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Lego gun reaction shows conditioned views on armed citizens(Canada)
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 5 December, 2009 | David Codrea

Posted on 12/07/2009 3:47:11 AM PST by marktwain

There's been a SWAT raid in Toronto over a gun scare, and designer Jeremy Bell was temporarily held at gunpoint. Per the Toronto Sun:

The partner at digital marketing company Teehan+Lax was surrounded by heavily armed tactical officers, cuffed and held against the wall of his Richmond St. W. office -- until, that is, the cops found the gun he had been holding in front of the window about 90 minutes earlier was a pile of blocks.

The BrickGun Semi-Automatic gun (purchased online from BrickGun, "designers and builders of the world's most realistic custom Lego weapon models") arrived at Bell's office Wednesday.

Here is Bell's account of what happened. You get some idea of the level of response the report of a man with a gun prompted, complete with air support:

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; canada; codrea; donutwatch; examiner; gun; lego
The society is going insane.
1 posted on 12/07/2009 3:47:11 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
A co-worker said she saw at least 6 SWAT, 2 uniformed officers, 2 undercover and a chopper in the air. I’ve since been told that the surrounding streets were blocked off with five cop cars in total, two ambulances, and a dozen cops all taking positions of cover around the office.

The guy is lucky he wasn't taken out by these yahoos. That is just ridiculous. How does something like this even happen?

2 posted on 12/07/2009 3:59:16 AM PST by Always Right
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To: marktwain
Sweet...I need one!
3 posted on 12/07/2009 4:01:12 AM PST by notsofastmyfriend (I love lamp!)
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To: marktwain
Looks like this.
4 posted on 12/07/2009 4:02:40 AM PST by n230099 ("Lettin folks in DC watch your money's like lettin a dog watch yer food". (Unknown))
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To: marktwain

Coming to an Obamanation near you.


5 posted on 12/07/2009 4:13:21 AM PST by samtheman
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To: marktwain

I would be willing to “bet the farm” on the fact that the person who called police was a female.

They know instinctively that guns are dangerous and will kill you all by themselves. Don’t believe it? Just set a gun on a table and ask an average female to pick it up.

Proof will be in the pudding. (Of course there are exceptions...like Sarah Palin)


6 posted on 12/07/2009 4:14:07 AM PST by DH (The government writes no bill that does not line the pockets of special interests.)
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To: DH

The idiots in our nations capital, but mostly the media, have done a brilliant job of making guns the demons.


7 posted on 12/07/2009 4:21:08 AM PST by Jerrybob
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To: DH
No, the previous accounts mentioned the neighbor by name. Biologically, it was a male, who was quoted as saying something like "I don't like guns around me...".

Oh, and I believe the wuss "Tweeted" a lame apology.

8 posted on 12/07/2009 4:24:35 AM PST by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: DH

They know instinctively that guns are dangerous and will kill you all by themselves. Don’t believe it? Just set a gun on a table and ask an average female to pick it up.

&&&

That’s a little harsh, don’t you think? I am a woman, and I would be a little shaky in the scenario you paint. But not because I think the gun will kill you buy itself but because I might accidently kill someone. Guns are dangerous — in the hands of the inexperienced. Therefore, it would be irresponsible of me to pick up your hypothetical gun unless I have been properly trained.

Most women, especially in my generation, have had no experience with hunting and, thus, no reason to learn about guns. Wouldn’t you rather have us hesitant about picking up that gun until we have had some safety lessons?

BTW, I plan to learn, and I am confident that I will be a pretty good shot and not be such a fraidy cat.


9 posted on 12/07/2009 4:27:40 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Bigg Red

buy = by


10 posted on 12/07/2009 4:29:13 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: marktwain

Is it a capital offense to say the word “gun” in Canada yet?


11 posted on 12/07/2009 5:06:43 AM PST by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Always Right
A co-worker said she saw at least 6 SWAT, 2 uniformed officers, 2 undercover and a chopper in the air. I’ve since been told that the surrounding streets were blocked off with five cop cars in total, two ambulances, and a dozen cops all taking positions of cover around the office.

Back when I was a kid a street cop would have entered the building and investigated then left His report would have been - “nothing more than childrens lego blocks”.

When I was 12 I use to return pop bottles and get the 2¢ deposit. Then go to Montgomery Wards and buy a box of .22 shells. Hold my .22 rifle on my handle bars all the way out to the stone quarry and have a little target practice.

12 posted on 12/07/2009 5:10:36 AM PST by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: Bigg Red
I am a woman, and I would be a little shaky in the scenario you paint.

Take a basic gun safety class. Replace fear with healthy respect.
You don't need to own a gun to do this.
It's always good to know how to handle a gun safely, how to shoot (or not) and how to unload it.
You may choose for yourself not have a gun, that's fine, but not knowing how to use a gun will not protect you.
Imagine if you have to pick up a gun to prevent someone else from grabbing it.
Wouldn't you prefer to know how, instead of being paralyzed by fear?
13 posted on 12/07/2009 5:33:46 AM PST by BitWielder1
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To: chainsaw

“Air support” required to handle a man with a pistol....

words fail me.


14 posted on 12/07/2009 5:35:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Bigg Red

I hate to say it, but that generalization would be true with most of the women I’ve known, in my family, friends, virtually all I’ve dated. That it’s not true for you makes you a rare exception...marry me?


15 posted on 12/07/2009 5:37:55 AM PST by GBA
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To: DH
...Of course there are exceptions...

And my wife, hehehehehe!

16 posted on 12/07/2009 5:39:44 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Charles Martel

“I don’t like [hammers, pliers, screwdrivers, powersaws, drills, crowbars, or any other tool] around me...” quoth the metro-...


17 posted on 12/07/2009 5:41:00 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: marktwain

I remember saying something like this after 9/11 when I said people at all levels of government had been conditioning us to be scared little sheep. But, people said I was a kook an we needed to just trust the government to take care of us.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 5:43:24 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist.)
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To: DH
Just set a gun on a table and ask an average female to pick it up.

If by average female you mean one untrained in firearms then it is the height of intellegence for her to not want to pick it up.

Only a complete idiot will pick up a firearm if they feel they lack the training and knowlege to do so safely. Unfortunatly the 'average guy' does it all the time. And more than a few of them have an ND because they have too much pride to ask for knowlege, help, or training.
19 posted on 12/07/2009 5:44:08 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Bigg Red
Most women, especially in my generation...

What is your generation? Are you in your 20's, thus a Millenial?

20 posted on 12/07/2009 5:45:44 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist.)
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To: TalonDJ

Rule #2: Always keep your finger off the trigger.

How hard is this?


21 posted on 12/07/2009 5:47:19 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist.)
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To: Bigg Red
Most women, especially in my generation, have had no experience with hunting and, thus, no reason to learn about guns. Wouldn’t you rather have us hesitant about picking up that gun until we have had some safety lessons?

Exactly. More than once I have read local news stories of accidental shootings. Almost all of them have a male boyfreind, father, or uncle handling someone else's gun. He usually claims he was 'cleaning it for her'. At least two of the articles (in less than year) noted he was unfamiliar with the firearm. Reading the subtext it is pretty clear some woman had a guy she may or may not have known how to use and some guy in her life pulled a 'let me show you how it is done' on a firearm he knew nothing about. Fortunatly both times the guy shot one of his own body parts and not someone else's.

While it is no doubt true that many women have an unreasonable fear of firearms it is also true that many/most untrained males don't show them the proper care and respect (the guns, not the women).
22 posted on 12/07/2009 5:49:30 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: MichiganConservative

Not hard at all, except many people don’t do it. And it is far from all you need to handle an unfamiliar firearm.


23 posted on 12/07/2009 5:50:22 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Bigg Red

Take a gun safety class.

Buy a gun you are comfortable with. Take marksmanship classes and practice, practice, practice.

You should respect a weapon but never fear it, fear leads to mistakes.

BTW, woman take to shooting faster than men. Before you know it, you will be better than most of the men that you know.


24 posted on 12/07/2009 5:53:25 AM PST by dangerdoc
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To: TalonDJ

What firearms are these people using? Most revolvers work the same. Most semiautos pistols work the same.

They probably forget Rule #1: Never point it at anything you don’t want to destroy.

Morons. Pride before the(ir) fall.


25 posted on 12/07/2009 5:54:30 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist.)
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To: MichiganConservative
Rule #2: Always keep your finger off the trigger. How hard is this?

Harder than you'd think. That's where the finger goes naturally for someone not trained.
The first thing you learn gun safety class is the drill:
#1 Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
#2 Keep the finger off the trigger.
There is more, but those two are the most important.
26 posted on 12/07/2009 6:01:31 AM PST by BitWielder1
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To: DH

Shimmer is another exception!


27 posted on 12/07/2009 6:21:17 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: MichiganConservative

I thought that was rule 2.
Rule one is “all guns are always loaded”.


28 posted on 12/07/2009 6:22:27 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

I was quoting this page:

http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp


29 posted on 12/07/2009 6:27:47 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist.)
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To: MichiganConservative
Millenial?

***
LOL! No millennial here. I’m a boomer

30 posted on 12/07/2009 6:30:13 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: MichiganConservative

I went and looked it up myself. The nra has some different rule order from “jeff cooper’s rules”.
RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET (and what’s beyond)

The funny thing is, I JUST attended a training class, sponsored by the NRA, and with certified NRA instructors, and they used the above rules/order.


31 posted on 12/07/2009 6:30:22 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB

I bet the NRA and Cooper had different ideas about what is a rule and what’s a basic assumption.

I always assume that a gun is loaded until I visually inspect it and prove that it is not or unload it.

At all times, even after I’ve unloaded it, I practice safe gun handling because doing otherwise would lead to sloppiness that could hurt someone.


32 posted on 12/07/2009 6:42:43 AM PST by MichiganConservative (I wouldn't hate the government if it didn't exist.)
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To: Bigg Red

I agree with the others that say you should take a gun safety class, find a gun that is comfortable for you and practice. Heck, I’m a boomer too and just passed my CCW test a few months ago along with my best friend (a retired USAF Medic) and her husband. With all that is going on in the world these days, it would be foolish not to be prepared to defend yourself.


33 posted on 12/07/2009 7:13:31 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: TalonDJ
ND

I'm guessing you mean negligent discharge. I agree with you. There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. All of them can be chalked up to negligence at some point.

34 posted on 12/07/2009 7:31:01 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: ravingnutter

With all that is going on in the world these days, it would be foolish not to be prepared to defend yourself.

***
I agree with you completely, which is why it’s on my to-do list for the new year.


35 posted on 12/07/2009 8:53:44 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Bigg Red
... it’s on my to-do list for the new year.

A new convert! Delightful! Welcome to the club!
36 posted on 12/07/2009 9:57:22 AM PST by BitWielder1
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To: IYAS9YAS

There are a very tiny number that are due to actual mechanical failures. But most of those are due to poor gunsmithing or manufacture. You are right that nearly everything people call an ‘accident’ are events of negligence.


37 posted on 12/07/2009 10:17:35 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: TalonDJ

What is an “ND” Talon?


38 posted on 12/07/2009 7:58:42 PM PST by bobaloobob
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To: bobaloobob

See post 19.


39 posted on 12/08/2009 5:16:55 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: MrB

>“I don’t like [hammers, pliers, screwdrivers, powersaws, drills, crowbars, or any other tool] around me...” quoth the metro-...

Nothing says ‘shut-up’ to a metro, or most people, like a tire-iron to the face. ;)


40 posted on 12/08/2009 1:19:57 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

>I’m guessing you mean negligent discharge. I agree with you. There is no such thing as an accidental discharge. All of them can be chalked up to negligence at some point.

I disagree, a weapons malfunction can cause an accidental discharge that is not negligent. Such malfunctions are rare, but should be recognized as existing.


41 posted on 12/08/2009 1:23:52 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Such malfunctions are rare, but should be recognized as existing.

And the malfunction is due to?

At some point, someone didn't do what he or she was supposed to do, either with maintenance or quality control.

It may not be the firearm owner's fault, but it could be chalked up to negligence up the line.

Think SKS and slam-fire. Piss-poor negligent design leads to unwanted effect.

42 posted on 12/08/2009 1:31:13 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: IYAS9YAS

>At some point, someone didn’t do what he or she was supposed to do, either with maintenance or quality control.

But that is NOT negligence on part of the [weapon’s] operator, which is integral to the definition of “negligent discharge.”

Furthermore, even with quality-control it is possible to have a single defective item slip past.


43 posted on 12/08/2009 1:51:25 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
But that is NOT negligence on part of the [weapon’s] operator, which is integral to the definition of “negligent discharge.”

I see your point. In my original post, I had it in mind that ND was specific to the operator, but I wasn't explicit.

44 posted on 12/08/2009 2:11:53 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: TalonDJ

I’d of never guessed ...thanks


45 posted on 12/08/2009 2:49:38 PM PST by bobaloobob
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To: TalonDJ

I’d of never guessed ...thanks


46 posted on 12/08/2009 2:51:38 PM PST by bobaloobob
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To: marktwain

Yes...it is Marktwain

But nobody physically opposes it...that’s such a shame nobody gets their feathers ruffled anymore.

These LE’s are just following orders ...programed to get a paycheck and they will kill you if you disobey and their office will high-five ‘em and....well they are just so f**king dumb.Because they have a family too..but live for the moment.

OTH..citizens are the dumbest (you and I)because we don’t sacrifice our lives for integrity(for the truth)...we are afraid.The Word of GOD says,”I’ve not been born again,of a spirit of FEAR...but of LOVE,POWER,and a Sound mind....in God..there is no fear.

I see people on here talk about fighting for “OUR RIGHTS”(and the old fat men would rather go to a tea party)...and their spirit is willing but their flesh is weak

They say.”well, I’ve gotta go to work now on monday...but maybe I can make it on the next go around ya know...I gotta make a living.”

What old lazy men don’t realize is... that old men are the ones that will have to move first...and it won’t be a Tea Party.

A Tea Party nowadays is just a social gathering to listen to politicians that are there to B*LLSH*T you into casting a vote for them....they can not HELP YOU. YOU have to do it YOURSELVES...Will you die in this endevour for freedom against your Federal monster Government that you created.

Probaly! What’s it’s worth to you? Are you that selfish?
Actions speak louder than words.

For gun enthusiasts..that use all those acronyms and gibberish “Weapontry talk” (science sh*t)&(at the Range)To make people think you know your sh*t...You ain’t sh*t..ting
NOBODY!(I take that back...you could be helping someone) forgive me,Maybe a weener.

The mind is greater than a thing.My Dad taught me safety with a gun at(13 yrs old) and no it has not changed!I taught
my son...he taught his sons and daughters and there’s nothing else to teach. now..”Self defense” is in the soul of man.

If you wanta do target practice and (well) get technical stuff...hey? Are you guys selling a service? OOPS! Sorry!

Didn’t mean to get into your “climate change” presentation..and I’m backing off stage... tipping hat to you!

You must be a wantabe COP.Safety w/a gun is simply and not hard.


47 posted on 12/08/2009 6:35:37 PM PST by bobaloobob
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