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Historic EPA Finding: Greenhouse gasses harm humans (Just what the "historic president" ordered)
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 12/7/2009 | H. JOSEF HEBERT and DINA CAPPIELLO

Posted on 12/07/2009 7:23:32 PM PST by GVnana

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration took a major step Monday toward imposing the first federal limits on climate-changing pollution from cars, power plants and factories, declaring there was compelling scientific evidence that global warming from manmade greenhouse gases endangers Americans' health.

The announcement by the Environmental Protection Agency was clearly timed to build momentum toward an agreement at the international conference on climate change that opened Monday in Copenhagen, Denmark. It signaled the administration was prepared to push ahead for significant controls in the U.S. if Congress doesn't act first on its own.

The price could be steep for both industry and consumers. The EPA finding clears the way for rules that eventually could force the sale of more fuel-efficient vehicles and require plants to install costly new equipment — at a cost of billions or even many tens of billions of dollars — or shift to other forms of energy.

No analysis has been conducted by the EPA on costs of such broad regulations, although the agency put the price tag of its proposed climate-related car rules at $60 billion, with an estimated benefit of $250 billion.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; bho44; bhoenvironment; bhoepa; bhofascism; bhotyranny; climatechange; climategate; communism; democrats; envirofascism; epa; fascism; globalwarming; liberalfascism; tyranny
Now if they could just get rid of those useless "breathers."
1 posted on 12/07/2009 7:23:32 PM PST by GVnana
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See also: Business Fumes Over Carbon Dioxide Rule:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2402140/posts


2 posted on 12/07/2009 7:26:28 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: GVnana

This just in: OSHA closes all greenhouses.


3 posted on 12/07/2009 7:26:37 PM PST by ThunderSleeps (obama out now! I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom - you can keep the change.)
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To: GVnana

He no longer needs Congress.

His agencies and Czars will just do it for him.


4 posted on 12/07/2009 7:27:46 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: GVnana

This mean I gotta get an environmental impact report before my wife gets pregnant?


5 posted on 12/07/2009 7:28:41 PM PST by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: GVnana

Chuck Schumer and Henry “Nostrils” Waxjob have just sponsored a bill to OUTLAW ALL FUTURE VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS.

Severe penalties are imposed for violations.


6 posted on 12/07/2009 7:30:38 PM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: GVnana

Chuck Schumer and Henry “Nostrils” Waxjob have just sponsored a bill to OUTLAW ALL FUTURE VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS.

Severe penalties are imposed for violations.


7 posted on 12/07/2009 7:33:16 PM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 2010 ELECTIONS ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT IN OUR LIFETIMES! BE THERE!!!)
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To: GVnana
although the agency put the price tag of its proposed climate-related car rules at $60 billion

per car/per year/per person????

with an estimated benefit of $250 billion.

in other words, their budget.

8 posted on 12/07/2009 7:36:16 PM PST by This_far (Mandatory insurance! I thought it was about health care?)
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To: GVnana

>> was compelling scientific evidence

Like when, during the Industrial Age?


9 posted on 12/07/2009 7:41:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: GVnana

Not “historic President, histronic President”.


10 posted on 12/07/2009 7:45:06 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Obamacare should cover lobotomies for Democrats)
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To: GVnana
"Congratulations, America, on your 'historic' election."


11 posted on 12/07/2009 7:49:30 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: GVnana

This is a game of Obama chicken. Let the EPA do it the advantages of that would be:

1. No cover for Obama.
2. The EPA can be tied up in court and forced to prove the harm of each GHG.
3. No Cap and Trade.
4. No money to foreign governments.
5. A GOP president can reverse it.
6. EPA funding can be held up by a GOP Congress.

This EPA thing is a bluff.


12 posted on 12/07/2009 7:56:30 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: GVnana

Truly historic. Possibly the most bone-headed statement by any government agency in the history of mankind. That’s pretty historic.


13 posted on 12/07/2009 8:01:50 PM PST by Favor Center (Targets Up! Hold hard and favor center!)
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To: GVnana

Before 2012 we will see the dissolution of the EPA.
It is the only way that the American economy can survive.


14 posted on 12/07/2009 8:05:30 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Obama, more liberal than ointment on a hemorrhoid and twice as greasy.)
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To: kingu

If I were you I’d get her pregnant and have that baby before all the health care/environmental BS kicks in.


15 posted on 12/07/2009 8:17:27 PM PST by madison10
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To: GVnana
declaring there was compelling scientific evidence that global warming
from manmade greenhouse gases endangers Americans' health.

Where? I've yet to see any proof. Just saying so does not make it so.

16 posted on 12/07/2009 8:21:32 PM PST by MaxMax (Obamao can't play in the Olympic reindeer games)
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To: GVnana
I TRIPLE-DOG-DARE the EPA and fellow Obamanites to try to use this DECLARATION to effect Cap-n-Tax on the American people.

Yep, I TRIPLE-DOG-Dare 'em.

Not only would the current occupant of the Whitehouse not serve out his term, much of the US Congress would also be run out of town.

Thanks about it: A US Administration taking extra-constitutional measures to fundamentally alter the economic order...backed by CROOKED SCIENCE AND LIES.

The only long-term result would be blood in the streets.

17 posted on 12/07/2009 8:39:01 PM PST by Mariner
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To: GVnana
The earth would not have plants without CO2. This is like the D.E.A. announcing that it will regulate the atmosphere because doctors prescribe oxygen and it's in the U.S.P. The God damned government is so far out of bounds on this one that it defies belief.
18 posted on 12/07/2009 8:42:44 PM PST by sig226 (Bring back Jimmy Carter!)
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To: BuffaloJack

This proves to me that the EPA must be abolished as there are no competent scientists within it to come to these conclusions.


19 posted on 12/07/2009 8:50:19 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: GVnana


Historic EPA Finding: Greenhouse gasses harm humans

Hope they get on the nasty effects of oxygen on plant life.
(/SARC)


20 posted on 12/07/2009 8:56:44 PM PST by VOA (I)
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To: DarthVader
Just wait until they want to put CO2 monitors in your home. The only good thing about this (if there could ever be such a thing) is that EPA can fine (maybe) but has zero taxing authority (at least yet).
21 posted on 12/07/2009 8:57:27 PM PST by WHBates
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To: DarthVader
This proves to me that the EPA must be abolished as there are no competent scientists within it to come to these conclusions.

I agree. First abolish the EPA, then the FDA, NASA , Dept of Energy, HHS, Dept of Education, and almost all of the thousands of government agencies. These people who work at these government agencies are accountable to no one as this global warming nut, Hansen, at NASA shows.

Then give the money used to fund those agencies back to the productive private sector so that private individuals will have more money for investment in real businesses and jobs.

These EPA goons are lying when say that they are doing this for our “health” as CO2 doesn't cause global warming because there is no global warming. Global warming is hoax, a scam. The Earth is actually cooling.

Millions of liberals are cheering this EPA action. Are they that dumb? The EPA is out to destroy the U.S. economy:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2402510/posts

Last week, two environmentalist groups petitioned the EPA to regulate greenhouse gases under NAAQS. Soon the EPA will have no choice. Once the NAAQS kicks in — and it will — the American economy is, not to put too fine a point on it, screwed. The government won’t be able to permit anything larger than a mansion. Taken to the extent mandated under the Clean Air Act, the EPA would probably have to order the shut-down of most industrial suppliers and users of conventional energy.

There’s only one remedy for this otherwise inevitable regulatory nightmare. The Congress must pass H. R. 391, legislation offered by Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R., Tenn.) that prohibits the EPA from using the Clean Air Act to regulate greenhouse-gas emissions.

22 posted on 12/07/2009 9:20:24 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: GVnana

Historic, yeah. Seems to me that the Barry and his EPA all must have missed third grade science.


23 posted on 12/07/2009 9:24:13 PM PST by Mygirlsmom (What do the _hite House and I have in common? We're both missing W....)
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To: Democrat_media

Great post and this is a fuse which has become lit on a powder keg which is going to explode in the liberals faces. The reaction and backlash that is coming to them is going to be ugly and possibly violent.


24 posted on 12/07/2009 9:33:15 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: GVnana
greenhouse gases endangers Americans' health.

I see this tying into the health-care bill to regulate all we do.

25 posted on 12/07/2009 9:49:14 PM PST by opentalk
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To: GVnana
The EPA's involvement in reducing climate-changing pollution, stems from a 2007 Supreme Court decision that declared that carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases are pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

But the court said the EPA would have to determine if these pollutants pose a danger to public health and welfare before it could regulate them.

It would be interesting to know if the Supreme court relied on any of the UN tainted data to make this ruling on CO2

26 posted on 12/07/2009 9:57:12 PM PST by opentalk
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To: GVnana; DollyCali; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; Thunder90; Little Bill; Nervous Tick; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

27 posted on 12/07/2009 10:04:20 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: GVnana

It gives “Oxygen Thief” a whole new meaning, doesn’t it?

And Bamsy and his pals will define who meets that definition.

Scary.


28 posted on 12/07/2009 10:04:58 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: GVnana; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; ..

Every time I fart, God kills a kitten.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 11:04:08 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: GVnana

[[declaring there was compelling scientific evidence that global warming from manmade greenhouse gases endangers Americans’ health.]]

dttt Dtttt Dtttt... This just in- in a historic bold move, the obama administration and the EPA announced that there is compelling new evidence that the sun causes health problems, and endangers American’s health, and needs to be regulated. From this point forward, anyone wishing to go outside, regardless of what strength SPF they apply, will have to pay ‘sun-credits’ to Al Gore and Ilk. The penalty for failign to regulate your time i nthe sun, staying out logner than your credits allow you to, wil lresult in swift and immediate punishement of a fine of $2 million dollars.

The administration als has hinted that they will be regulating and setting time slots for the amount of time we can spend out after dark, because it’s now known that the ‘science is settled’ that the more time peopel spend driving automobiles i nthe dark, the greater the risk to the citizens who might encounter them on dark unlit roads. Send all checks to ‘stopneedlessnightdrivingbecauseitendangerseveryoneandneedstobeheavilyregulated.com


30 posted on 12/07/2009 11:05:47 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GVnana
EPA's Greenhouse-Gasses-Harm-Humans Logic Diagram:


31 posted on 12/07/2009 11:37:46 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: GVnana
Historic EPA Finding: Greenhouse gasses harm humans (Just what the "historic president" ordered)

What's next?
A regulation that all policy makers must have chicken bones to toss for making decisions, and perhaps a bone through their noses?

32 posted on 12/08/2009 1:03:50 AM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: BuffaloJack
ding ding ding.... Post of the day...

One of my auto gnomes of which I have lost touch with, may or may not have been on a very high profile project :-).

This gnome noted many parts can't be made here, plating or painting to costly via EPA, so it get's sent over to China and they turn their country into enviro-merde-hole.

What is needed in this persons opinion is a duty on the reimportation of such components that equals the Enviro cost of doing it here. Very Clever.....

But you are right the EPA has become a huge block for making anything here anymore. Something has got to give

33 posted on 12/08/2009 2:30:50 AM PST by taildragger (Palin/Mulally 2012)
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To: GVnana
The greenhouse gas that is the most powerful is water vapor. Here are a few references from major universities:
Water as a Trace Greenhouse Gas
WATER VAPOR is an important trace gas, which all by itself probably contributes on the order of 60% of the global warming potential contributed by all gases (Science 5 Dec. 03)
http://people.oregonstate.edu/~muirp/globclim.htm#water


Since water vapor is itself a potent greenhouse gas (much more so than carbon dioxide), increased water vapor concentrations will trap additional heat and cause the surface temperatures to rise even faster.
http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=12455&tid=282&cid=10149


Water vapor in the atmosphere also influences the way heat gets from earth's surface to space. Water vapor is the most important greenhouse gas.
http://oceanworld.tamu.edu/resources/oceanography-book/oceansandclimate.htm


Water vapor is the most abundant and, indeed, the most important greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.
http://climate.columbia.edu/?id=faq


Water vapor and CO2 account for about 60% and 26% of the greenhouse effect, respectively.
http://lawr.ucdavis.edu/classes/atm5/Lecture3.htm

Water vapor is the elephant in the global warming room, that is never mentioned. This is wrong. If the EPA can decree that carbon dioxide is harmful to human health (because it is a greenhouse gas) they MUST be required to ALSO so label water vapor.

EVERY internal combustion engine produces the "pollutant" water vapor. This can be demonstrated very easily: consider jet "contrails:" water vapor. Consider your car's exhaust on a cold day: water vapor. Consider your own breath on a cold day: water vapor. The cold is mentioned only because the cold causes the water vapor to condense into a visible cloud, but the water vapor is ALWAYS emitted by anything which combusts hydrocarbons.

"Water Vapor is the most important greenhouse gas." We cannot allow the EPA to ignore it.

DG

34 posted on 12/08/2009 2:33:55 AM PST by DoorGunner ("Rom 11: until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: GVnana

Since the main greenhouse gas is water vapor comprising more than 90% of all greenhouse gases, will the EPA now ban the boiling of water to save humanity?


35 posted on 12/08/2009 3:15:16 AM PST by Roccus (My anger IS manufactured.......................................in the WHITE HOUSE and CONGRESS!!)
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To: DoorGunner

Sorry, didn’t read the whole thread before posting.

NEED MORE COFFEE!!!!!!!


36 posted on 12/08/2009 3:16:27 AM PST by Roccus (My anger IS manufactured.......................................in the WHITE HOUSE and CONGRESS!!)
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To: GVnana

Water is the major greenhouse gas.


37 posted on 12/08/2009 5:38:45 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: RoadTest
Water is the major greenhouse gas.

Yes, and water vapor in a pressure cooker would KILL YOU.
38 posted on 12/08/2009 5:58:52 AM PST by aruanan
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To: ThunderSleeps
This just in: OSHA closes all greenhouses.

And breweries and bakeries.
39 posted on 12/08/2009 5:59:58 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Roccus

>>”Sorry, didn’t read the whole thread before posting.”

Not a problem. The horrible scourge of water vapor MUST be stopped, if we are to survive. So, any publicity helps raise the consciousness of the general public to this plague. Here are some suggested slogans:

1. Just say NO to water.

2. Ho ho ho, ho ho ho, we don’t want your H2O!

3. Take this water and shove it.

4. Water KILLS

5. We don’t have to breathe no steenkin’ water.

6. No more government/water complex.

7. Destroy the “Big Water” monopoly.

8. Stop our addiction to breathing water.

Well, you can see that we need a grass roots movement to stamp out water. Uhh... make that an astroturf movement, grass roots seem to like water.

This is series.

DG


40 posted on 12/08/2009 6:10:35 AM PST by DoorGunner ("Rom 11: until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; 26 and so, all Israel will be saved")
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To: GVnana
Administrator Lisa P. Jackson, Remarks on the Endangerment Finding on Greenhouse Gases, As Prepared 12/07/2009 As prepared for delivery.

The scientific community, the business community and the policy world have spent decades studying greenhouse gas pollution and climate change. Scientists in the U.S. and around the world have tracked in the last century – and in particular the last three decades – alarming increases in the amount of greenhouse gases in our skies. That increase is deteriorating the natural balance in our atmosphere and changing our climate.

There have and continue to be debates about how and how quickly climate change will happen if we fail to act. But the overwhelming amounts of scientific study show that the threat is real – as does the evidence before our very eyes. Polar ice caps crumbling into the oceans, changing migratory patterns of animals and broader ranges for deadly diseases, historic droughts, more powerful storms, and disappearing coastlines.

After decades of this mounting evidence, climate change has now become a household issue. Parents across the United States and around the world are concerned for their children and grandchildren. Governments are investing billions in adaptation strategies. Businesses are investing billions in efforts to reduce carbon emissions. Military planners are projecting new hotspots of instability and conflict. They know that if we do not act to reduce greenhouse gases, the planet we leave to the next generation will be a very different place than the one we know today.

In 2007, the U.S. Supreme Court handed down perhaps the most significant decision ever reached in environmental law. The Court ruled that the Clean Air Act, the landmark 1970 law aimed at protecting our air, is written to include greenhouse gas pollution. That verdict echoed what many scientists, policymakers, and concerned citizens have said for years: there are no more excuses for delay.

Regrettably, there was continued delay. But this administration will not ignore science or the law any longer, nor will we avoid the responsibility we owe to our children and grandchildren. Today, I’m proud to announce that EPA has finalized its endangerment finding on greenhouse gas pollution, and is now authorized and obligated to take reasonable efforts to reduce greenhouse pollutants under the Clean Air Act.

This long-overdue finding cements 2009’s place in history as the year when the United States Government began seriously addressing the challenge of greenhouse gas pollution and seizing the opportunity of clean-energy reform. In less than 11 months, we have done more to promote clean energy and prevent climate change than happened in the last eight years.

Earlier this year, EPA established this country’s first – and what I believe will be a world-leading – nationwide greenhouse gas emissions reporting system. Next month, large emitters in the U.S. will begin working with EPA to monitor their emissions. Beginning in 2011, large emitters will – for the first time – submit publicly available information that will allow us to meaningfully track greenhouse gas emissions over time. This reporting will also bring to light opportunities to jump-start private investment in energy efficiency and new technologies and products – saving money, improving bottom lines and growing the economy. And it does all this in a common-sense way – without putting a burden on small businesses or other critical sectors of our economy.

Through the Recovery Act and the support of strong clean energy reform legislation, President Obama has led the way in cutting greenhouse pollution and reducing our dangerous dependence on foreign oilwhich threatens our national security and our economy.

Today’s endangerment finding provides the legal foundation for finalizing the recently proposed clean cars program. That program was developed in collaboration with the American auto industry and other stakeholders, and contains the nation’s first ever limits on greenhouse gas emissions from American vehicles.

And starting next spring, large emitting facilities will be required to incorporate the best available methods for controlling greenhouse gas emissions when they plan to construct or expand.

These are reasonable, common-sense steps that will allow us to do what the Clean Air Act does best – reduce emissions for better health, drive technology innovation for a better economy, and protect the environment for a better future – all without placing an undue burden on the businesses that make up the better part of our economy.

Today’s announcement and these other efforts are designed to complement comprehensive clean energy reform. We look forward to working with Congress to get a bill to the President’s desk – and to implementing that bill once it has been signed.

We know that skeptics have and will continue to try to sow doubts about the science. It’s no wonder that many people are confused. But raising doubts – even in the face of overwhelming evidence – is a tactic that has been used by defenders of the status quo for years. Those tactics have only served to delay and distract from the real work ahead, namely, growing our clean energy economy and freeing ourselves from foreign oil that endangers our security and our economy.

It’s time that we let the science speak for itself. In making this finding, we relied on decades of sound, peer-reviewed, extensively evaluated scientific data. That data came from around the world and from our own U.S. scientists.

Today’s action is a step towards enduring, pragmatic solutions to the enormous challenge of climate change. It is a step towards innovation, investment and implementation of technologies that reduce harmful emissions. And it’s a step towards green jobs, reduced dependence on foreign oil, and a better future for our children.

It also means that we arrive at the climate talks in Copenhagen with a clear demonstration of our commitment to facing this global challenge. We hope that today’s announcement serves as another incentive for far-reaching accords in our meetings this week.

In taking action now and recognizing this threat, we join the hundreds of other countries, thousands of leading scientists, tens of thousands of innovators, entrepreneurs and private companies, millions of Americans and billions of global citizens who have seen the overwhelming evidence and called for action on climate change.

41 posted on 12/08/2009 6:37:18 AM PST by anglian
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To: aruanan

“Water is the major greenhouse gas.

Yes, and water vapor in a pressure cooker would KILL YOU.”

What’s that got to do with the price of eggs in China?


42 posted on 12/08/2009 7:29:07 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: RoadTest
What’s that got to do with the price of eggs in China?

Well, the EPA can regulate greenhouse gases that could be dangerous to humans. Superheated water vapor could be dangerous to humans, so the EPA can regulate steam plants and pressure cookers.
43 posted on 12/08/2009 7:49:21 AM PST by aruanan
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To: BuffaloJack

I’m guessing we’ll need to suffer some more, and then get another president, but yes. The EPA has to go.


44 posted on 12/08/2009 1:54:16 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: Talisker

Is that a genuine Rube Goldberg?


45 posted on 12/08/2009 1:57:03 PM PST by GVnana ("Obama is incredibly naive and grossly egotistical." Sarkozy)
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To: GVnana

LOL - I think is, as a matter of fact.


46 posted on 12/08/2009 2:33:20 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

burp


47 posted on 12/08/2009 7:49:08 PM PST by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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