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Climategate controversy has echoes of Watergate, UN says
Times Online (UK) ^ | December 6, 2009 | Ben Webster and Murad Ahmed

Posted on 12/06/2009 12:26:28 PM PST by neverdem

UN officials likened the Climategate controversy to Watergate today, claiming that computer hackers who stole thousands of e-mails sent by a senior climate scientist were probably paid to do it by people intent on undermining the Copenhagen summit.

Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, vice-chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), said the theft from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was not the work of amateur climate sceptics but a sophisticated and well-funded attempt to destroy public confidence in the science of man-made climate change.

He said the fact that the e-mails were first uploaded to a sceptic website from a computer in Russia was an indication that the culprit was paid.

"It's very common for hackers in Russia to be paid for their services.

"If you look at that mass of e-mails a lot of work was done, not only to download the data but it's a carefully made selection of e-mails and documents that's not random at all. This is 13 years of data and it's not a job of amateurs."

Mr van Ypersele said that publication of the e-mails had undermined efforts by the IPCC to convince the 192 countries at Copenhagen that they needed to act fast on emissions.

"One effect of this is to make scientists lose lots of time checking things.

"We are spending a lot of useless time discussing this rather than spending time preparing information for the negotiators."

He rejected claims by sceptics that the e-mails showed efforts had been made to manipulate the data to exaggerate the warming trend.

"It doesn't change anything in the IPCC's conclusions. It's only one line of evidence out of dozens of lines of evidence."

Achim Steiner, director of the UN Environment Programme...

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KEYWORDS: climatechange; climategate; cru; gorebalism; ipcc; unitednations; watergate
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Hackergate, when it looks like a whistle blower leak!
1 posted on 12/06/2009 12:26:29 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Exactly! It was done by a whistle blower with a conscience.


2 posted on 12/06/2009 12:29:55 PM PST by abclily
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To: neverdem

Funny how one of the guilty parties wants to insert themselves in as an investigator.


3 posted on 12/06/2009 12:30:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: neverdem

The UN sees their new big money scam rapidly going in the toilet. I can understand their anger at the people who EXPOSED their scam and hoax. LOL!!! First their “food for oil” moneymaker fell on its ass and now this. The U.N. is a bunch of losers.


4 posted on 12/06/2009 12:31:47 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Hey America! How's that hopey changey "diversity" thing workin' out for ya?)
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To: neverdem
"a sophisticated and well-funded attempt to destroy public confidence in the science of man-made climate change. "

A FRAUD exposed by liberation of the Public's data from repeated Torture by an information Freedom Fighter is still a FRAUD.

5 posted on 12/06/2009 12:31:50 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: neverdem

Let’s see...

Should I be mad at hackers, paid or not, that exposed an international deception.

or

The “scientists” that were using that deception to usurp my freedoms, money, and nation’s sovereignty to the tune of TRILLIONS of increasingly worthless dollars?

Decisions, decisions...


6 posted on 12/06/2009 12:32:30 PM PST by VanDeKoik (Iran doesnt have a 2nd admendment. Ya see how that turned out?)
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To: neverdem

Jean, screw you, your mother, your cat, your dog and the horse you rode in on.


7 posted on 12/06/2009 12:33:05 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: neverdem
I can't believe it. No one has blamed Ronald Reagan or George Bush for this yet.

I does crack me up that the IPCC tried to do the same thing that congress did by rushing through bills without anyone having time to read them!.

8 posted on 12/06/2009 12:34:40 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: neverdem
Which is it? Stole the emails or exposed trillions of dollars of fraud? These asshats just don't get it.
9 posted on 12/06/2009 12:34:52 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: neverdem

Does the world owe a tip of the hat to Pooty-Poot?


10 posted on 12/06/2009 12:34:52 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: neverdem

Sort of like a bank robber complaining because the bank teller kept his demand note.


11 posted on 12/06/2009 12:35:24 PM PST by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: neverdem

sung to the tune of “Home On The Range”

Oh, give me a home where the wind turbines roam
Where the queers and the unicorns play
Where solar does work with encouraging words
And the skies are so sunny all day
Hope, hope and some change
Where the deer and the antelope play
Where seldom is heard a disparaging word
And the rigs they are idle all day

How often at night when the money’s so tight
From the light of the glittering stars
Have I stood there and froze and asked as my toes
Are as frozen at ten icy bars

Hope, hope and some change
Where the scientists cheat on the stats
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word
Cause Al Gore he did make sure of that

Then give me a land where the EPA can hand
Carbon tickets to tax like a dream
Where the grateful sheep pawns go sickly along
Like a chump in a political dream

Oh I would not exchange that sick hope and the change
Where the heat and the AC did flow
Where my engine was heard like a powerful word
And the skies used to change every day


12 posted on 12/06/2009 12:36:01 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER ( EPA will rule your life)
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To: neverdem

“...the science of man-made climate change.” is UNspeak for hoax.


13 posted on 12/06/2009 12:37:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I don't care who did the hacking. The Climategate emails speak for themselves.)
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To: neverdem

The MSM won’t report this, so we have to.

Tell everybody you know - BEST ClimateGate clips:

http://BraveNewCommie.com


14 posted on 12/06/2009 12:39:42 PM PST by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side; Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: neverdem
UN officials likened the Climategate controversy to Watergate today, claiming that computer hackers who stole thousands of e-mails sent by a senior climate scientist were probably paid to do it by people intent on undermining the Copenhagen summit.

Since no one knows who leaked/stole the documentation this is nothing more than a paranoid conspiracy theory.

15 posted on 12/06/2009 12:40:10 PM PST by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: neverdem
UN officials likened the Climategate controversy to Watergate

Oh sure...like the corrupt IDIOTS didn't know.

How about; It's similar to the OIL FOR FOOD scam, or the UN Rape-keepers scandal...only much bigger.

16 posted on 12/06/2009 12:40:43 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: neverdem

Watergate is small potatoes compared to this.

Watergate was one man’s paranoia that got out of hand.

Climategate is a conspiracy of global proportions which involves once trusted scientists, politicians, agencies, institutions and individuals. It has besmirched such luminaries as NASA, The Nobel Peace Prize, National Geographic, Environmental Science as a whole, and anybody who even sincerely cares about the environment.

It has cost taxpayers billions, and probably helped destroy our economy, and I wouldn’t doubt it if it contributed to the Lyin’ King’s election as well.

Watergate’s tentacles never reached that far.


17 posted on 12/06/2009 12:41:16 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: neverdem
UN officials likened the Climategate controversy to Watergate today, claiming that computer hackers who stole thousands of e-mails sent by a senior climate scientist were probably paid to do it by people intent on undermining the Copenhagen summit.

Which is the bigger crime: the whistleblowing that prevents a bank robbery, or allowing for the actual bank robbery to take place where many people could be killed/injured and a lot of money stolen?

With the fraudulent climate change "science" the proponents and supporters of the science were hoping to effectuate the transfer of trillions of dollars from the "haves" to the "have not" nations. The whistelblowing prevented the biggest crime in the history of mankind to take place, at least for now.
18 posted on 12/06/2009 12:42:42 PM PST by adorno
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To: neverdem

Love it.


19 posted on 12/06/2009 12:43:03 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: left that other site
A good place to start digging.

Carbon trading scam connections
20 posted on 12/06/2009 12:44:14 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: neverdem; All

You are correct IMHO that it was a whistleblower leak, and I had to LOL when I read that these people who “hacked” the emails had to be “paid” to do this. And .. the guy who was paying them was against the Climate Change mantra.

ROTFLOL!! The only reason the liberals think that way is because ..... THAT’S WHAT THEY WOULD DO - SO THEY ASSUME EVERYBODY ELSE DOES IT TOO!!!


21 posted on 12/06/2009 12:46:06 PM PST by CyberAnt (Healthcare is not a RIGHT guaranteed by the Constitution)
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To: cripplecreek
Funny how one of the guilty parties wants to insert themselves in as an investigator.

Just like Jamie Gorelick managed to weasel her way onto the 9/11 Commission panel. It was the Gorelick "Wall" which, more than any one thing, allowed 9/11 to happen.

22 posted on 12/06/2009 12:55:43 PM PST by giotto
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To: neverdem

The moral: when you’re caught, bring up Watergate or accuse the enemy of being a fascist. The media will take it from there.


23 posted on 12/06/2009 12:55:59 PM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: abclily

Deep Throat has the same advise now that He had in the 60s.

Follow the money


24 posted on 12/06/2009 1:00:44 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: giotto

Not much rattles the UN the way this has. Even UN child molesting didn’t bring this kind of response.


25 posted on 12/06/2009 1:05:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: neverdem
THE UN, THE NWO, THE GLOBAL WARMING DECEPTION is a world wide cult of deception......

Learn from the past.....















26 posted on 12/06/2009 1:11:33 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: neverdem
He rejected claims by sceptics that the e-mails showed efforts had been made to manipulate the data to exaggerate the warming trend.

They are still at Stage One:
FIVE STAGES OF DENYING DEATH
1) Denial -- The emails don’t mean anything
2) Anger -- How DARE that hacker raid our privacy!
3) Bargaining -- You’re the Media – cover for us! We won't lie any more!
4) Depression -- Oh God, Climategate is gaining traction! ·
5) Acceptance -- Maybe I can get a job at McDonalds

27 posted on 12/06/2009 1:13:03 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: neverdem

lol.. Hellooooo..
Nixon created the EPA, you dumb bunnies..


28 posted on 12/06/2009 1:15:19 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: Oatka

Oh, no; not ALL of them. Sen. Barbara Boxer has made it to at least Stage 2 with her “E-mail-gate” comment.

She’s at least on par with a few 18th Century British Loyalists who were upset that Paul Revere had been out past curfew.


29 posted on 12/06/2009 1:18:50 PM PST by HKMk23 (In the end, life contains only one tragedy: not to have been a saint.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
UN officials likened the Climategate controversy to Watergate today, claiming that computer hackers who stole thousands of e-mails sent by a senior climate scientist were probably paid to do it by people intent on undermining the Copenhagen summit.
Oh! Does this mean Richard Nixon is going to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize posthumously? Thanks neverdem.
30 posted on 12/06/2009 1:23:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: cripplecreek

Hoo Hah! Thank You for that!


31 posted on 12/06/2009 1:34:33 PM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: SunkenCiv
Let me see, the UN says the hacking was similar to Watergate. OK, let's examine that. Conjecture has it the white house orchestrated the break in to find details about a prostitution ring being run out of that office. It was unsuccessful in finding the details but managed to get inside perhaps twice being caught on the second endeavor. On this “hacking” they got in and got the details. In my mind, it was better than watergate, they found the whores.
32 posted on 12/06/2009 1:46:32 PM PST by Mouton
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To: Sunshine Sister

Bush is on record as a sceptic about global warming; they haven’t yet figured out how to turn their spin inside out in order to blame him.


33 posted on 12/06/2009 1:46:32 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: All
I'm keeping a running file ( always updated ) on this fraud and scandal:

"Hadley CRU has apparently been hacked –[epic fraud?]"

Click the picture:


And yes, it is a swindle- a fraud and a cheat and a scam-- a deliberately designed construct intended to con you out of things you hold dear-- money, prosperity, freedom... and a few other things, as well.

34 posted on 12/06/2009 1:50:38 PM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: DollyCali; FrPR; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; Thunder90; Entrepreneur; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

35 posted on 12/06/2009 2:06:05 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: neverdem
"...were probably paid to do it by people intent on undermining the Copenhagen summit."

By chance, is anyone aware of how I could donate money to have other AGW "scientists" computers hacked?

36 posted on 12/06/2009 2:09:39 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: neverdem
... computer hackers who stole thousands of e-mails were probably paid to do it by people intent on undermining the Copenhagen summit.

PROBABLY???

You mean you don't know?

Sacre bleu, Jean-Paul. How can we find out for sure?

37 posted on 12/06/2009 2:15:12 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: neverdem
"It's very common for hackers in Russia to be paid for their services.

Oh?

And how do you know this, c'est vous plais?

38 posted on 12/06/2009 2:16:08 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: adorno

I wonder if anyone is expending the energy to find out who the whistle blowers are? I remember when the book Primary Colors was published. The author was Anonymous. The presstitutes hunted him down like a wild pig!


39 posted on 12/06/2009 2:23:20 PM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: American Constitutionalist
0bama is simply Jim Jones with a Teleprompter...
40 posted on 12/06/2009 2:31:47 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: neverdem
It certainly provided a lesson on how those people cover up. All speculation, designed to keep a moralizer's patina intact.

Perhaps it'll be used as part of a homeschool lesson. "Based upon this document, what do those people do when the hands of their friends are caught in the act?"

41 posted on 12/06/2009 2:39:10 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: neverdem
It may have similarities to Watergate but that isn't one of them. Funny, isn't it, how the last thing the defenders of this scam want to talk about is whether the emails and what they reveal are true?

It's only one line of evidence out of dozens of lines of evidence.

That's what's most interesting in all of this. The CRU was a clearinghouse for raw data and their data are quoted not in one of dozens of papers on this, but in dozens of dozens. What real scientists are asking now is "How dirty are the data and where do they appear?" What political activists seeking power are asking is "How do we cover this up?" So yes, in that at least, it is very much like Watergate.

42 posted on 12/06/2009 2:41:41 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: neverdem

Don’t concern yourself about the allegations that we lied, covered things up, enriched ourselves and are trying to take over your lives on the basis of lies.

No, no - just worry that some hackers are bringing all that stuff to light....


43 posted on 12/06/2009 2:52:15 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Chode
" 0bama is simply Jim Jones with a Teleprompter..."





Teleprompter Jones to the tune and words of ( Basketball Jones from Cheech and Chong )



TELEPROMPTER JONES

Teleprompter Jones, I got a Teleprompter Jones Got a Teleprompter Jones, oh baby, oo-oo-oo

Yes, I am the victim of a Teleprompter Jones.
Ever since I was a little baby, I always be lying'
In fac', I was de baddest lier in the whole neighborhood
Then one day, my mama bought me a Teleprompter
And I loved that Teleprompter
I took that Teleprompter with me everywhere I went
That Teleprompter was like a Teleprompter to me

I even put that Teleprompter underneath my pillow
Maybe that's why I can't sleep at night
I need help, ladies and gentlemens
I need someone to stand beside me
I need, I need someone to set a pick for me at the
free-throw line of life
Someone I can pass a lie to
Someone to hit the open man on the shuck-and-jive
And not end up in the popcorn machine
So MSM cheerleaders, help me out

{MSM cheerleaders sing repeatedly...}
(Teleprompter Jones, we got a Teleprompter Jones) (We got a Teleprompter Jones, OBAMA O baby, oo-oo-ooo)

{while Tyrone Rev. Wright Shoelaces sings/speaks...}
Oh, that sounds so sweet
Sing it out
C'mon Coach Booty, Red Blazer, sing along with me That be bad, the honky
Yeah
I want everybody in the whole stadium to stand up and sing with us
Oh yeah, sing it out like you're proud
All right, everybody watchin' coast-to-coast, sing along with us
The Axe, David Axselrod, sing along with us
Chick Heath ,Kieth, Olberman, sing along with us
Chris Mr. BO'tingles, don't sing nothin'

Oh, it feels so good
Gimme the prompter
I'll go one-on-one against the world, with the left-handed MSM
I could stuff it to the right and center court with my toes
I could prompt on top of the worldstage, take off a quarter, leave fifteen cents for Hope & Change
I could, I could lie behind my back I got more moves than Ex-Lax I'm bad
I could lie with my tongue, Here I go down court,
Try to stop me
You can't stop me, 'cause I
Got a Teleprompter Jones Here I come That's my hook shot with my eyebrow Yeah, I could
dunk it with my nose I'm, I'm bad as King Kong, gimme the propmter I'm hot, I'm hot as...,
I'm hot as..., I'm hot as... uh Uh, uh, uh, uh

44 posted on 12/06/2009 3:16:00 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: CyberAnt; All

“ROTFLOL!! The only reason the liberals think that way is because ..... THAT’S WHAT THEY WOULD DO - SO THEY ASSUME EVERYBODY ELSE DOES IT TOO!!!”

We have a winner!!


45 posted on 12/06/2009 3:24:47 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Jean, screw you, your mother, your cat, your dog and the horse you rode in on.

All at the same time?
Now that’s kinky!
It only is missing a dwarf.


46 posted on 12/06/2009 3:28:38 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: highlander_UW
I hope the parallels to Watergate are that the US President, though he may not have been complicit in the original crime, wholeheartedly went into cover-up mode when the initial crimes were exposed, ultimately causing the President to see the wisdom of resigning.

HF

47 posted on 12/06/2009 3:30:56 PM PST by holden
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To: neverdem

Can UN officials be sentenced to death?


48 posted on 12/06/2009 3:36:47 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Texas Eagle
And how do you know this, c'est vous plais?

Just a small nit-picking point, but...

While I'll be the first to admit my French ain't what it used to be, I believe that's really, "sil' vous plais".

Just something for future reference.

You're point, however, is spot-on. Please, carry on!

CA....

49 posted on 12/06/2009 3:57:34 PM PST by Chances Are
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To: Mouton

:’)


50 posted on 12/06/2009 4:08:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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