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Michelle Obama racism row—what’s it based on?
CMI ^ | December 8, 2009 | David Catchpoole, Ph.D.

Posted on 12/08/2009 5:54:56 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: metmom

>>Your pathetic attempt to discredit the Bible failed miserably. <<

Yep — side road city. You can’t take on my argument, so you attack the minutia.


51 posted on 12/08/2009 9:30:22 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Kells
And from someone who claims to be a Christian.

Here, you're going to want this while waiting for an answer....


52 posted on 12/08/2009 9:31:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003; Kells
You didn’t read my posts.

Sure he did, just like I did, and everyone else who reads this thread.

You misrepresented what the Bible states (aka lied about it) in regards to Ham and skin color.

Sorry, this isn't a forum where posts can be edited. It is there for all to see in its glory.

Here is the quote and post number....

post 31 The “curse” of dark color as a punishment to Ham’s son is clearly racist.

53 posted on 12/08/2009 9:38:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
I am not going down this side road — either you understand or you don’t.

Why not? You started it.

54 posted on 12/08/2009 9:40:00 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003; Kells
The “curse” of dark color as a punishment to Ham’s son is clearly racist.

Does that mean that you think God is racist since He is the only one who could change someone's skin color?

Noah certainly couldn't be blamed no matter what he said, as that's not within his ability.

55 posted on 12/08/2009 10:00:04 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: freedumb2003
The entire founding of the ancient Israel is filled with exhortation that all other races are to be wiped out or bend to the Israelites.

This was typical primitive tribal warfare. God used the Hebrews to punish the Canaanites for sacrificing babies to daemons (equivalent to abortion). Usually, the women of conquered Canannite tribes were taken as concubines and incorporated into the "race". King David's chief wife, Bathsheba, was a Canaanite and his grandmother, Ruth, was an Edomite. Later, God used other nations to punish the Hebrews for adopting sins of the Canaanites.

Now these are within the context of the day and we know that God also said to put these aside. But also did Darwin overcome the prevalent thought of his day as he allowed his logic to lead him

The main reason Darwinism was so enthusiastically accepted by the elite is for the pseuso-scientific, racist, classist doctrine of "survival of the fittest" that was used to overrule Christian requirements of charity and noblesse oblige.

Racism is thousands of years old — to visit it upon Darwin as an argument (actually an assertion, the author never backs up his/her claim) opens up visiting it upon any and all, including the Bible itself.

Racism has always been a facet of humanity but Darwin provided a pseuso-scientific justification that provided the philosophical basis for Margret Sanger's Planned Parenthood and Hitler's National Socialism.

56 posted on 12/08/2009 10:41:05 PM PST by Kells
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To: metmom

I know I read racism from BTMS* yesterday when he was talking about why didn’t artists draw Ardi with a “normal nose”.


57 posted on 12/08/2009 11:31:14 PM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts
So this is "defending religious freedom?????? BWAAAAhahahahahahahha.....

What’s missing is an explanation of why likening America’s First Lady to an ape or monkey is considered “racist”.

Heard this before and if you need an explanation as to why that is racist......YOU'RE A STUPID SOB!!! ....and if you don't see the difference in calling Bush a chimp and likening a black person to a monkey........YOU'RE A SUPID SUMMABICH!!!

Mayhaps it has something to do with a history or treating black people like nothing more than animals...to be sold/traded/beaten/whipped/killed. MAyhaps it has something to do witha history of balck people being called "jungle monkeys" as a perjorative.

Mayhaps callin a white persona lesser primate simply does not carry the weight of history.

Man, even asking these questions is frighteningly ignorant.

....but go ahead...."defend" your religion with this nonsense.

58 posted on 12/09/2009 6:08:23 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I truly believe that Darwinism is inherently racist whether it is true or not......(irrelevant nonsense)...some races would have to be lower or less evolved than other races by definition.

WOw...stooping to lower lows, eh?

59 posted on 12/09/2009 6:15:33 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Kells; freedumb2003
This was typical primitive tribal warfare. God used the Hebrews to punish the Canaanites for sacrificing babies to daemons (equivalent to abortion). Usually, the women of conquered Canannite tribes were taken as concubines and incorporated into the "race". King David's chief wife, Bathsheba, was a Canaanite and his grandmother, Ruth, was an Edomite. Later, God used other nations to punish the Hebrews for adopting sins of the Canaanites.

Nor was it racism.

That kind of tribal warfare wasn't based on race. It was different "countries" (nations) for lack of a better term fighting, no different that the European nations fighting in the two World Wars. You might as well call that racism because the French fought the Germans.

Racism has always been a facet of humanity but Darwin provided a pseuso-scientific justification that provided the philosophical basis for Margret Sanger's Planned Parenthood and Hitler's National Socialism.

The kind of abuse of science that we speak out against, but scientists seem strangely silent on or are seen excusing.

60 posted on 12/09/2009 6:46:04 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry; GodGunsGuts
....and if you don't see the difference in calling Bush a chimp and likening a black person to a monkey........YOU'RE A SUPID SUMMABICH!!!

Enlighten me. Why is it not racism to liken Bush to a chimp but it is racism to liken a black person to a monkey?

If it's racist to liken a black person to a primate because of skin color but not racist to liken a white person to a primate based on skin color, that strikes me as racist thinking as well. The determination is being made strictly based on skin color.

How is preferential treatment based on skin color NOT racism?

61 posted on 12/09/2009 6:55:08 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Enlighten me. Why is it not racism to liken Bush to a chimp but it is racism to liken a black person to a monkey?

I already explained it. If you need further education on the matter, I don't think I can help but I'll try. It's about intent. The intent of calling Bush a chimp is to point out his intellect level as being that of a chimp. The intent of calling a black person a monkey is to make them sub-human........just like whitey's done for centuries of recorded history.

If it's racist to liken a black person to a primate because of skin color but not racist to liken a white person to a primate based on skin color, that strikes me as racist thinking as well.

That's is not happening AT ALL, but nice to know you have the intellect of a chimp. Hint: They are not calling Bush a monkey based on his skin color, Dippy....it's based on him having a lack of intellect.....having the mental abilities of a freakin' chimp.

The determination is being made strictly based on skin color.

OK, can't help you there but I can try to point it out again. Hint: the "determination" is based on a long history of TREATING black people as nothing more than animals....selling them, owning them, beating them, killing them....and a long history of calling black people "monkeys" or "jungle monkeys" to keep them as "subhuman"....you know...3/5 human...so they can be treated differently and whitey doing the treating could feel better about it than if whitey thought they were the same species.

Calling Bush a chimp because he's a stupid summabich with the intellect of a chimp doesn't even belong in the same discussion.

How is preferential treatment based on skin color NOT racism?

....because it's not what is happening. The history of calling black people monkeys was to make whitey superior to black people so whitey could treat them like animals. Calling a white guy a chimp to specifically reflect his lack of intellect is a different animal altogether.

62 posted on 12/09/2009 7:50:53 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: freedumb2003; GodGunsGuts; metmom; Gordon Greene; Orestes5711; editor-surveyor; wagglebee
Not much point in reading further (and I didn’t) — I am sure you entertained yourself with your insult-laden rants.

Yes, I am sure I entertained other readers at your expense and I did take great pleasure in exposing you for the evo-racist libtard you are at heart, freedumbSchickelgruber.

Couldn't come up with any evidence of racism in chemistry, or physics in the late 19th century either, because as you tried to sanitize by an implied "but they all did it -- back then" comaprison to today's clearly racism laced-"science" you were just talking out your stupid freeDUMBASS the whole time!

Busted. (**sticks in the knife and twists**)

You're just another evo-phoney. Get lost.


63 posted on 12/09/2009 7:51:04 AM PST by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
The intent of calling Bush a chimp is to point out his intellect level as being that of a chimp. The intent of calling a black person a monkey is to make them sub-human........just like whitey's done for centuries of recorded history.

So, you're basing the motive of the person doing the comparison on the race of the person receiving the comparison.

Still sounds like it's racist thinking to me.

Calling Bush a chimp because he's a stupid summabich with the intellect of a chimp doesn't even belong in the same discussion.

Not a Bush supporter, were ya?

64 posted on 12/09/2009 8:07:37 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
So that's the 2nd time you've referred to me as a racist, without ever showing taht you have an inkling as to what "racism" is. If you have nothing to say but "I'm too stupid to get it, but you're a racist"....screw.

I'd not go calling any black people "monkeys" to their face if I were you.

I will not attempt to explain it a 3rd time for you to be a dilhole about it and call me a racist a 3rd time.

Heard this before and if you need an explanation as to why that is racist......YOU'RE A STUPID SOB!!! ....and if you don't see the difference in calling Bush a chimp and likening a black person to a monkey........YOU'RE A STUPID SUMMABICH!!!

Stupid is as stupid does, Forrest.

65 posted on 12/09/2009 8:26:48 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Agamemnon

>>Yes, I am sure I entertained other readers at your expense and I did take great pleasure in exposing you for the evo-racist libtard you are at heart, freedumbSchickelgruber.<<

Yes, you and your kind can only “win” through childish insults. That is all you have.

You are exposed as an idiot and a jerk. And, clearly your lack of intelligence and misplaced arrogance makes you a libtard, since you “argue” like one. It ms be painful to be as stupid as you.

Get bent and go away, raggiemember!


66 posted on 12/09/2009 9:26:15 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: gitmo

You cannot really compare a White person to a polar bear. The skin of a polar bear is very dark, and the hair is actually clear and reflects light. So your comparing a White person’s skin color to hair.


67 posted on 12/10/2009 8:43:00 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: GodGunsGuts

That’s not how it works. Um, all races have started mating with each other in an explosion of interracial sex, which is the forecast for this century. It kind of disrupts your list of distinct races. Besides, Darwinism would say that all existing races are the product of successful survival.


68 posted on 12/20/2009 10:21:57 AM PST by JDblackjack
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