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Business Fumes Over EPA Rule
WSJ ^ | 12/7/09 | JEFFREY BALL and CHARLES FORELLE

Posted on 12/06/2009 6:00:43 PM PST by FromLori

Officials gather in Copenhagen this week for an international climate summit, but business leaders are focusing even more on Washington, where the Obama administration is expected as early as Monday to formally declare carbon dioxide a dangerous pollutant.

An "endangerment" finding by the Environmental Protection Agency could pave the way for the government to require businesses that emit carbon dioxide and five other greenhouse gases to make costly changes in machinery to reduce emissions -- even if Congress doesn't pass pending climate-change legislation. EPA action to regulate emissions could affect the U.S. economy more directly, and more quickly, than any global deal inked in the Danish capital, where no binding agreement is expected.

Many business groups are opposed to EPA efforts to curb a gas as ubiquitous as carbon dioxide.

An EPA action to reduce emissions won't do much to combat climate change, and "is certain to come at a huge cost to the economy," said the Natio

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoenvironment; bhoepa; chicomslovit; climategate; emissions; envirowackos; epa; g81; jobkiller; jobstochina

1 posted on 12/06/2009 6:00:43 PM PST by FromLori
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To: FromLori

They are finally taxing breathing


2 posted on 12/06/2009 6:03:01 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: FromLori; DollyCali; FrPR; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; Delacon; Thunder90; Entrepreneur; ...
The EPA is an endangerment to freedom.

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 12/06/2009 6:03:29 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: FromLori

“NO MORE BBQ FOR YOU!”

Charcoal Briquets to be outlawed.

“Drop the porkloin and come out
with your forks up!”


4 posted on 12/06/2009 6:03:47 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: FromLori

The EPA has turned into just another neighborhood gang member who wants his ‘cut’ of your profit.


5 posted on 12/06/2009 6:03:58 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: FromLori

Tired of waiting for Congress to screw us Obama has deferred to the EPA.

One way or the other, the Kenyan is determined to destroy our Country.


6 posted on 12/06/2009 6:05:51 PM PST by Venturer
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To: tet68

Well, this is “forked up” - that’s for sure.


7 posted on 12/06/2009 6:06:39 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: FromLori

We already have a jobless recovery. What the hell do we need business for? This is sure to be a business killer.


8 posted on 12/06/2009 6:06:48 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: FromLori

Destruction without representation.


9 posted on 12/06/2009 6:07:56 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (ALSO SPRACH ZEROTHUSTRA)
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To: FromLori

Speaking of the EPA, anyone remember this:

http://www.thehotjoints.com/2009/05/12/video-internal-epa-memo-says-effect-of-greenhouse-gases-not-proven/


10 posted on 12/06/2009 6:08:49 PM PST by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: driftdiver
Once you price CO2 and put a price on it, you find, as you would with any other product, it tends to be rationed. We as a people on this planet have lived under the false concept that air and water were free. And we’ve learned with a planet of 7 billion people, that we have to ration these precious goods. And the good old price system is the best way to do it.”

Richard Sandor, father of the carbon trading market.
11 posted on 12/06/2009 6:08:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: umgud

The more they keep ‘keeping on’ the bigger the backlash will be in 2010. I just hope there are lots of TeaParty folks ready to run!


12 posted on 12/06/2009 6:12:37 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: umgud

They want to destroy the economy, so they can put as many people on welfare as possible. They want to create a nation where the vast majority of people are dependant on Democrat backed government handouts to keep them in power forever.


13 posted on 12/06/2009 6:15:07 PM PST by Husker24
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To: FromLori

The only thing that makes sense here is that our Elites have agreed to accelerate the transfer of our industries overseas. In exchange for.....agreement by the Chinese to fund an increasing share of our deficit over the next decade or so. The Dems plan is to get the American people totally dependent and totally consolidate power. Once they have ALL the levers of power, they figure they can deal with the inevitable financial collapse.


14 posted on 12/06/2009 6:17:48 PM PST by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: FromLori
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15 posted on 12/06/2009 6:19:33 PM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: rbg81

Ship all manufacturing out of America and a few can get incredibly wealthy off carbon trading.


16 posted on 12/06/2009 6:19:48 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: FromLori


17 posted on 12/06/2009 6:21:18 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: FromLori

I’d rather see it this way than the dam Nopenhagen deal. We can reverse this in fairly short order.


18 posted on 12/06/2009 6:26:57 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: FromLori

The MSM is suppressing ClimateGate.

Get the word out. Email this to everybody (best ClimateGate clips):

http://www.BraveNewCommie.com


19 posted on 12/06/2009 6:28:21 PM PST by Islam=Murder (Hitler hated his Jewish side; Omoslem hates his white side.)
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To: FromLori

Are the taxes on cow and pig farts still in the regs? Let the EPA try to enforce this stuff and Congress will get an earful.


20 posted on 12/06/2009 6:28:26 PM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: FromLori

Dictatorial Presidency and government - a true thugocracy...


21 posted on 12/06/2009 6:29:53 PM PST by piytar (Go Away RNC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: FromLori

When everyone has to cut down a tree to keep warm next winter, I hope everyone remembers who is responsible on election day.


22 posted on 12/06/2009 6:30:13 PM PST by depressed in 06 (ZerOcare: Bureaucratic best practices equals death panels.)
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To: enduserindy

My memory is bad.

Please give me a list of EPA acts that have been reversed.


23 posted on 12/06/2009 6:30:33 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: driftdiver
They are finally taxing breathing

It could be worse. At least inhaling will still be tax-free.

24 posted on 12/06/2009 6:31:28 PM PST by Maceman
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To: depressed in 06

No.

They will ban burning of wood for the same reason: co2.

You might read this:

http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/84/4/1138


25 posted on 12/06/2009 6:34:30 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: FromLori

If CO2 is a “dangerous pollutant,” human beings are “dangerous polluters.”

What, therefore, do they plan to do to us?


26 posted on 12/06/2009 6:39:26 PM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: FromLori
"I CAN'T BREATH!!!"

(Obammy pins a medal on my chest)
27 posted on 12/06/2009 6:43:27 PM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: driftdiver

Taxing sunshine and breathing.

It was only a matter of time.


28 posted on 12/06/2009 6:48:56 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: B Knotts
Haven't you ever seen the loons protests?
29 posted on 12/06/2009 6:50:38 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

This is the direct fault of the many Congresses who have created dozens of alphabet agencies and given them the ability to create law.


30 posted on 12/06/2009 6:51:25 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: old curmudgeon
They will ban burning of wood for the same reason: co2.

I have no doubt they will ban the cutting and burning of trees, but, there will be nothing they can do about it because of the numbers involved in disobedience and besides it's cold. What's ObOzO going to do, give a read. Nobody will hear him without power. F*ck him.

31 posted on 12/06/2009 7:10:34 PM PST by depressed in 06 (Tea parties now, Lexington next.)
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To: FromLori

A concerted effort by CEOs could bring the EPA and rats to their knees. The CEOs would issue an ultimatum. If the EPA imposes these regulations, production and employment will be moved en mass to other locations without these restrictions. How would Obama react? He might direct the Justice department to throw the CEOs in jail.


32 posted on 12/06/2009 7:11:52 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: FromLori
obeycarbaonmafia
33 posted on 12/06/2009 7:36:25 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: FromLori

34 posted on 12/06/2009 7:37:02 PM PST by Seadog Bytes (OPM - The Liberal 'solution' to every societal problem. (Other People's Money))
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To: Twotone

You know, there really are Democrats who work hard for their money and try to at least keep even. They aren’t going to ignore the steady flow of their future going down the drain over the last year. I hope this administration keeps the hits coming - so long as they can be tied up in Congress and the courts until November.

I predict that Obama is going to have the longest “lame duck” period in office ever - about two years.


35 posted on 12/06/2009 7:49:42 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: businessprofessor

“...production and employment will be moved en mass to other locations without these restrictions.”

You don’t think that this is happening now? A lot of businesses that can do so are heading for the exits. It isn’t even an issue of “lower labor costs” anymore...it’s an issue of survival.


36 posted on 12/06/2009 7:52:30 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: old curmudgeon

If I have to I can find where some regulations were rolled back by Bush 2. I remeber the big fuss about some water regulations and stationary co2 producers but in general not much. The Nopenhagen deal is an inescapable welfare trap where the only way out is for the welfare recipients to let us out. We’ll do better with the EPA than that.


37 posted on 12/06/2009 7:55:57 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: The Great RJ
Let the EPA try to enforce this stuff and Congress will get an earful.

Yeah 'cause Kongress seems to be listening to their constituients.... I mean we managed to stop the House from passing Cap n tax and 0bamacare, and we stopped the House and Senate from passing the bailouts and Porkulus.

They may get an earful, and then they'll continue about their merry way. More than likely the interns that answers the phone and move emails from "inbox" to "deleted" will bear the brunt of it.

Not saying we should do nothing, but they're not listening no matter what we say.

38 posted on 12/06/2009 8:00:18 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: enduserindy
I remeber the big fuss about some water regulations...

IIRC the water regulations were concerning arsenic levels and were signed by Klintoon toward the end of his term. Bush got elected and [after he was sworn in] we were blasted with commercials of children claiming the President [Bush] wanted them to die because he was poisoning their water.

39 posted on 12/06/2009 8:04:22 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: enduserindy

I think that I saw where the courts ruled that EPA had the power but had gone about it the wrong way.

I just skimmed it so I make no claims that I am correct and informed.

I am not.

But the EPA has been given so much power by congress that they are totally out of control and accountable to no one.

Witness the polar bear thing.

5 times and almost 6 times as many bears now as theire were just a few years ago, yet the scam continues that they are an endangered species.


40 posted on 12/06/2009 8:19:01 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: FromLori

The EPA may be forced to prove carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant in court.


41 posted on 12/06/2009 9:03:24 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: Mike Darancette
“The EPA may be forced to prove carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant in court.”

And, may I add, the EPA is subject to the Data Quality Act and the FOI Act.

42 posted on 12/06/2009 11:57:38 PM PST by steveab (When was the last time someone tried to sell you a CO2 induced climate control system for your home?)
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To: Dick Bachert
...but I have until 2012 2010 to think of it.
43 posted on 12/07/2009 12:07:21 AM PST by MetaThought
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To: FromLori
Crazy environmental regulations and taxes are the main reason manufacturing is going overseas. Yes, slave labor is important in making cheap junk, but dumping everything imaginable into lakes, rivers, the soil and air is the bigger short-term treasure saver.

We should have required China, Mexico, India and others to meet a basic reasonable environmental standard before we traded with them. Is it now too late?

44 posted on 12/07/2009 4:13:41 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (There is no "O" in Transparency.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

If nothing else we could have at least made sure the “free trade” was FAIR TRADE it certainly was not by any stretch of the imagination from the get go it was designed to screw Americans for for what Poisonous Zhou Zhou crap!

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1701-The-Requisite-Poison-Toy-Scare.html


45 posted on 12/07/2009 7:31:13 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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