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Judge halts W.Va. wind farm due to endangered bats
AP on SFGate.com ^ | 12/9/09 | AP

Posted on 12/09/2009 7:48:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Work on a West Virginia wind power project has been halted by a federal judge who sided with environmentalists' claim that the project would harm an endangered bat.

U.S. District Judge Roger Titus issued the order Tuesday, citing potential harm to the federally endangered Indiana bat.

John Stroud, co-chairman of one of the environmental groups that filed the lawsuit, Mountain Communities for Responsible Energy, said group members were "really delighted with the ruling."

"We've been working on this for a while and the judge saw things our way, and we're really pleased," said Stroud, a rare book dealer who owns a farm a mile and a half from the wind power site.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: bats; endangered; moonbats; obama; westvirginia; windfarm
Holy Batguano Batman! That's gonna put a dent in the smart grid.

Besides, what is an Indiana bat doing in W. Virginia in the first place?

1 posted on 12/09/2009 7:48:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Lol...


2 posted on 12/09/2009 7:48:50 PM PST by Dallas59 (No To O -Time is going by really really really really slow.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Besides, what is an Indiana bat doing in W. Virginia in the first place?”

Flying?


3 posted on 12/09/2009 7:49:35 PM PST by BelleAl
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To: Dallas59

Save one small furry animal or build the wind farm to save all the rest ... what a conundrum! No, judge instead says better to save the bat and let the oceans rise ... / sarcasm


4 posted on 12/09/2009 7:50:23 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
Besides, what is an Indiana bat doing in W. Virginia in the first place?

Probably relocated to get away from unemployment and tax rates in IN.

5 posted on 12/09/2009 7:50:34 PM PST by highlander_UW (To anger a conservative tell him a lie. To anger a liberal tell him the truth.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is why I love liberals, they fight with each other all the time and block others advancements. You will never see this in conservative groups.


6 posted on 12/09/2009 7:51:28 PM PST by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: NormsRevenge
I can think of at least one other (moon)bat in this story...

Cheers!

7 posted on 12/09/2009 7:51:28 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s kind of ironic how the most powerful weapons in the liberal quiver to cripple our economy and stifle domestic development were signed into law by their arch nemesis Richard M. Nixon.


8 posted on 12/09/2009 7:56:02 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Between the EPA and opening talks with China.. Ironic indeed.


9 posted on 12/09/2009 7:57:25 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge

Time to pump that there oil!

It is a LOT more eco-friendly than that eeevil wind


11 posted on 12/09/2009 8:00:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: NormsRevenge
bats being protected by barking moonbats...
12 posted on 12/09/2009 8:01:07 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Shame no judge will ask “how much power are these windmills generating?” When the answer is “very little” he should ban the lot.


14 posted on 12/09/2009 8:03:05 PM PST by relictele
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To: NormsRevenge

We knew this was going to happen. The envirowhackos will not be satisfied until everyone except the elite (and the envirowhackos think of themselves as the elite) are living in mud huts.


16 posted on 12/09/2009 8:06:03 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

LOL They’ve all gone batty.


17 posted on 12/09/2009 8:07:04 PM PST by PaleoBob
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To: NormsRevenge

Cool. Green energy thwarted by an endangered species. Environmentalists chasing their tails.


18 posted on 12/09/2009 8:09:08 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Just how endangered can some of these species be? It seems like they are eveywhere anybody wants to build something.


19 posted on 12/09/2009 8:11:02 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Morgana


20 posted on 12/09/2009 8:15:12 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: NormsRevenge

To the headline... It’s abbreviated WV. Why do ppl not know this?! Sorry pet peeve. Also I have met lots of ppl who don’t know that WV is a state. They think it is western Virginia. Lol!


21 posted on 12/09/2009 8:17:35 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: umgud

“Just how endangered can some of these species be? It seems like they are eveywhere anybody wants to build something.”

Nominated for post of the day! LOL!


22 posted on 12/09/2009 8:20:01 PM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The big tent is paralyzed.


23 posted on 12/09/2009 8:21:18 PM PST by RedMDer
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To: NormsRevenge

This is really funny


24 posted on 12/09/2009 8:25:42 PM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: NormsRevenge
The windmills have been popping up like mushrooms on the mountains around here. GE has good friends in WV. I am with the greenies on this, but for a different reason.

First, they are noisy. Second, they are inefficient. Third, they are contributing to the wealth of GE, a big friend of Hussein and Co... but only at the expense of everybody else. sound familiar?


25 posted on 12/09/2009 8:31:16 PM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: WVKayaker

And most important, they are inconsistent; the wind doesn’t blow hard enough sometimes............


26 posted on 12/09/2009 8:33:48 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: NormsRevenge
Bats don't fly into things unless there is something the matter with the bat.

Toss a bat into a cage, one that has bars far enough apart that the bat can go through with its wings folded but not with them extended. The bat will fly around the cage a couple times, head straight for the bars, fold its wings and somersault through the bars and start flying again once it has gained its freedom. I have witnessed this and it is amazing.

The bats sonar,or radar if you will, tells him where things are, such as the cage bars and windmill blades. They would never run into a windmill. This is just BS. I am not an advocate of windmills BTW, but this is just another example of how greenies don't want any power transmission to take place.

27 posted on 12/09/2009 8:37:07 PM PST by calex59
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To: WVKayaker
back in Minnesota, many a farm had windmills and such.. maybe not huge like some out there today but..
in the right spots they can tap energy cheap .. and did before rural electricity arrived
28 posted on 12/09/2009 8:40:34 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge
Besides MCRE, the Animal Welfare Institute was a party to the suit. I looked but don't know where the money came from.
29 posted on 12/09/2009 8:40:59 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Mao was right about power and guns; which is why he confiscated them.)
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To: calex59
The issue isn't bats running into the blades - they're able to avoid them just fine. What kills the bats is the air pressure differential when they fly through the vortex created by the spinning blades. Depending on the their direction relative to the blades, their lungs either collapse or explode. It's been pretty well researched.
30 posted on 12/09/2009 8:46:38 PM PST by stormer
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To: NormsRevenge

Actually the old windmills pumped water into ponds, or storage tanks. They didn’t generate electricity. They aren’t consistent enough or capable of being relied on for that, even today.


31 posted on 12/09/2009 8:50:45 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Carry_Okie

Founded 1951
http://www.awionline.org/

They battled for humane slaughter of animals, fowl , bats is a new one I think, have a few bucks in investments and such, etc..

What do Rockefeller and Byrd have to say ? lol


32 posted on 12/09/2009 8:50:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: WVKayaker

Those really spoil a peaceful view.


33 posted on 12/09/2009 8:52:10 PM PST by Edgewood Pilot
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To: Lakeshark

the wind turned the shaft that turned the diaphragm thingy and water got sucked up or something I thought ..

I agree you need a lot of wind for consistent energy to do muhc with but in some spots it fits well with the lay of the land and did years ago.


34 posted on 12/09/2009 9:00:48 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge
Methinks they want to pour oil on that coal fire, irrespectively, with carpin' crud-its as a sweetener.
35 posted on 12/09/2009 9:18:22 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Mao was right about power and guns; which is why he confiscated them.)
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To: NormsRevenge
They do serve a purpose, but the built a string of them along the mountains next to a coal plant. They can't tell if they are getting much benefit, after a year, but the contracts are in place for more. The maintenance is horrendous, and as I said, they are NOISY!

I am a solar energy guy, but thermal, not PV. You can make hot water cheaply, and save $$$ off your energy bills. You can heat your home, or take a long shower, with only the cost of pumping and circulating. The application of PV and batteries can only add expense with little return as long as the grid is available.

If there is no other power source, I say windmills are better than PV, but they're both far from perfect replacements for what we already have aplenty.


36 posted on 12/09/2009 9:19:56 PM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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First, they are noisy. Second, they are inefficient. Third, they are contributing to the wealth of GE, a big friend of Hussein and Co... but only at the expense of everybody else. sound familiar?

Forth they are probably made in China.

37 posted on 12/09/2009 10:25:55 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Copenhagen Climate Summit; Shovel Ready)
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To: NormsRevenge

Bats navigate at night and find insects for food with a radar-like system, but these morons think that they won’t be able to avoid a big, slow moving wind turbine blade!


38 posted on 12/10/2009 12:03:50 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., hot enough down there today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3

I respectfully disagree. W.Va. is the traditional abbreviation and is correct, except for postal addresses which were shortened for zip code usage.


39 posted on 12/10/2009 1:00:45 AM PST by nolib1776
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To: NormsRevenge
Besides, what is an Indiana bat doing in W. Virginia in the first place?

Anthropogenic Global Warming, combined with eating food contaminated with Artificial Chemical Pesticide Residues addled its internal GPS, creating Wrong Way Syndrome, AKA "Should Have Made A Left At Albuquerque Disease".

It is a Perfect Storm that is fast becoming a Serious Epidemic in critters.


40 posted on 12/10/2009 1:51:00 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Lakeshark

They did both; some were used to power a generator to charge batteries for DC systems on the farm; the majority were for pumping water. Wincharger/Winco was probably the best known


41 posted on 12/10/2009 2:04:13 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: christianhomeschoolmommaof3
Aeons ago, before the US Postal Service shoved its boring two-letter designations for each state down our throats, "W. Va." would have been a common abbreviation for your State's name, as "Penn." or even "Penna." for a certain State to your north.

So ... some folks don't know that WV (AKA W.Va.) is its own State ...

1) Until "The Late Unpleasantness", it wasn't. And when it did become a State (by seceding from a bunch of secessionists), "West Virginia" wasn't the first name proposed for the new State.

2) Some folks have it even worse than you ... many people seem to think that "New Mexico" is not even one of these United States.

42 posted on 12/10/2009 2:31:22 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I was watching Storm Chasers on the Discovery Channel.

One location shot somewhere in the Mid West caught a wind farm in the background.

Windmills as far as you could see.
I can see where migrating birds would be decimated trying to negotiate them.

Plus they are an extreme eyesore.


43 posted on 12/10/2009 2:58:28 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: NormsRevenge
Reminds me of the ol' "Snail Darter" issue that delayed the TVA's Telico Dam project for years, and the "Furbian Lousewort" in the book "Short Circuit", where a bird species was protected until the power capacity shortage led to a near-national blackout.

We can allow these wacko enviro's to create public suffering, but we gotta protect creatures that are more important than humans....

Only the Lefties can cause such crap, while political correctness accomodates it.

44 posted on 12/10/2009 3:25:27 AM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Somewhere out west the wind machines were killing Bald Eagles.


45 posted on 12/10/2009 5:14:41 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: Vinnie

Economy of scale and a need for lots of ‘em to create any significant large amounts of power, like solar panels that also require lots of space to develop levels of power that can sustain loads.. better to build a nuke.

The trade-off ,, as you mentioned.


46 posted on 12/10/2009 8:24:20 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Some folks have it even worse than you ... many people seem to think that “New Mexico” is not even one of these United States.”

That is just sad.


47 posted on 12/10/2009 9:32:20 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: nolib1776

You are right. I guess I just like WV better for some reason. I still sometimes get mails with W.Va. on the envelope.


48 posted on 12/10/2009 9:43:33 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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