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Michelle Obama racism row—what’s it based on?
CMI ^ | December 8, 2009 | David Catchpoole, Ph.D.

Posted on 12/08/2009 5:54:56 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

This recent BBC News header[1] was typical of the news headlines worldwide on the story:

Michelle Obama racist image sparks Google apology

Apparently, the image referred to was a photograph of Mrs Obama that had been manipulated to give her the facial features of a monkey. I say “apparently”, because the mock-up photo no longer appears as the #1 ranking on Google’s list of image search results for “Michelle Obama”.[2]

It is very clear however from the news reports of the “race row”[3] that in the last days that the picture was Google-accessible, it stirred many people. Such was the furore, Google executives issued an apology, even though they themselves were not responsible for the photo.

--snip--

However, it seems there’s a key part of the story that has been left unreported—at least, in the numerous mainstream media reports. What’s missing is an explanation of why likening America’s First Lady to an ape or monkey is considered “racist”.

After all, when the previous president of the United States, George W. Bush, was likened to a chimpanzee on various websites,[6,7] the mockery was never referred to as being “racist” in nature...

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1 posted on 12/08/2009 5:54:57 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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2 posted on 12/08/2009 5:56:14 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Jim Robinson

Hi Jim,

The mods are back to banishing Creation/ID posts Bloggers and Personal again.


4 posted on 12/08/2009 6:00:21 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Funny how Google never protected Bush or his family from horrible photos found on image searches.


5 posted on 12/08/2009 6:02:41 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


6 posted on 12/08/2009 6:03:00 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Related

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2394527/posts


7 posted on 12/08/2009 6:03:15 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It must be embarrassing to be both black and a “man.” Watching the vast majority of your peers dance around the pity tree. Occasionally I find myself wishing I were black so I could kick some ars where it needs to be kicked.


8 posted on 12/08/2009 6:05:42 PM PST by RingerSIX
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To: GodGunsGuts

This is a looooong distance bashing of Darwin.

Whether you understand TToE or not, it is a further jump to say that racism is based on it than to say Nazism was a result of it.

It just doesn’t follow. Like with any science, TToE — and all sciences — can be used for good or evil.


9 posted on 12/08/2009 6:06:24 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: KoRn

Gee, it I wonder why that was?! We need to start a conservative search engine to start competing with all the libs who currently dominate the seach engine market!!!


10 posted on 12/08/2009 6:07:41 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I'll put it on the table and the mods can delete this post if the truth offends some.

Seems everyone tiptoes around the Monkey/African/American. I have lived in the South all my life and images and comparisons of monkeys and black people are a racist fact. Why? Because to SOME people (whites, asian, latino and even some blacks) Blacks look like monkeys. There. I Brought it out. The big lips, big mouth the nose, and yes the color of the hair.

That is the racist part. To equate someone as being dumb as an ape is not.

/2 cents
11 posted on 12/08/2009 6:08:08 PM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: freedumb2003

I truly believe that Darwinism is inherently racist whether it is true or not. Of course, I don’t believe it is true, which makes it all the worse. But even if it were true, some races would have to be lower or less evolved than other races by definition.


12 posted on 12/08/2009 6:13:49 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: KoRn

They still don’t. All you have to do is google these as separate searches. The one for Bush has a section for “image results” a few entries down. The one for Chewy? No section like that.

Bush chimp

Michelle Obama monkey


13 posted on 12/08/2009 6:19:16 PM PST by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>I truly believe that Darwinism is inherently racist whether it is true or not. Of course, I don’t believe it is true, which makes it all the worse. But even if it were true, some races would have to be lower or less evolved than other races by definition.<<

You may believe it, but that don’t make it so. TToE is no more racist than a wrench or a telescope. It recognizes a diversity of traits but, other than stochastically moving the ball of the entire human race, makes no judgment on what we call “race.” In scientific terms, what we call “race” is a primarily a social concept, not a (natural) scientific one (although certain lineages do have unique features).

Like I said, this is an overreach.


14 posted on 12/08/2009 6:19:30 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
From the article: "In other words, when the media reports that monkey-like mock-up photos of Michelle Obama are racist, they’re tacitly highlighting society’s long-held view, fuelled by evolution, that blacks are less evolved than whites. Of course the mainstream media don’t dare put it so bluntly—it’s simply assumed."


15 posted on 12/08/2009 6:25:45 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>In other words, when the media reports that monkey-like mock-up photos of Michelle Obama are racist, they’re tacitly highlighting society’s long-held view, fuelled by evolution, that blacks are less evolved than whites. Of course the mainstream media don’t dare put it so bluntly—it’s simply assumed<<

That is an assertion — there is no research behind it. Saying something don’t make it so. In this case, it is a total misapplication of two entire branches of science: anthropology and sociology.

It looks more to me that the author is the racist and assuming his/her conclusions are true for everyone else. This is called “projection” and is a bad thing.


16 posted on 12/08/2009 6:32:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
It all started with the founder of Darwinian evolution:

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

--Charles Darwin, Descent of Man, 1871

17 posted on 12/08/2009 6:42:03 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
I truly believe that Darwinism is inherently racist...

Because it is and its premise always has been:

"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." At the same time the anthropomorphous apes [i.e., blacks – ed.], as Professor Schaffhausen has remarked, (Anthropological Review, April, 1867, p. 236) will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."

(Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man, Chap. vi)

"No rational man, cognizant of the facts, believes that the average Negro is the equal, still less the superior, of the white man.....it is simply incredible to think that.....he will be able to compete successfully with his bigger-brained and smaller-jawed rival, in a contest which is to be carried on by thoughts and not by bites."

(Thomas Huxley (aka Darwin's Bulldog"), 1871, Lay Sermons, addresses and reviews)

18 posted on 12/08/2009 6:51:32 PM PST by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: Agamemnon

Precisely. I think the evos are uncomfortable with the whole evo-racism thing because they can’t disavow the racism, as it is built right into Darwin’s “theory.” So they try to make us feel guilty for pointing it out instead.


19 posted on 12/08/2009 6:55:19 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>It all started with the founder of Darwinian evolution: <<

The Bible is filled with racism and a lot more vitriolic (and downright violent).

Look at these additional quotes from Descent:

“Their mental characteristics are likewise very distinct; chiefly as it would appear in their emotional, but partly in their intellectual faculties.”

“It may be doubted whether any character can be named which is distinctive of a race and is constant.”

“The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans are as different from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Feugians on board the “Beagle,” with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate.”

“I was told before leaving England that after living in slave countries all my opinions would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the negro character. It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him.”

For 1821 that was very enlightened indeed from a white man. The conclusion that there may be lineage would be based on observation.

The article also notes in passing some of what you are trying to say, but then they have to acknowledge the OVERT RACISM of virtually EVERY WHITE PERSON in Europe of that day. So ALL science advancements from that period (there were many) are also based in racism. Chemistry, physics, medicine — all steeped in racism.

And the assertion does not affect Darwin’s work nor TToE. As I said (and you ignored), there is no research behind the asserted conclusion about how people react and its linkage to TToE.


20 posted on 12/08/2009 6:56:05 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: RingerSIX

Luckily, I nailed a few when they harassed my white girlfriend on the bus last month. They haven’t harassed us ever since.


21 posted on 12/08/2009 6:56:28 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: RingerSIX

Luckily, I nailed a few when they harassed my white girlfriend on the bus last month. They haven’t harassed us ever since.


22 posted on 12/08/2009 6:56:31 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: RingerSIX

Luckily, I nailed a few when they harassed my white girlfriend on the bus last month. They haven’t harassed us ever since.


23 posted on 12/08/2009 6:56:32 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

>>Precisely. I think the evos are uncomfortable with the whole evo-racism thing because they can’t disavow the racism, as it is built right into Darwin’s “theory.” So they try to make us feel guilty for pointing it out instead.<<

Read my prior post. Misusing this as the author does and then posting assertions based on faulty logic should make you uncomfortable. Not only does it have no effect on TToE by attacking its author, but it also misstates his position on the context of his time.


24 posted on 12/08/2009 6:58:04 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Dallas59

I don’t understand a lot of the racial slur stuff. I’ve never understood the watermelon thing for instance.

Would it be racist to compare a white person to a polar bear or to Casper the ghost?


25 posted on 12/08/2009 7:04:05 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: KoRn

Seems like there were a lot of Condoleeza Rice pictures that showed her as a chimp. But that wasn’t racist.


26 posted on 12/08/2009 7:09:45 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Precisely. I think the evos are uncomfortable with the whole evo-racism thing because they can’t disavow the racism, as it is built right into Darwin’s “theory.” So they try to make us feel guilty for pointing it out instead.

Ha ha. Good call. It is like when anyone opposes the gay agenda, they are accused of being a closet homo.

27 posted on 12/08/2009 7:12:02 PM PST by Kells
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To: freedumb2003
The Bible is filled with racism and a lot more vitriolic (and downright violent).

What are you talking about? Please post a link.

28 posted on 12/08/2009 7:17:21 PM PST by Kells
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To: freedumb2003
The Bible is filled with racism and a lot more vitriolic (and downright violent).

What are you talking about? Please post a link.

29 posted on 12/08/2009 7:17:56 PM PST by Kells
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To: gitmo

If we were a minority. Watermelon is an easy thing to grow in the south...so are Greens. Both I eat with enjoyment.


30 posted on 12/08/2009 7:24:27 PM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: Kells

The entire founding of the ancient Israel is filled with exhortation that all other races are to be wiped out or bend to the Israelites.

The “curse” of dark color as a punishment to Ham’s son is clearly racist.

Now these are within the context of the day and we know that God also said to put these aside. But also did Darwin overcome the prevalent thought of his day as he allowed his logic to lead him

Racism is thousands of years old — to visit it upon Darwin as an argument (actually an assertion, the author never backs up his/her claim) opens up visiting it upon any and all, including the Bible itself.


31 posted on 12/08/2009 7:31:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Kells

>>It is like when anyone opposes the gay agenda, they are accused of being a closet homo.<<

Or like when you point out what science actually says or when you point out an author has made up an argument based on a complete logical fallacy, you are accused of being an atheist.

Like that.


32 posted on 12/08/2009 7:33:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: gitmo

http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/question/may08/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ota_Benga

This may shed some light on your inquiry.


33 posted on 12/08/2009 7:49:46 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

“It all started with the founder of Darwinian evolution:”

—What was started by Darwin – the idea that blacks are closer to apes? Hardly. The idea of there being different human races, ranking them, and believing that blacks (or other races) are closer to apes was very common before Darwin and goes back centuries.

For example Charles White wrote a popular book in 1799 called “An Account of the Regular Gradation in Man” where he argued that blacks were intermediate between apes and whites (not in an evolutionary sense) and included this famous diagram:
http://www.strangescience.net/enlar/en_white2.jpg

(Darwin himself was rather ambivalent as to whether biology had anything to do with with Europe’s technological superiority and thought it may be purely cultural:
“The western nations of Europe, who now so immeasurably surpass their former savage progenitors, and stand at the summit of civilization, owe little or none of their superiority to direct inheritance from the old Greeks, though they owe much to the written works of that wonderful people.”)


34 posted on 12/08/2009 7:53:42 PM PST by goodusername
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To: goodusername

I meant within the evolutionary movement that was founded by Charles Darwin.


35 posted on 12/08/2009 8:10:34 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: freedumb2003; GodGunsGuts; metmom; wagglebee; Orestes5711
...It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him.”

Why of course that poor, wretched, subhuman negro is to be pitied by rich white intellectuals who are so much more evolutionarily advanced than these lessers, right "FreeDarwin2003"?

They can't possibly take care of themselves -- after all they are little more than animals anyway. Let's send them welfare checks, make them dependent on government and our elite, enlightened "compassion." Our rich white Great Society and HHS will clothe and feed them and cage them in "public housing projects," destroy their sense of family, and fatherhood leadership, and to control their population we'll sterilize them in our Harlem Clinic, perform science experiments on them with our Tuskeegee Project, and exterminate them with our Negro Project, and fund not for profit taxpayer subsidized Planned Parenthood clinics within their communities to make "health care" more available to them. We are just so damn comapssionate aren't we, FreeDarwin2003?(/sarc)

Liberals and Darwinian evolutionary premise are inextricably linked.

Bet as an evolutionist you're feeling just as comapssionate as Darwin, Sanger, Davenport Popenoe, and ol' James D. Watson right about now....

James D., who?

James Watson, PhD, along with Francis Crick, PhD, a co-discoverer of the DNA double-helix structure, Nobel Prize 1962, if fact. Hmmmm looks like Obama and he share something in common. Though I'll bet Watson -- for evolutionary reasons of course, doesn't think they share the same level of intelligence.

October 2007: In a Sunday Times (UK) interview Dr. Watson was quoted as saying he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really."

OUCH!!! that's gotta hurt! Oh yes, and in case anyone wondered, Watson is routinely "peer reviewed" too. Surprised?

**rimshot**

So ALL science advancements from that period (there were many) are also based in racism. Chemistry, physics, medicine — all steeped in racism.

All science advancement from that period based in racism? Quite a claim you make there. Don't know that that is completely true, and if fact I'll call you on that, but even as it was then, anyone teaching Darwinian evolution as any thing credible today tacitly teaches racism. No escaping that fact. This is just one reason true conservatism and Darwinism are philosophically poles apart. True conservatism is neither founded in racism nor promotes racism. Darwinism on the other hand is founded in racism and subsequently and subtly promotes racism.

Why don't you comment some more on what racism your studies has discovered in the fields of chemistry, physics, and medicine from the late 1800's. I am aware of the German "scientific" and "medical" experiments on the Herero: case in point ---

Ernst Haeckel ---- yeah, the same guy who did the fraudulent comparative embryonic drawings, Darwin worshipper -- the works -- was a protégé of Rudolf Ludwig Carl Virchow, who was appointed head of the Pathological Institute of Berlin from 1893-1902.

Eugen Fischer became head of the Berlin Institute in 1908. Germany’s African colonies rebelled under German rule about the same time as Haeckel’s evolutionary political and Monist (pre-Nazi) activity became most prominent.

“The African colonies and concentration camps also served racial scientific inquiry. Post-mortems were performed to study causes of death and bodies of executed prisoners were preserved and shipped to Germany for dissection.

“A 1907 chronicle reported that: "A chest of Herero skulls was recently sent to the Pathological Institute in Berlin, where they will be subjected to scientific measurements.

“Probably the most well-known study was the physician, Eugen Fisher’s evaluation of Basters, the mixed-blood children of Dutch men and Nama women. “He argued that "Negro blood" was of "lesser value" and that mixing it with "white blood" would destroy European culture, and advised that Africans should be exploited by Europeans as long they were useful, after which they could be eliminated.”

(“German science and black racism—roots of the Nazi Holocaust” by François Haas, The FASEB Journal. 2008;22:332-337 (New York University Institute of Community Health and Research, New York University School of Medicine, NY, NY)

Copenhagen AGW conference -- just another world wide attempt at the Great Society described earlier, only writ large. The racist monied elites have it all planned and their (busted) "peer reviewed" minions are singing their song. The West's (though not Al Gore's "elites" who stand to make the money) wealth is transferred to exploitable third world, because they're all too dumb and incompetent to take care of themselves.

Darwinian Evolutionists: nothing more than "peer reviewed" talent pools of elite racists.

Hermann Gauch was a famous Nazi race theorist, identified with what was termed, “Nordic Theory.” In his “Basis for Race Research” “Neve Grundlagen Zur Rassenforschung” (1935):

”The non-Nordics and the animals [are] just about next to the anthropoid ape. He is therefore not a complete man. He is really not a man at all in the true counter-distinction to animals, but a transition, an intermediate stage, better and more apt is the designation, “subhuman untermench.”

“If non-Nordics are more closely allied with monkeys and apes than to Nordics, why is it possible for them to mate with Nordics and not apes? The answer is this: It has not been proved that non-Nordics cannot mate with apes.”

Just gotta love those philosophically evo-ape driven Nazi doctors, eh, DarDumb2003? Darwin, Haekel, Gauch, Sanger, Gambel, Ferrebee, Watson... Yes, like they say "it's the company you keep..."


36 posted on 12/08/2009 8:55:13 PM PST by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


37 posted on 12/08/2009 9:06:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Agamemnon

>>Why of course that poor, wretched, subhuman negro is to be pitied by rich white intellectuals who are so much more evolutionarily advanced than these lessers, right “FreeDarwin2003”?<<

Not much point in reading further (and I didn’t) — I am sure you entertained yourself with your insult-laden rants.

You didn’t read what I posted, didn’t read the material, didn’t comprehend what was being said and don’t understand the subject at hand.

Go away ragonyourmember. Far far away where they appreciate people like you.


38 posted on 12/08/2009 9:06:47 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003; GodGunsGuts
“I was told before leaving England that after living in slave countries all my opinions would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the negro character. It is impossible to see a negro and not feel kindly towards him.”

How condescending.

However, the Bible stated the equality of man long before Darwin.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

39 posted on 12/08/2009 9:06:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
The "curse" of dark color as a punishment to Ham’s son is clearly racist.

You apparently have been misinformed by the Mormon Bible, Talmud, or Southern Protestant denominations. Neither the New or Old Testament says that Ham’s sons were cursed with dark color as a punishment. Furthermore, the Catholic Church, Anglicans, and Northern Protestant denominations have never taught this.

40 posted on 12/08/2009 9:09:04 PM PST by Kells
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To: freedumb2003
The “curse” of dark color as a punishment to Ham’s son is clearly racist.

I keep hearing about that but have never found it.

Please cite the chapter and verse to support that.

41 posted on 12/08/2009 9:09:49 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Now you all are just being obtuse on purpose. Remember, this was 1821 — as I said, this was the height if enlightenment for the time.

And as I said, the fact one part of the Bible decries another doesn’t eliminate the racist parts.

The point is that painting anyone from 200 years ago, much less 4,000 is pointless — EVERYONE was racist (by modern standards).

My points stand unchallenged (as usual).


42 posted on 12/08/2009 9:10:20 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: metmom

I am not going down this side road — either you understand or you don’t.

It has taken me a while for me to realize that when I say “the house is surrounded by a white fence” that you and yours seize on “WHITE? It was CREAM!” instead of the point the fence is surrounding the house is the issue. The last refuge of the terminally lost.

Deal with the underlying point or don’t waste our time.


43 posted on 12/08/2009 9:12:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Show where there’s racism promoted in the Bible.

Chapter and verse, please, that justify and condone it and teach that it’s to be practiced.


44 posted on 12/08/2009 9:14:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Answer my challenges first. I am dealing with the point of the article. You are just creating a side show.


45 posted on 12/08/2009 9:17:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003; GodGunsGuts; Agamemnon
I am not going down this side road — either you understand or you don’t.

Of course you're not, because you can't. You made a false claim (aka lied) about the Bible and have nothing from Scripture with which to support it.

Your pathetic attempt to discredit the Bible failed miserably.

46 posted on 12/08/2009 9:22:34 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
My points stand unchallenged (as usual).

LOL. Please retract your misquoting of the Bible with regards to Ham and his sons.

47 posted on 12/08/2009 9:23:20 PM PST by Kells
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To: freedumb2003

What challenges? All you did was post some condescending remarks by Darwin about Negros to try to prove that he wasn’t the racist his other writings show him to be.


48 posted on 12/08/2009 9:25:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

You didn’t read my posts.


49 posted on 12/08/2009 9:29:02 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Kells

>>LOL. Please retract your misquoting of the Bible with regards to Ham and his sons.<<

You didn’t read my posts.


50 posted on 12/08/2009 9:29:27 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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