/2009 5:29:34 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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