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What Defines an Organism? Biologists Say 'Purpose.'
ICR News ^ | December 10, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/10/2009 8:12:50 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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1 posted on 12/10/2009 8:12:53 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom; DaveLoneRanger; editor-surveyor; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; MrB; GourmetDan; Fichori; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 12/10/2009 8:14:31 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Brian Thomas MS* is startlingly dense, isn’t he?


3 posted on 12/10/2009 8:19:43 AM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts

More false conclusions made by the usual suspects.

Far too many inorganic entities and processes exhibit ‘purpose’...

Dust and gas coming together to form suns and planets, magnets sticking together..

Are they “organisms” ???


4 posted on 12/10/2009 8:20:58 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s an animal instinct..like eating. Some people eat to stay alive, some live to eat. The later get fat and die early. That will be $35.00 plus Obama tax which comes to about $20,000. You are welcome.


5 posted on 12/10/2009 8:21:34 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: stormer

He’s one of the most thoughtful popular science writers out there IMHO. The evos hate him because he demonstrates that creation science is far superior to purposeless evolution in a way the average person can understand.


6 posted on 12/10/2009 8:23:49 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Two better questions:
1 What defines an Obamanism?
which naturally leads to:
2 What defines an Obamasm?


7 posted on 12/10/2009 8:23:55 AM PST by ActrFshr
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To: GodGunsGuts

At first glance I thought it said Orgasm..........


8 posted on 12/10/2009 8:27:48 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel

My coffee cup exhibits no self-purpose, I have a purpose for it. It has A purpose assigned by me. It was assembled by a Creator, same as the suns and planets you refer to. They have no self-purpose, but their Creator had a purpose for them.

What is your purpose camel? Why do you deny your Creator? He loves you and wishes you to come to know him.


9 posted on 12/10/2009 8:28:11 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts

LMAO!


10 posted on 12/10/2009 8:28:11 AM PST by stormer
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To: editor-surveyor

C’mon now, this was article was posted by ICR, not Darwin Central!


11 posted on 12/10/2009 8:30:34 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer
"Brian Thomas MS stormer is startlingly dense, isn’t he?

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12 posted on 12/10/2009 8:32:38 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: xcamel

Wow, you almost sound like you are capable of having a genuine conversation. Almost.


13 posted on 12/10/2009 8:33:12 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer

All your bravado aside, you know it’s true. But you can’t bring yourself to face the truth, thus the bravado.


14 posted on 12/10/2009 8:34:35 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: xcamel

Dusts and gases eat things..wow...who knew?


15 posted on 12/10/2009 8:35:22 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: RoadGumby

16 posted on 12/10/2009 8:35:32 AM PST by stormer
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To: GodGunsGuts
He’s one of the most thoughtful popular science writers out there IMHO. The evos hate him because he demonstrates that creation science is far superior to purposeless evolution in a way the average person can understand.

That you still hold that opinion after the number of times Brian has been shown to be ignorant, deceitful, and/or just plain wrong speaks volumes about your standards for science writing. I for one don't hate him, I admire his ability as a propagandist and envy him his job. Maybe I'm just not average enough to fully appreciate him--maybe I just need to know less.

17 posted on 12/10/2009 8:36:39 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: editor-surveyor

Oh ho ho! You’re killing me.


18 posted on 12/10/2009 8:36:45 AM PST by stormer
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To: editor-surveyor

I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that initially misread the title... ;)

For once, I thought Mr. Thomas might have an interesting article on his hands.


19 posted on 12/10/2009 8:38:43 AM PST by FormerRep
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To: editor-surveyor

I thought the same thing. An orgasm does require purpose!


20 posted on 12/10/2009 8:39:11 AM PST by rusty millet
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To: GodGunsGuts

Misread your title.....Thought it read “What Defines an Orgasm”


21 posted on 12/10/2009 8:39:37 AM PST by jrg
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To: stormer

Get thee back to DU. Truly that is the level of their discourse there.


22 posted on 12/10/2009 8:39:58 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts

So what...it is still crap


23 posted on 12/10/2009 8:41:39 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
"Maybe I'm just not average enough to fully appreciate him--maybe I just need to know less."

That statement has greater depth than anything else I have ever read on a crevo thread. A tip of the hat to you.


24 posted on 12/10/2009 8:41:45 AM PST by stormer
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To: rusty millet
"An orgasm does require purpose!"

Yes it does...to stay alive...

On a more serious note...dust does not require consumption.

25 posted on 12/10/2009 8:42:09 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: RoadGumby

Weakest strawman argument of the year award...

Epic fail.


26 posted on 12/10/2009 8:43:36 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: RoadGumby
HA!


27 posted on 12/10/2009 8:43:46 AM PST by stormer
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To: xcamel

Inanimate objects have no self purpose, do they?


28 posted on 12/10/2009 8:44:21 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Sounds like “One purpose for all” is being derived from the same source of “One size fits all”...how monolithic and unimaginative. Of course, that is the purpose.


29 posted on 12/10/2009 8:46:02 AM PST by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: xcamel
What do we care what a speck of dust or a vessel full of gas thinks? Blow away will ya?
30 posted on 12/10/2009 8:46:29 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: stormer

31 posted on 12/10/2009 8:47:01 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
They defined an organism as an entity made up of parts that cooperate well for an overall purpose, and do so with minimal conflict.

Silly me. I always thought the way to determine whether or not something was an 'organism' was anything with the ability to reproduce.

32 posted on 12/10/2009 8:48:43 AM PST by MamaTexan (Government has become a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Earthdweller

What does Cyanobacteria “eat”?

and gas in a large enough quantity (like the sun) consumes itself.

Next...


33 posted on 12/10/2009 8:49:21 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

Nobody asked you what your diet is the question is what are you?...next?


34 posted on 12/10/2009 8:50:38 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: paulycy

35 posted on 12/10/2009 8:52:26 AM PST by stormer
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To: xcamel

...well gases do not necessarily consume themselves. A volume of gas will exchange energetic states until the inherent steric hindrances are eliminated through uniformity of conformation - losing heat as they do so - until they are rendered inert. (Couldn’t resist - the spaghetti monster made me do it)


36 posted on 12/10/2009 8:54:51 AM PST by FormerRep
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To: GodGunsGuts

Genetic replication


37 posted on 12/10/2009 8:55:54 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Earthdweller

Are you the reason for the “Hire the handicapped.. they’re fun to watch” posters?


38 posted on 12/10/2009 8:59:13 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Ha Ha Thats Very Logical

My standards are obviously far above yours, otherwise I would be posting about how nature selects from random processes to create complex, specified, super-sophisticated digital DNA codes, while I ignored the fact that the only empirically verified source for complex, specified, digital codes are intelligent designers.


39 posted on 12/10/2009 8:59:13 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: FormerRep

Inherent..it’s kind of like sterile or maybe engaging in alternatives on a cosmic scale.


40 posted on 12/10/2009 9:01:19 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: Admin Moderator

This belongs in religion. It has nothing to do with defense of religious freedom.


41 posted on 12/10/2009 9:01:21 AM PST by hurly (A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!)
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To: onedoug

Really. What if an organism for whatever reason can’t reproduce? Are you saying that it is no longer an organism?


42 posted on 12/10/2009 9:01:21 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: stormer

“...but Man was too late.”


43 posted on 12/10/2009 9:03:17 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Magnets reproduce just by being near or sometimes rubbing each other... like teenagers.


44 posted on 12/10/2009 9:04:09 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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Yep, you can’t answer the question so you insult. ...I think your purpose is to be the bateria in the punch bowl.


45 posted on 12/10/2009 9:04:12 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: xcamel

What is Your purpose camel?


46 posted on 12/10/2009 9:05:55 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: Earthdweller

I answered your question, you posted a smart@$$ remark, and I returned the favor.

Now get a life.


47 posted on 12/10/2009 9:06:31 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Darwinism cannot admit to purpose as in direction since the whole foundation of Darwinism is chance and circumstance.

As Gould commented, if the the evolutionary clock could be set back and rerun everything in the world would look different since there is no direction or purpose to existence.

For that reason the Darwinist philosophy is also nihilistic, no reason for being here beyond happenstance, no reason for continued existence beyond self survival and then nonexistence.

Darwinism is also a materialistic philosophy in that cannot contemplate existence except for the sake of existence and any ideas beyond that are just part of the necessity of existence.

So I think if Darwinists start using words like purpose they'll be quick to explain no intelligence is implied.

48 posted on 12/10/2009 9:07:16 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Oh,organism...


49 posted on 12/10/2009 9:07:55 AM PST by BigCinBigD
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To: xcamel
"Magnets reproduce just by being near or sometimes rubbing each other.."

Splintering and gathering is not reproducing or consuming, it's sucking and sticking.

50 posted on 12/10/2009 9:08:56 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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