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Obama’s Nobel Speech: Defense Of The Bush Doctrine?
Neoavatara.com ^ | 12/10/09 | Neoavatara!

Posted on 12/10/2009 8:49:30 AM PST by OneVike

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I have to admit, it was one of the strangest speeches Obama has ever given. In Obama usual grand way, his rhetoric was high flying, and a mixture of pragmatism and nonsense. But it does provide a window into his mind, and it is a shocking view.

Obama provided an empassioned defense of America’s wars as ‘just’ wars for humanitarian reasons…something George W. Bush campaigned on worldwide during his presidency.

We must begin by acknowledging the hard truth that we will not eradicate violent conflict in our lifetimes. There will be times when nations – acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified…

But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler’s armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda’s leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism – it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.

I raise this point because in many countries there is a deep ambivalence about military action today, no matter the cause. At times, this is joined by a reflexive suspicion of America, the world’s sole military superpower.

Interesting passages. If you go back and read George W. Bush’s comments to the United Nations prior to the Iraq War, it echoes the exact same sentiment. And the concept of ‘evil’ is intriguing…an evil enemy is one that we judge as

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KEYWORDS: gwbush; obama; pathetic; war
Will the MSM see the significance of Obama defending the Bush Doctrine?
1 posted on 12/10/2009 8:49:35 AM PST by OneVike
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To: OneVike

Its amazing when one gets all the intel and finally concedes that Bush was right....Obama simply can’t vote present. His base must be ripping..


2 posted on 12/10/2009 8:55:11 AM PST by Blue Turtle
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To: OneVike
Obama basically stole the speeches and belief system of President Bush, and he did so while taking a prize and suitcase full of cash that he didn't deserve. While he acknowledges he does not deserve the prize, then why did he accept it anyway? Oh yes, I forgot that he is a de facto narcissist.

The Norwegian idiots who have gravitated and assembled themselves in the name of Obama are nothing more than deranged mental patients of the same caliber as the idiots who followed Jim Jones down to their deaths in Guyana back in '78.

3 posted on 12/10/2009 8:58:36 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: OneVike

Define “the Bush Doctrine.”

Obama sometimes talks a good talk. But his actions reveal him to be thoroughly Marxist.


4 posted on 12/10/2009 9:03:06 AM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: OneVike

I am glad someone here noticed this and pointed it out.

He is definitely endorsing the Bush doctrine here.

I have a rather bipartisan foreign policy theory about presidents. They will always do exactly the opposite of what they promise to do on foreign policy.

Clinton promised to get tough with China. He sold us out to them.

Bush promised not to do nation building. He was a huge nation builder.

Obama promised to get us out of wars. He will continue and increase wars.

There is a practical necessary logic to all of these developments. I think it is becoming true with Obama.


5 posted on 12/10/2009 9:05:53 AM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: OneVike
"Evil does exist in the world...."

Yes, it does, you closet tyrant.

As Raila Odinga's favorite cousin, he fails to acknowledge that he has spent an entire lifetime formulating friendships with extremely evil and dangerous individuals who threaten free people everywhere.


6 posted on 12/10/2009 9:06:43 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: OneVike
Will the MSM see the significance of Obama defending the Bush Doctrine?

Will pigs fly?

7 posted on 12/10/2009 9:14:37 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: OneVike
Cool!

Must've been an inside job that switched the teleprompter speech.

8 posted on 12/10/2009 9:16:07 AM PST by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: OneVike

‘I’ times 30

Is that ‘I’ to the 30th power or simple multiplication/addition?

Is there a square root of ‘I’?


9 posted on 12/10/2009 9:20:47 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: Blue Turtle
Its amazing when one gets all the intel and finally concedes that Bush was right.

Bush, the author of the worsening Afghan quagmire, was right? A better answer is that BOTH Bush and Obama are wrong.

10 posted on 12/10/2009 9:21:42 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: lonestar67

So basically....we are saying that the Bush Doctrine got the Nobel Peace Prize? Is that what we are really saying here?


11 posted on 12/10/2009 9:29:28 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: OneVike

Perhaps President Obama’s speech will get some of his leftist friends off America’s case when it comes to military action.

Nah, who am I kidding?


12 posted on 12/10/2009 9:33:21 AM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Captain Kirk

I really don’t think there is an Afghan “quagmire”

All the Vietnam metaphors are part of a discursive community that taught and raised Obama to believe that America is always wrong.

As in Vietnam, we have not lost any military engagements with the Taliban or Al Qaeda sympathizers. Anti War zealots of all stripes simply define the pragmatics of Afghan politics as failure because we don’t see disneyland in Kabul.

Every year, we are treated to the ‘in the spring, the Taliban will rise up . . .”

If we want to crush them, we will. It is purely an internal conversation with our own public sphere. If we choose to leave, then the Taliban can return to power. Its pretty simple.

The Anti War lefties now have larger megaphones in that conversation within the administration. They never want America to win in an international setting.


13 posted on 12/10/2009 9:47:45 AM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: Captain Kirk

I really don’t think there is an Afghan “quagmire”

All the Vietnam metaphors are part of a discursive community that taught and raised Obama to believe that America is always wrong.

As in Vietnam, we have not lost any military engagements with the Taliban or Al Qaeda sympathizers. Anti War zealots of all stripes simply define the pragmatics of Afghan politics as failure because we don’t see disneyland in Kabul.

Every year, we are treated to the ‘in the spring, the Taliban will rise up . . .”

If we want to crush them, we will. It is purely an internal conversation with our own public sphere. If we choose to leave, then the Taliban can return to power. Its pretty simple.

The Anti War lefties now have larger megaphones in that conversation within the administration. They never want America to win in an international setting.


14 posted on 12/10/2009 9:47:48 AM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: lonestar67
I really don’t think there is an Afghan “quagmire” All the Vietnam metaphors are part of a discursive community that taught and raised Obama to believe that America is always wrong. As in Vietnam, we have not lost any military engagements with the Taliban or Al Qaeda sympathizers

Let me remind you of the Meriam Webster dictionary defination of quagmire (a word which dates from sixteenth century NOT Vietnam)

2 : a difficult, precarious, or entrapping position : predicament

Please tell me specifically which one of these words does NOT apply to the Afghan War. This war has been going on for eight years (far longer than anyone anticipated) and everyone concedes that the Taliban is getting stronger. Finally, the point about winning or losing conventional military "engagements" in a protracted guerilla war is largely meaningless. Washington lost nearly of all of his "engagements" too but he kept his troops in the field, continued to nibble at the enemy until they finally decided it wasn't worth any more blood and treasure and withdrew. The British were better for it too.

15 posted on 12/10/2009 10:14:07 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

I really cannot see where any of the words is descriptive.

Words like quagmire are used to convince the superior American power to withdraw. There is a set of Anti Americans who use our word systems against us. The Taliban and the Anti American warriors are the same rhetorical camp.

The “trick” is always to convince us internally that we have lost and to leave. That is what happened in Vietnam.

I frankly do not think it would be horrible if we left but I would never think we lost. The Taliban are weak ignorant bigoted communities. They don’t deserve sovereignty over other human beings.

I also know that across the world, we will inevitably be back. These thugs cannot content themselves with the small fiefdoms being continually raided by the obscenity of cell phones, TV, and the internet. They have to strike back against the Great Satans. When they do, we will muster the will to crush them again.

They are losing. I don’t care how much the anti warriors romanticize them. They are losing and deserve to lose.

I don’t think of the Taliban as being like George Washington.

Any way forward is fine with me but I will never pretend that either Bush or even Obama “lost” Afghanistan or lead us into a quagmire. Even we sit back and just lob in cruise missiles, that might be fine.

The Taliban’s ideas of human culture are despicable and shameful that is the real point. To the extent that we stay and fight we provide a human vacation— particularly for women— from revolting sovereigns.


16 posted on 12/10/2009 10:46:45 AM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: lonestar67
I frankly do not think it would be horrible if we left but I would never think we lost. The Taliban are weak ignorant bigoted communities. They don’t deserve sovereignty over other human beings.

If that is your foreign policy goal why stop with the Taliban (who never attacked us)? Why not launch wars of liberation throughout Africa or, for that matter, against U.S. allied Islamo-fascist dictatorships such as Egypt and Uzbeckistan?

17 posted on 12/10/2009 11:23:39 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

People think it ridiculous but I don’t flinch at this at all.

I really think we ought to come up with something like these popular gifting catalogues for helping others.

Lets list out all the horrible locales of the world and ask the sovereigns of the world if they are willing to take out the bad guys.

We did liberate Liberia under that premise. The US with about a dozen African nations got it done.

All of these rendezvous are inevitable by the end of the century and they are all easier to knock off than the Soviet Union was. The terrorist will gather there if we don’t so waiting them out does little good.

Let’s put Burma up on a ‘Coalition of the Willing’ chopping block. how many nations are willing to liberate and end their role?

—same thing with North Korea. We could even have covert conversations.

There are roughly 60 democracies including Poland, Australia, India and South korea that might opt in to various overthrows. Obama wants to pretend that Afghanistan is unique in this respect. He is just wrong. The US has never gone it alone though it almost always provides the majority of troops [not in Darfur or liberia].

Let’s start having open conversations among democratic sovereigns about carving up the non-democratic sovereigns. The mere conversations would bring about more reform than the UN centric corruption that essentially guarantees protections for the worst offenders of politics.


18 posted on 12/10/2009 12:05:13 PM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: lonestar67

You make Woodrow Wilson look like a moderate in your vision of world policing. Where do you intend to get the money and blood to pay for this world social engineering? Please note that you will be depending on the scum of American society to carry out your plan: Demopublican politicans. I have a counterproposal. If you and people who agree with you want to undertake this crusade, you should be free to do so with your own money. On the other hand, if any other taxpayers don’t want to pay for it, we should be free to keep our own money and spend it as we see fit. Deal?


19 posted on 12/10/2009 12:48:07 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: pepsionice

This is excellent. We need to keep pounding home this talking point: Obama Reemphasizes Importance of Bush Doctrine.


20 posted on 12/10/2009 12:50:35 PM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: pepsionice

This is excellent. We need to keep pounding home this talking point: Obama Reemphasizes Importance of Bush Doctrine.


21 posted on 12/10/2009 12:50:41 PM PST by riri (Resistance-It's the New Black)
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To: GI Joe Fan

so he took the money? LOL typical liberal.


22 posted on 12/10/2009 1:00:10 PM PST by tioga
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To: tioga
I read somewhere that he is supposed to give the cash to some sort of "charity."

Can one really claim a personal bank account as a "charity?"

:o)

23 posted on 12/10/2009 1:09:11 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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24 posted on 12/10/2009 1:11:46 PM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: OneVike; potlatch; devolve; PhilDragoo

He really spoke of EVIL in the world? I’m stuned...

All his moves are politically calculated (according to his own aides), so who was he trying to reach with his comments? Certainly not the Danes. Maybe opponents to his evil schemes (namely, us)?


25 posted on 12/10/2009 1:46:59 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: OneVike

How long before David Frum’s wife sends out an email claiming that her husband wrote the speech?


26 posted on 12/10/2009 1:52:58 PM PST by x
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To: ntnychik; devolve; PhilDragoo; All
An amazing speech for Obama. Polls are already showing that 44% are wishing Bush was back. That indicates how bad things are for Obama now.

But, long ago, he didn't mind violence when fully supporting Raila Odinga in Kenya.....


27 posted on 12/10/2009 2:49:34 PM PST by potlatch (ACTIONS - Speak Louder Than Words)
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To: OneVike

Is there a Republican mole on the speechwriting team?


28 posted on 12/10/2009 4:57:02 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Captain Kirk

I actually would be fine with that. Isolationism is much more expensive than we realize. I am not worried. Eventually even you wil be angered by what these thugs are spawning. It’s just a matter of time.

Interventions can be done without us troops.


29 posted on 12/10/2009 7:59:52 PM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: lonestar67
Isolationism is much more expensive than we realize.

Well.....we never tried it....so you can't prove that. The closest we came to it was in the late nineteenth century which was generally a time of peace and prosperity. I doubt, however, anything could be as expensive as the annual trillion dollar expense of our empire.

30 posted on 12/10/2009 8:08:22 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: potlatch

Excellent reminder today of just how little 0bama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize.


31 posted on 12/10/2009 8:12:40 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: Captain Kirk

World War II was pretty expensive.

911 was also rather expensive.

Ongoing airport security and the assorted domestic measures designed to insulate us from a world eager to propagandize radicalized hatred against us is also expensive.

As America has emerged from the anonymity of the 19th century, the luxury of isolationism has departed. The World knows who we are and far too many of Them want us all dead. Far too many of Them are led in daily chants of Death to America. The genie will not climb back into the bottle.

Like Michael Ledeen, I simply recommend — Faster Please. Let’s just get this done as soon as reasonably possible. We seem to have appointments that other sick minds are desperate to keep. Let’s show up. Let’s answer their prayers.

Obama is a great opportunity for all the Buchannanites and pacifists to stick their heads in the sands and wait for the next bomb to go off. Its really quite a tour de force for isolationism. Its not just withdrawal but full court apologies to all the America haters. We made you hate us. Its not your fault.

Surely that should bring back the 19th century and a perfect ambivalence about the small invisible nation of America?

I am a little surprised the pendulum is already swinging against the isolationist. Obama seemed today to speak of . . .

e. . v . . . . .i . . .l .?

That must have been a scary moment to see that word pop up on the teleprompter. It seemed as if their might not be things we could simply apologize for and walk away.


32 posted on 12/10/2009 8:39:52 PM PST by lonestar67 ("I love my country a lot more than I love politics," President George W. Bush)
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To: ntnychik
He's not interested in anything more than lip service.

Al Qaeda is evil according to his speech; negotiations won't stop Al Qaeda according to his speech.

Yet he was ready in March to negotiate with the Taliban.

In his campaign he was ready to negotiate with Iran and North Korea.

His SecDef Gates coauthored with Brzezinski the 2004 CFR paper "Iran: Time for a New Approach" calling for negotiations.

U.S. negotiations with North Korea are approaching bilateral talks--a red line for Bush.

This is a flimflam man, a pitch man, a ShamWow guy, a carnie barker, a snake charmer.

The reality of his military is it removes its missile shield from Poland, cancels F-22s that threaten China, fosters Hasan jihadis, telegraphs departure from the battlefield.

JibberJabber Boy-King reads the pretty words of others in his pretty voice and remains the inexorable instrument of American destruction.

33 posted on 12/11/2009 1:31:34 AM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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