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Illustrations of Ancient Humans Skew Facts - BTMS Gets it Wrong Again
Institute for Creation Research ^ | Dec. 7, 2009 | Brian Thomas

Posted on 12/07/2009 2:23:10 AM PST by Natural Law

Museums and textbooks often use artistic renderings to estimate what a fossilized animal or plant may have looked like when it was alive. These images by “paleoartists” put flesh and faces on skeletal structures, and they can influence public perception of early human history more than the actual science—particularly in regards to human evolution.

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"In other words, if Deak had depicted these creatures with light skin, normal lips..."

Thomas contends that the selection of dark features adapted to equatorial climates are not "normal". Sounds like a pretty racist conclusion to me.

1 posted on 12/07/2009 2:23:11 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
The clear message is conveyed, without a spoken word, that humans evolved from dark-skinned, hairy, wide-nosed creatures with sloped foreheads and jutting jowls.

Oh, the horror!

You would thing that Deak would have watched an episode or two of the Flintstones before creating his renderings or early humans.

2 posted on 12/07/2009 2:54:28 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

So NIxon was a throwback?


3 posted on 12/07/2009 3:04:18 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Natural Law

And dont forget, they had molars! That means they were used to eating berries and roots!

And that sharp rock nearby? They used that to skin wild animals they trapped with sticks because they didn’t have bows and arrows yet!

And that fossilized twine? That was used to tie flint to another stick to form a crude spear!

And, they obviously dressed like Fred Flintstone, walked hunched over and were barefoot in the snow


4 posted on 12/07/2009 5:03:38 AM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Natural Law
Museums and textbooks often use artistic renderings to estimate what a fossilized animal or plant may have looked like when it was alive.

What is this guy talking about? We already have living fossils in our midst that could serve as a model for the appearance of our ancestors.

Someone please cue up a photo of Helen Thomas.

5 posted on 12/07/2009 5:10:52 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: Natural Law

The whole idea of pushing evolution requires a lot of creative art work.


6 posted on 12/07/2009 5:34:53 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: RoadTest

my brother is a neanderthal


7 posted on 12/07/2009 7:05:09 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (God bless)
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To: Natural Law

Its “Snap You Finger Time” again.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 7:10:27 AM PST by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Look who is posting our threads for us. The Creation Opposition Groupies (COGs) must really be desperate for attention.


9 posted on 12/07/2009 8:24:14 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Natural Law

If Brian Thomas were a doctor, and you went to him because you were sick, he’d say, “Well, we don’t want to assume anything about germs. I’ll need to test your humors, bleed you, and check your house for miasmas first.”


10 posted on 12/07/2009 8:42:15 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Natural Law
Come now, the only “selection” made was by the artist and that on the basis of his own beliefs only.

The artist certainly has a right to claim the necessity of using artistic license but not to portray it as fact.

11 posted on 12/07/2009 9:23:28 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change; ColdWater; xcamel; ElectricStrawberry; metmom; Buck W.; wagglebee
"Come now, the only “selection” made was by the artist and that on the basis of his own beliefs only."

The selection of pigmentation and shape of the nose was based upon sound scientific evidence and scientific principles. BTMS said they weren't "normal" because "normal" people have narrow noses, thin lips, and light skin. I suppose it is difficult to see blacks as "normal" human beings when peering through eye holes cut into a pillow case.

It is ironic to see how the YEC posse has to straddle the line that divides good from evil depending on who is doing the posting. Had this statement been attributed to Carles Darwin or even Margret Sanger (an equally abhorrent human being) GGG would have already had a dozen posts about it.

12 posted on 12/07/2009 9:41:18 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: count-your-change

Be sure to check for plagiarism.


13 posted on 12/07/2009 10:02:53 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts; count-your-change
"Be sure to check for plagiarism."

And while you are at it don't forget copyright violation and violations of the ADA.

14 posted on 12/07/2009 10:09:58 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
Oh, I forgot...

For the record, this post is being posted in News/Activism by the express permission of Jim Robinson, founder and owner of Free Republic: “Debate on church doctrine and or threads on specific religious matters may be best posted in the religion forum, but the defense of religious freedom, especially against those who wish to deprive us of same belongs front and center on FR....They banned God and prayer and creationism from public schools and public places, but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR!” —Jim Robinson http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2203455/posts?page=78#78

15 posted on 12/07/2009 10:15:50 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
The brutish Neanderthal, the striding but footless Lucy, the dark skinned and hairy Ardi, the Millennium Man, etc. are all creations of the artists just as the creatures themselves are the creations of the paleontologists.

Looking at a bone that one says is millions of years old tells nothing about skin color or hair covering. and one only has to track the changes in facial features attributed to Neanderthals to see the amount of interpretation of these scientific evidences and principles.

I can't agree with much of Thomas’ conclusions but really! PILLOW CASE WITH EYEHOLES????

Is that sort of comment not just what you complain about?

16 posted on 12/07/2009 10:21:40 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Natural Law
YOU got it wrong...it's not BTMS...it's BTMS*....get it correct next time!!
17 posted on 12/07/2009 10:27:02 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Natural Law

Oops...I got it wrong...there’s no asterisk on this one.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 10:31:33 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Natural Law; GodGunsGuts
The plagiarisms thing I'll leave between you and GGG until either explains the circumstances. But I do recall charges of copyright violations made by a poster and I noticed no has come to demand placement in the Religion section.
Curious that.

Nor do you add profanity to the keywords, “bovinescat” being a stand in.
The ADA and the IDA, both real money makers, those.

19 posted on 12/07/2009 10:33:25 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The Yabba Dabba Doers don’t want to admit that Moses didn’t look lik Charleston Heston or Jesus look like a fashion model.
They lived in the middle east and looked like modern Egyptians and Palestinians.

If you don’t face those facts, then you are the racists.


20 posted on 12/07/2009 10:52:01 AM PST by Wacka
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To: count-your-change
"PILLOW CASE WITH EYEHOLES"

That was "allegorical". rim-shot! Thank you, Thank, you. I'll be here all week. Be sure and tip your waiters........

21 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:49 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
To look it over:

depicted mankind as having emerged, Darwinian style, from a hairy, ape-like ancestor.

It's reasonable to say that we, as a species, had more hair than we do now (some of us retain much of that hair too).....more reasonable to say that Australopithecus did. Hair has function.

Deak’s images accompany the Wired article, showing semi-human faces that have distinctly human eyes.

Oh no!!!! Human ancestors has...OYG.....human eyes!!! Stop the presses!!!

Deak thoroughly studied the skeletal features of the creatures he was rendering, and his reconstructions of Homo ergaster and Homo heidelbergensis appear to match known fossil skull proportions for those extinct varieties of man.

BUT BUT BUT....THERE SHOULD BE NO EXTINCT VARIETIES OF MAN!!!! We were created "as is"...right? BTMS is slipping.

But the soft parts are interpretive, since these were not preserved in fossilized form.

Yes, BTMS....muscle does not preserve well. So, the depictions should have? Fatter cheecks? Cleft chin?

The clear message is conveyed, without a spoken word, that humans evolved from dark-skinned, hairy, wide-nosed creatures with sloped foreheads and jutting jowls.

OK....just remember, YOU said it, not me.

But the skin color, size of the nose and lips, and amount of hair are not supported by science, only assumed by evolution.

Evolution does not assume any such thing. It's reational to assume skin color, and based on measurements of the skull, it's rational to assume facial features.

....but think BTMS would be up in arms no matter what it looked like.

OYG!!! The images are soooo lifelike!!! ...because they really paid for 2-D Fred Freakin' Flintstone. Get a grip, BTMS.

In other words, if Deak had depicted these creatures with light skin, normal lips, human beard growth patterns, and Roman noses or Oriental eyes, they would have been just as valid, scientifically. But that wouldn’t fit with the evolutionary story.

...and why would they have lighter skin?? Do you have a problem with being the ancestors of "darker-skinned" humans?

Define "normal lips"....do People with big lips have "abnormal lips" or do you not want to be associated with those that have big lips? They weren't "Romans"...are you afraid to be associated with big-nosed people?...or Orientals...so early Man all had slant-eyes?

By these scientists’ own admission, they were just extinct varieties of man, which is exactly the interpretation that follows from the biblical creation model.3

There you go again, BTMS.....did I miss the part of Genesis that talks about "extinct varieties of Man"? The part where God made Man...but screwed up and then made Man again...but screwed up again and then made Man again and FINALLY got it right with Romanesque, small-nosed, slant-eyed, whitey?

while the evidence for the unique creation of man is in the rocks and in the world for all to see.

No, it's not, BTMS.

22 posted on 12/07/2009 11:02:04 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Natural Law

So, this is “defending religious freedom”??


23 posted on 12/07/2009 11:03:21 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Natural Law

BTW, notice the image at the top of the article? Is that a modern human skeleton? Here I thought he was talking about ancient skeletons.


24 posted on 12/07/2009 11:06:09 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: GodGunsGuts

6 year olds love “cutesy little names” to call people... But in your case it would be insulting 6 year olds.


25 posted on 12/07/2009 11:17:46 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Natural Law

How about... BTMSGIWET!


26 posted on 12/07/2009 11:19:13 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
"So, this is “defending religious freedom”??"

I don't think so, I was kind of wondering about that myself, but I think it is supposed to go with every citation of BTMS* and ICR. Descended from monkey see - descended from monkey do.

27 posted on 12/07/2009 11:21:44 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: xcamel

I’m sorry you feel so insulted.


28 posted on 12/07/2009 11:23:30 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: ElectricStrawberry
"There you go again, BTMS.....did I miss the part of Genesis that talks about "extinct varieties of Man"?"

I think BTMS and GGG have the Madonna Complex (not that one, the one with her hair having black roots). Not to belabor the point but isn't is a little oxymoronic (or simply moronic) for BTMS to be irritated at an early hominid ancestor being depicted as black if he wasn't accepting the ancestry and denying his roots were black?

29 posted on 12/07/2009 11:29:21 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts; All
“GGG admits he’s a fraud & professional troll”

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9hp52/whats_the_best_scam_youve_ever_pulled/c0ctjz8

30 posted on 12/07/2009 11:36:33 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: trumandogz
You would thing that Deak would have watched an episode or two of the Flintstones before creating his renderings or early humans.

LOL...honestly...I'm laughing out loud!
31 posted on 12/07/2009 11:37:39 AM PST by 762X51
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To: xcamel

Already been tried, xcamel. But it does go to show how desperate your fellow evo-trolls are to take me down. Thankfully, not everyone is as easily (or should I say voluntarily?) hoodwinked as you are. Or perhaps maybe you are behind this whole effort? I wouldn’t put it past you, given your inverted moral code.


32 posted on 12/07/2009 11:45:46 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel

Show me the bunny!


33 posted on 12/07/2009 11:49:58 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

The IP pointed straight back to you... why don’t you just admit it. They say confession is good for the soul...


34 posted on 12/07/2009 1:39:55 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

Then you must have been looking in the mirror. I know it’s tough with all those snakes, and centipedes, and rotting teeth to look at.


35 posted on 12/07/2009 1:53:18 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

You ever consider a career in comedy?


36 posted on 12/07/2009 2:00:12 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel; GodGunsGuts
"You ever consider a career in comedy?"

Read his books (if you can find one).

37 posted on 12/07/2009 3:47:26 PM PST by Natural Law (.)
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To: Natural Law

38 posted on 12/07/2009 3:52:16 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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