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Charges against Blacksburg mother dismissed
WDBJ7 ^ | December 7, 2009 | Not referenced

Posted on 12/07/2009 10:15:22 AM PST by sevinufnine

Mary Parks was charged in the death of her son back in September of 2007. Parks' nearly two-year-old son died of heat stroke after being left in his mother's car.

Authorities say Parks went to pick her child up from daycare, but its staff told her the child was not there. That's when she found the toddler unresponsive in the back seat of the car.

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Parks' was charged with involuntary manslaughter and felony child neglect. But on Monday, the charges were dismissed. According to the Commonwealth's Attorney, there wasn't enough evidence to proceed.
1 posted on 12/07/2009 10:15:23 AM PST by sevinufnine
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To: sevinufnine

This local story sickens me. Um...you’d think the DEAD CHILD would be evidence enough????


2 posted on 12/07/2009 10:16:08 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: sevinufnine

If she cared about the child what would these charges mean on top of the death of her child?


3 posted on 12/07/2009 10:18:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Because if she CARED in the least that child would have been 1st thing on her mind and not forgotten to die along in the heat trapped in it’s carseat. I have 2 grown kids and I never managed to “forget” where I left them. Not once.

Does this mean all people who leave kids in cars to die shouldn’t be charged????


4 posted on 12/07/2009 10:19:51 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: sevinufnine

Sending her to prison isn’t going to help anything. Trust me, she’s paying for it.


5 posted on 12/07/2009 10:21:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: driftdiver

Actually, you bring a good point to mind. If you think a mother’s “sorry” is enough punishment, think of the can of worms you are opening~! Wouldn’t that have been perfect for Casey Anthony? She should have simply left Caylee in the car all day or night and come out acting sooooo upset. Charges dropped (if you had your way)....and off she’d have gone after her “Beautiful Life”. Right??? sound OK to you?


6 posted on 12/07/2009 10:22:29 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: AppyPappy

not as much as the child did.


7 posted on 12/07/2009 10:22:55 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: sevinufnine

Being sorry for it has nothing to do with it. Sending her to prison won’t accomplish anything and it won’t keep society safe from her.

No need to get insulting.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 10:25:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AppyPappy

Awesome!!!

Say, I really, REALLY feel bad about all those dead hookers in shallow graves out back.

But, I’m really, REALLY paying for it.

So, I’m good to go. Right?


9 posted on 12/07/2009 10:25:43 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: driftdiver

You completely FAIL to miss one or more of the aspects of incarceration:

Punishment: She gets to go to jail for her crime AGAINST SOCIETY. That she feels bad about it doesn’t matter.

Deterrance: Sending people to jail deters OTHERS from committing the same crime (or, to some, making the same “mistake”).


10 posted on 12/07/2009 10:29:28 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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To: driftdiver

Word around the street is she got off easy due to ties she has with local gov’t. It’s well discussed around the VA Tech area (same town). Call it insulting if you wish, but one is only insulted if they can see they are wrong and don’t like it.


11 posted on 12/07/2009 10:29:40 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: AppyPappy

But isn’t that a form of neglect? She shouldn’t get off without paying any consequences.


12 posted on 12/07/2009 10:30:16 AM PST by derllak
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To: SJSAMPLE

Thanks Appy Pappy..someone with a mind :>)


13 posted on 12/07/2009 10:30:30 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: sevinufnine
That's when she found the toddler unresponsive in the back seat of the car.

Ok, all my "children" have 4 legs but, how do you "forget" that your child is in the backseat???

14 posted on 12/07/2009 10:32:16 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: SJSAMPLE

Correct..and my irritation is the fact charges were dropped, not that she should have been jailed as another poster erroneous assumed.

Originally, she was on house arrest since she had several other children. THAT I WAS OK WITH. But to drop the charges? NO, I’m not OK with that. House arrest or at least should have been the sentence.


15 posted on 12/07/2009 10:34:11 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: AppyPappy
According to the Commonwealth's Attorney, there wasn't enough evidence to proceed.

Not enough evidence to proceed?!?! The evidence is that she left her child in a car. That's all the evidence you need!

This is nothing but legal murder. Murder that gets swept under the rug. Murder that we'll look the other way for. Murder that is socially approved. Anybody defending this makes me sick.

16 posted on 12/07/2009 10:37:01 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Yes sir, me too. I gotta go back to work..lunch over, but I simply had to post this because it’s a slap in the face of justice AND her poor dead child.

The only thing I’ve ever left behind in my car would be an empty driver’s seat (and car seat when it applied :>)


17 posted on 12/07/2009 10:40:38 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: derllak

How much are you willing to pay to punish her? That’s the funny thing about these situations. There had never been a repeat offender. We don’t put people in prison for revenge. We put people in prison to prevent crime. I’m not worried about a repeat offense.

It’s no different from a child that wanders out of the house and drowns in a pool while the mother is taking a nap? Are you going to punish her for taking a nap?

Mary and other moms who have experienced this have formed a network to raise awareness of the issue. Would you care to relive this every day so that you can help prevent it? Not me.
Everyone says the worst thing that can happen is the death of your child. Not true. The worst thing that can happen is for you to be responsible for the death of your child.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 10:42:24 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

“Sending her to prison isn’t going to help anything. Trust me, she’s paying for it.”

Some how I don’t believe this, I have seen first hand how quit a few mothers have no natural affection for their own offspring.


19 posted on 12/07/2009 10:44:04 AM PST by OldBullrider (if yur hurt, rub some dirt on it, and get back to work)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp

Murder is premeditated or done out of anger. I think the court does need to hear the case and let a judge decide if she has paid for it.

One question is... was she chatting on the phone during the time she thought she dropped her child off at day care?

Bring in the people she knows, is this like her to do things like this? Is she irresponsible?

Was she on medication that would impair her memory?

Was she going through depression, history of anger, abuse etc.?


20 posted on 12/07/2009 10:44:39 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: sevinufnine

Once the courts start to dismiss these types of crimes, more people will use that as a means to hurt their children.
And, if that’s the case - as concerned citizens I guess we
should start getting in the habit of looking in the back of peoples cars.


21 posted on 12/07/2009 10:46:04 AM PST by savage woman
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To: sevinufnine

I have nothing constructive on this topic other than this:

The name ‘Blacksburg’ is highly offensive to me and has racial overtones. We can never move forward as a people or as a nation of healing when such great attempts as naming a city ‘Blacksburg’ is used an attempt to oppress my fellow people of color, some outstanding citizens of color in blacksburg include the like of michael and marcus vick. This portrayal of this comoonity cannot proceed as it is......
Therefore I motion we have a parade and a boycott of the town until it is renamed its proper name.......Caucasionally-disenfranchisedburg. Thank you.

/s


22 posted on 12/07/2009 10:50:13 AM PST by AtlasThugged316 (Who is Edmund Ruffin?)
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To: sevinufnine

Just a successful late term abortion.


23 posted on 12/07/2009 10:50:56 AM PST by the_daug
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To: SJSAMPLE

There is a cost/benefit analysis to be done here. First the crime (or mistake) of carelessness in forgetting a child in a car seat is fairly uncommon and as reasnable people can tell you the unintentional death of a child is it’s own deterrent of a much larger magnitude than prison.

So the benefit to society in deterring other careless parents is minimal compared to the cost of incarcerating for deterrance purposes.

Prisons are pretty much overflowing already so taking up space with someone unlikely to re-offend, since their offense was unintentional in the first place is a waste of resources when there are plenty of intentional criminals who inflict violence on society on a regular basis and are highly likely to re-offend.

I’d rather keep a intentional and violent criminal in for longer than take up space with a non-violent airheaded accidental criminal.

The same argument can be made for the punishment aspect as well. Prison pales in comparison to the death of a child as it’s own punishment, so once again prison is an expensive additional punishment for an accidental offense where there are legions of intentional offenders daily harming society.

If the state is going to show mercy, I’d rather it be to the accidental criminal than the numerous rapists, pedophiles and cop killers they currently seem to favor.


24 posted on 12/07/2009 10:51:37 AM PST by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: sevinufnine

“Call it insulting if you wish, but one is only insulted if they can see they are wrong and don’t like it.”

Nonsense, I could call you a child rapist and you would be right to be offended. under your logic you would be wrong to be offended.


25 posted on 12/07/2009 10:51:43 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SJSAMPLE

“You completely FAIL to miss one or more of the aspects of incarceration:”

And you completely fail to know what the heck you are talking about.

“Punishment: She gets to go to jail for her crime AGAINST SOCIETY. “

If the prosecutor deems that appropriate. perhaps you prefer vigilantes.

“Deterrance: Sending people to jail deters OTHERS from committing the same crime (or, to some, making the same “mistake”).”

So sending her to jail for 3-5 years is more of a deterrent than the death of her child? Sounds like you are the one that FAILS.


26 posted on 12/07/2009 10:53:28 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AppyPappy
"We don’t put people in prison for revenge."

No, but we do put people in prison for punishment.

It’s no different from a child that wanders out of the house and drowns in a pool while the mother is taking a nap? Are you going to punish her for taking a nap?"

Not for taking a nap, but where does negligence enter the picture? Using your scenario, did the mother leave the back door open and the pathway clear to the pool, knowing her child had the capacity to walk or run that distance? What about leaving poisonous cleaners out within reach of the child? What about leaving broken electrical outlets or frayed electrical cords within reach?

Negligence is punishable. Culpable negligence is punishable. From the point where you put the child in the vehicle, you have knowledge of that act. Are you saying the mother didn't know that the child was in the vehicle, that she didn't put the child in the vehicle? Would it be negligence if the mother didn't secure a young child in the seat, left the window down, and the child leaped or fell out the window of the moving car?

Are you saying that these situations cannot be punished for punishment's sake?

27 posted on 12/07/2009 10:54:25 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: Valpal1

Careful, logic seems to warrant an attack on this thread.


28 posted on 12/07/2009 10:54:27 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AppyPappy

I disagree that we put people in prison to prevent crime.
We put them there as punishment FOR a crime. Sad as it is, she neglected her child. That’s a crime.

Then there are people who may find this an easy way to get rid of an unwanted child.

Hey, you could go camping and “lose” your child by “accident”
and get off scot-free. You see where this could set a dangerous precedent?


29 posted on 12/07/2009 10:54:34 AM PST by derllak
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To: Walkingfeather

“One question is... was she chatting on the phone during the time she thought she dropped her child off at day care?”

In most of these cases, there is a change in routine. Most of the impairment involves lack of sleep in these cases.


30 posted on 12/07/2009 10:55:42 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: sevinufnine
Because if she CARED in the least that child would have been 1st thing on her mind and not forgotten to die along in the heat trapped in it’s carseat. I have 2 grown kids and I never managed to “forget” where I left them. Not once.

This is borrowed and paraphrased from a fellow Freeper: "Would you leave a purse or wallet with a million dollars in it unattended in your car?"

I think everyone asked would answer "No.", however, many of these same folks can come up with all sorts of excuses as to why a person shouldn't be held responsible in these cases.

31 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:26 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: AtlasThugged316

The Blacksburg High mascot had to be changed from the Indians to the Bruins a few years back.


32 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:35 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

I believe it....

Absolutely par for the course


34 posted on 12/07/2009 10:59:53 AM PST by AtlasThugged316 (Who is Edmund Ruffin?)
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To: driftdiver
Well, in the military courts, there are five principles for sentencing:

Protection of society from the wrongdoer;

Deterrence of the wrongdoer or those who know of his/her crimes from committing the same or similar offenses,

Rehabilitation of the wrongdoer,

Punishment of the wrongdoer, and

(Applicable to military courts only) Preservation of good order and discipline in the military.

Now, I will grant you that only one principle would apply in a case such as this, and that would be punishment only. I am not saying that hard jail time would be necessary, but rather some punishment should be required ... how about community service in the form of being required to go to post-natal clinics in the area and explaining what occurred to new mothers, to possibly have enough impact on them to ensure that they don't do the same ... or some other community service such as that.

Prison and jail time isn't the only punishment that was available in this situation. But not prosecuting the woman for her negligent act is not the answer either.

35 posted on 12/07/2009 11:00:36 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: driftdiver

No..I would not be offended at all if you called me a child rapist because it’s not true and never will be. Try again....


36 posted on 12/07/2009 11:03:41 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: sevinufnine

Deep thinker eh


37 posted on 12/07/2009 11:06:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sevinufnine

I wonder if the Blacksburg Police even bothered to do a proper investigation? My confidence in that department decreases with every news article released.

For instance: A toddler’s body left in the car in the sun all day would make the car stink of body waste. Did she really not smell anything before arriving at day care?


38 posted on 12/07/2009 11:07:59 AM PST by TaxRelief (I am demoting "Global Warming" from 'theory' to 'deliberate falsehood'.)
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To: derllak

“Hey, you could go camping and “lose” your child by “accident” and get off scot-free.”

So we punish parents for any child that gets lost???
Face it, I can probably point out negligence in the loss of any child. The question is “What do you hope to gain by punishing the person for an accident?”. All it will do is cost us money to house her for a few years. Nothing will change except we will have to release a gang-banger or DWI offender to make room for her. I don’t see what we hope to gain. There was no willful intent so I don’t see what we expect to change.

We have a madman on the loose that killed two college kids just outside of town. I’m worried about that.


39 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: BlueLancer

This woman is already doing similar work on her own to raise awareness of the problem.

Prosecutor’s offices have budgets. Prosecutions cost money. Would you rather have them spend their budget on intentional violent criminals or on non-violent accidental offenders?


40 posted on 12/07/2009 11:10:18 AM PST by Valpal1 (Always be prepared to make that difference.)
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To: BlueLancer

Hmm I read the article and don’t see where this happened in the military. Further the military uses the UCMJ and its members are outside the US Constitution.

With the Navy Seals and Haditha we can see how well the military justice system works.


41 posted on 12/07/2009 11:12:36 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
No, I wasn't insinuating that this was a military offenes. I was simply using the definitions of the principles of sentencing to make a point.

A sentence to punishment for punishment's sake is a valid reasoning for sentencing.

42 posted on 12/07/2009 11:15:18 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: BlueLancer

She’s already doing that on her own. There is a network of people who have done the same thing and they are working on the issue. But there’s isn’t a target audience. People don’t think this will ever happen to them. All they can do is go public and say “It happened to us and it can happen to you”.

One of the freepers in a previous case blamed tinted windows in the back of minivans and SUV’s.


43 posted on 12/07/2009 11:16:31 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: BlueLancer

“A sentence to punishment for punishment’s sake is a valid reasoning for sentencing.”

Yes it is, in some cases it is not needed. These are usually ugly cases with no intent by the parent. If the parent was willfully neglectful then I could see jail time.

If its a case of stupid I don’t see how 5 years in jail time is worse punishment than the loss of a child. Not to mention the cost of keeping this person in jail for those 5 years.

BTW, would you want to be the person picking which rapist, murderer or drug dealer to let out of jail so you have room for this woman?


44 posted on 12/07/2009 11:21:42 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: sevinufnine

” I have 2 grown kids and I never managed to “forget” where I left them. Not once.”

Was it law when they were little that they had to be in a car seat in the rear seat of your car? I think that contributes to a lot/most of these tragedies.


45 posted on 12/07/2009 11:26:26 AM PST by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: AppyPappy

But that’s just it. How do you prove or disprove intent?

We had an incident here just a couple of days ago.
A 15 year old boy went hunting with his dad and his uncle.
Uncle heard a rustle in the bushes and shot his nephew in the back and killed him. It was most likely unintentional.
Should he be punished? I think so.


46 posted on 12/07/2009 11:28:14 AM PST by derllak
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To: AppyPappy; Valpal1; driftdiver

Well, I can see your points and I am making more of a devil’s advocate style of argument for my perception of negligence here. But I still believe that a legal determination of negligence should have been made. But that’s just me ..


47 posted on 12/07/2009 11:28:41 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: driftdiver
"BTW, would you want to be the person picking which rapist, murderer or drug dealer to let out of jail so you have room for this woman?"

No, but that's because I'm not the one who insists that punishment must include jail/prison time. There are all other forms of punishment, to include no punishment other than the conviction itself for negligent homicide. So I don't see a conflict in wanting a legal determination of guilt for negligence and punishment that does not include jail/prison time.

48 posted on 12/07/2009 11:30:54 AM PST by BlueLancer (I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
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To: driftdiver

Here are some other cases I know about:

1. A man is unloading a rifle in his basement. The rifle goes off and kills his daughter in the room above.
2. A man firing an AK-47 at a shooting range misses the target high and the bullet kills a child in a pool at an amusement park a mile away.
3. A man is flying an aircraft, the engine quits, the plane crashes and kills a passenger.

I can prove negligence in all cases even though these were accidents. But there was no intent at all in any case.

I know of another case where a mother left her kids in the car in order to smoke crack. She lost track of time and two of the kids died. I can prove intent to neglect in that case. She knew she was leaving them in the car.


49 posted on 12/07/2009 11:32:34 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Sending her to prison isn’t going to help anything. Trust me, she’s paying for it...

There's a Jewish word, chutzpah...it's often illustrated as a child killing his parents, then throwing himself upon the mercy of the court, because he's an orphan.

Has the word been invented, I wonder, to describe a parent who kills her child through carelessness, then throws herself upon the court/court of public opinion, claiming she's already been punished enough?

Has the word been invented to describe those who peddle this excrement?

It's contemptible...I know there are many so-called adults whose life and world view are composed of "It's all about ME!!!" moments...and they are blind to what I'm saying...

So I say this with as much sadness as anger...it's not just about her.

50 posted on 12/07/2009 11:35:41 AM PST by gogeo (Lefties...making small minded pettiness seem...well, fashionable.)
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