Skip to comments.NIH Bulletin says New York swine flu victim autopsies show lung damage similar to 1918 Spanish flu
Posted on 12/08/2009 11:45:25 AM PST by autumnraine
Results from 34 swine flu victims in New York were released by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in a December 7 bulletin. The swine flu symptoms and effects on the lungs of the victims were similar to the effects of the 1918 Spanish flu, which had an extremely high mortality rate around the world. Other reports of H1N1 infections deep in the lungs have been reported around the world, including Ukraine, China, Brazil, Norway, and the United States, in Iowa and Utah. These infections have been linked to a change in the receptor binding domain of the virus.
Swine flu symptoms are generally the same as other influenza infections, but a mutation causing the virus to lodge in the lungs instead of the upper respiratory tract causes different symptoms. The 1918 Spanish flu caused bleeding in the lungs, and killed between 20 million and 40 million people worldwide. Bleeding in the lungs has been associated with a change in the receptor binding domain of the virus.
Receptor Binding Domain (RBD) Change in Pandemic A 2009 H1N1 influenza virus
The D225G change in the receptor binding domain for the Novel A H1N1 influenza has been associated with both bleeding in the lungs and a low reaction to the swine flu vaccine
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By the way, they are finding that Tamiflu is being excreted into rivers after being treated at sewage treatment plants in Europe (after passage through the body, you know what I mean) and that in Europe people are speculating if the flu can't build up an immunity to Tamiflu.
“that Tamiflu is being excreted into rivers”
I don’t think so. I’ve worked in a sewage plant and there ain’t much will survive that process in great quantities. Most of the content is just water.
So you tested the water for chemical elements? I’m not sure I understand what you mean by ‘most of the content is just water’. They’ve already found Prozac and Viagra in tap water in NYC. Why wouldn’t Tamiflu elements come through?
You didn’t think I mean big hunking peices of the medicine did you?
Gee, today our paper said that H1N1 was turning out to have a mild season but we shouldn’t get complacent.
And now I don’t know what to do!
Panic or complacency? Panic or complacency?
Here is the information;
The premier flu-fighting drug is contaminating rivers downstream of sewage-treatment facilities, researchers in Japan confirm. The source: urinary excretion by people taking oseltamivir phosphate, best known as Tamiflu.
There are several other sources, but this is the first one I came across. Microbeworld is where I read it though.
Neither. Watch and wait. That’s all you can do. Panic does nothing and you don’t want to just be careless.
This is pretty bad virus, Im speaking from first hand account. Went straight to my lungs - was worse than bronchitis that I had a couple of years ago. Going on four weeks and still cant shake it. Had Zpack to kill of possible bacteria infection but this thing is bad, real bad. Im a very healthy and athletic but this thing has really knocked me for a loop. This is from someone who normally doesnt get sick or if I do kick it quickly. I believe my SO got it and her symptoms were mild, she was taking higher concentrations of Vit D than me, not sure why else it hit me hard.
Yeah they found alligators too. Most of what leaves a plant is water from showers, sinks, dishwashers, washers, etc. You pee a lot less than you flush. So whatever you excrete gets mixed with all that water. Then it mixes with all that water in the river. There is no chance of you getting any appreciable amount of anything except water.
“Tamiflus active form, oseltamivir carboxylate, or OC, turned up in the treated sewage on every occasion,”
That’s kinda like saying you ingest cigarette smoke every time you breathe because someone somewhere is smoking. Therefore, breathing can give you emphysema because smokers get emphysema.
A) No one said anyone was going to ‘get anything’, but the active ingredient is there, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
B) Here are the resources to the information.
Ok, so now we have accepted (I have, you can doubt it all you want) that there are residues of the active chemicals of medicine in water. No one, not me, not the article I posted, nothing said that you could “get anything” from it. If you had read the article, you would see that the problem is the fear that the virus will become immune to Tamiflu, or the main ingredient in Tamiflu.
I’m sorry about your bad bout with this but for me it was the easiest flu I ever had - one day coming down with it, working with a mask and gloves - I got to take care of the flu patients; the next day in bed; the next day recovering and working again with mask and gloves; the fourth day fine, no lingering cough which I always get. (And I didn’t sicken my fellow EMTs either, hooray.)
If my kids hadn’t been sick with a more ordinary level of flu I would have thought I just had a bad cold - and they were only ordinarily sick. Individual reactions vary a lot.
I think you missed my point. Saying Tamiflu is there is like saying that there is bird poop in the water you drink. Yes, there is. Fish screw in it too so there is fish sperm in the water. The point is that it really doesn’t matter. It doesn’t appear in substantial quantities to mean anything.
You know, I think you are being intentionally obtuse so I’ll leave you to your fantasy world. Although maybe you can ponder the birds who drink this water (with fish sperm-although that is completely irrelevant to this discussion but it makes you feel like you something about something, so I’ll let it go) and then get a form of H1N1, or dogs, who also can get it and when it (the virus) becomes immune to Tamiflu you can live knowing nothing is in the water. Good Grief.
My daughters have been sick with something that is not H1N1. The quick test came back negative. One already had her H1N1 vaccine. Neither of them had fever.
However, the bug they have has gone into their lungs. They’ve both been on anti-biotics, doing breathing treatments with a nebulizer, and one of them was just put on prednisone. One missed 7 days of school, the other one has missed 5 days (we’re not sure about tomorrow).
Whatever it is, it’s been bad.
I found this link very interesting!
What a cheap way to treat the flu colds and cancer.