Posted on 12/08/2009 8:26:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
What's the reason to keep it?
Save yourself a headache - don’t feed the professional troll’s assistant.
“You refuse to police science.”
“police science”? What the Hell is that? A demand we return to Papal oversight? I am a scientist. You try to “police” me and I’ll punch your sorry ass straight to Hell. Just who do you think you are, Ms. Busybody, God?
The same reason we keep laws against murder and have courts and trials? We have those, and yet people still commit murder.
I’m a bit slow on the uptake. I just read camel’s silliness and it was dullifying.
Its “Snap Your Finger” time again.
Could you please explain your understanding of the peer-review process?
Just what good has peer review done for science?
Has it stopped the fraud?
It didn’t do much to stop the AGW scam and Climategate.
It got in the way of getting a treatment for ulcers when the first researchers discovered that bacteria caused it.
http://www.aips.net.au/98.html
“The peer response showed the same scepticism that greeted Warren’s initial observations, and for a number of years the majority of the medical profession dismissed the hypothesis.”
And for years people suffered needlessly.
The researcher, Marshall, reached the point of actually infecting himself to prove his point. That’s desperation. Peer review really worked there, didn’t it? He came to the wrong conclusion, one that went against prevailing scientific consensus and could go nowhere with it.
They didn’t evaluate his work based on the quality, but on the conformity to dogma.
What good have laws and courts and jails done?
Has it stopped the fraud?
Have laws and courts and jails stopped crime?
It didn’t do much to stop the AGW scam and Climategate.
And OJ got away with murder.
You're demanding that they either make it perfect, or tear it all down, knowing it can never be made perfect.
Oh.. the truth of ‘madmom’ comes out again...
"No way. I’m not going to go out publicly every time some nitwit talks and provide an opposing viewpoint.
Why not? You seem to be doing a pretty good job here!
In law, judges are not aloud to have a conflict of interest. How about just keeping out any peer that has a conflict of interest?
Agreed.
Sounds like someone thinks Science, er . . . scientists, should not be let out alone unsupervised. Do you believe that’s just simply not true?
A demand we return to Papal oversight?
Would you, perhaps, prefer governmental bureaucratic oversight? Women’s Studies, Black Studies, GLBT Studies oversight? Independent Lab oversight? Think Tank oversight? Foundation oversight? etc etc etc.?
I am a scientist.
Which confers on you what special status? Are you an independent entrepreneur? Who purchases your R&D?
You try to “police” me and I’ll punch your sorry ass straight to Hell.
Is that what you would say to your Journal Publisher? Your Peer Reviewers? Department Head? University Board? Private Lab Director? Foundation Board? Hospital Administrator? Government Grant Administrator? etc etc etc. And, have you ever been in the circumstance where you wanted to be sure that whomever you are answerable to was certain that you did not vote for a Conservative, did vote for a Liberal, or definitely were not a Christian? Or would you instead simply have had them understand that you are perfectly capable of punching their sorry asses straight to Hell?
Just who do you think you are, Ms. Busybody, God?
No. She’s just someone who has cause to think that the integrity of scientific studies has been compromised for the sake of political expediency, ideological aggrandizement, and societal domination. Your warm response has been a great comfort.
What YHAOS said.
What “science” needs is for all publicsed articles to pass the review of those that deny many fields of science to believe Man walked in the land of 100+ species of large meat eating dinosaurs. You know, so they can defend their religious freedom.
Great post.
Usually I sit back (lurking quietly)and find amusement while reading lib blogs, laughing at the idiocy.
Sometimes I follow the threads here on FR, and while realizing this is a “conservative” site, some posters stand out above the rest, they seem different; skeptical, bitter, downright ugly. Reading only a little of what they want to spout leaves me aggravated and pissed about their arrogance.
A post like yours puts it all in perspective, and I notice, usually shuts them up!
Good job....
“This time there is no doubt, you made it in before the Creation Opposition Groupies (COGs). You’re fast, Metmom! Very fast!!!”
I’m an “Anti ‘creation science’ Army of One”. You whine about folks being “anti creation” when really, it’s the bogus science that you post that really generates the humor on these threads.
Of COURSE “creation science” would say this - because their brothers in deception and non-peer-reviewed science in the “Global Warming Science” community want to blame ALL science now that they’ve gotten caught with their pants down.
The lies that you rail about are the same ones “creation science” uses - don’t release your source data, don’t do legitimate peer review, use social pressure, destroy all data that doesn’t match your pre-determined conclusion.
Your liars lie the same as the global warming liars - because you lie you want legitimate science to pay the price for the lies your liars lie.
Sorry, the charlatans you like to shill for have give us one scientific scandal after another—from Darwin to Eugenics to DDT to the Population bomb to the New Ice Age of the 1970s to “we are all equally at risk for AIDS” to human-caused Global Warming. And in each and every case, the refrain from our defacto scientific magisterium has always been “the debate is over.” These people need to be smashed, government science needs to be dismantled, and it all needs to be transfered (except perhaps with respect to national security) to the private sector. Let the free market determine how many scientists we need and which science rises to the top and is most useful. Of course, if this happened, Darwin’s unscientific evo-atheist creation myth would be doomed, and you know it.
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