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To: Gene Eric

“Leahy: “Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind ...”

Leahy is an idiot x10.

My brother was born in Germany while my parents were stationed there. No doubt my brother was an American citizen being he was born to two American citizens, huh? That must explain why my father had to sign a waiver for my brother when he hit 18 so that he would not be drafted into the German military........ =.=


6 posted on 12/08/2009 6:35:25 PM PST by cranked
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To: cranked

I’m assuming the Leahy quotes in the excerpt reflect the intent of the article. If this is the case, it doesn’t address the situation where it’s not the case both parents are American citizens - one of the arguments made against Obama’s eligibility.

It’s odd that a waiver was required to prevent the Germans from drafting your brother.


8 posted on 12/08/2009 6:52:01 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: cranked
It is not Leahy who is the "idiot" in this case.

The aforementioned resolution affirmed that McCain (whose situation was identical to your brother's) [born on foreign soil to citizen parentS in US military service] IS a natural born US citizen.

So is your brother -- no matter what the Germans think or claim...

12 posted on 12/08/2009 7:29:26 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: cranked

What Germany may try to do, such as draft someone into the military does not determine the citizenship of that individual.

Did your parents obtain a “Report of a U.S. Citizen Born Abroad” for your brother at the time he was born? If so, then that, witout question, certified recognition of his U.S. citizenship by law. That document proves an individual’s citizenship FROM BIRTH.

If your brother was in the States at age 18, and received a draft notice from Germany, it could have simply been ignored.


38 posted on 12/09/2009 8:19:49 AM PST by John Leland 1789 (But then, I'm accused of just being a troll, so . . . .)
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To: cranked
My brother was born in Germany while my parents were stationed there. No doubt my brother was an American citizen being he was born to two American citizens, huh? That must explain why my father had to sign a waiver for my brother when he hit 18 so that he would not be drafted into the German military........ =.=

Actually as far as the US government is concerned, your brother is not only a citizen, but a Natural Born one. This is because your parents were serving the country, and had not taken up residence in Germany. The law is very explicit that anyone born to two US citizen parents is a US citizen, but Vattel's "Law of Nations" has an explicit exemption to the usual "Born in the county of citizen parents" requirement to be Natural Born, for children of citizens born outside a country but "in the armies of the country". It's the same situation as McCain, even if your brother was not born on a US installation.

8 USC 1401:

; (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

Law of Nations

§ 217. Children born in the armies of the state.

For the same reasons also, children born out of the country, in the armies of the state, or in the house of its minister at a foreign court, are reputed born in the country; for a citizen who is absent with his family, on the service of the state, but still dependent on it, and subject to its jurisdiction, cannot be considered as having quitted its territory.

The Germans may of course have other notions, but it is my understanding that in order to be a German Citizen, one must have German citizen parents, and that it's almost impossible to become a naturalized German citizen under most circumstances.

52 posted on 12/09/2009 3:27:10 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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