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Sarah Palin: The climate crowd, exposed
The Minneapolis Star-Tribune ^ | December 10, 2009 | Governor Sarah Palin

Posted on 12/10/2009 8:46:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

An e-mail scandal demonstrates that matters are uncertain. The issue is, however, politicized. No president should make deals in an environment like that.

With the publication of damaging e-mails from a climate research center in Britain, the radical environmental movement appears to face a tipping point. The revelation of appalling actions by so-called climate-change experts allows the American public to finally understand the concerns so many of us have articulated on this issue.

"Climategate," exposes a highly politicized scientific circle -- the same circle whose work underlies efforts at the Copenhagen climate-change conference. The agenda-driven policies being pushed in Copenhagen won't change the weather, but they would change our economy for the worse.

The e-mails reveal that leading climate "experts" deliberately destroyed records, manipulated data to "hide the decline" in global temperatures, and tried to silence their critics by preventing them from publishing in peer-reviewed journals. What's more, the documents show that there was no real consensus even within the climate-research crowd. Some scientists had strong doubts about the accuracy of estimates of temperatures from centuries ago, estimates used to back claims that more recent temperatures are rising at an alarming rate.

I've always believed that policy should be based on sound science, not politics. Our representatives in Copenhagen should remember that good environmental policymaking is about weighing real-world costs and benefits -- not pursuing a political agenda.

That's not to say I deny the reality of some changes in climate -- far from it. I saw the impact of changing weather patterns firsthand while serving as governor of our only Arctic state.(continued)

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska
KEYWORDS: agw; christianright; climaquiddick; climatechange; climategate; copenhagen; economy; envirofascism; globalwarming; palin; sarahpalin; warmageddon

1 posted on 12/10/2009 8:46:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I hate to disagree with Palin, but politicized environments are the only ones in which presidents make deals. Everything is political at that level.
2 posted on 12/10/2009 8:49:11 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: sthguard

Indeed. But when you hear ‘politicized’ what do you think? I think something dirty, corrupt and hidden. That word evokes a certain in response in all of us.

Besides, the libs and their enviro-wacko allies are going to freak out tomorrow all over again. I wonder if Al Gore has another poem he wants to recite?


3 posted on 12/10/2009 8:53:32 PM PST by ABQHispConservative (A good Blue Dog is an unelected Blue Dog. Ditto Rino's!)
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To: sthguard
I hate to disagree with Palin, but politicized environments are the only ones in which presidents make deals. Everything is political at that level.

Sarah said earlier in her op-ed that the science was politicized. I think that is what she probably meant when she referred to the environment being politicized.

Certainly no president should make deals based on politicized scientific data.

4 posted on 12/10/2009 8:57:15 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: sthguard

science should be free of politics.


5 posted on 12/10/2009 9:09:42 PM PST by ken21 (i am not voting for a rino-progressive.)
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To: ken21

It’ll never happen, IMO. Not in areas involving public policy, anyway.


6 posted on 12/10/2009 9:15:08 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Entrepreneur; livius; DollyCali; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; Thunder90; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 12/10/2009 9:17:28 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Going through the comments, I find a lot of “attack the messenger”. Tripe like “where are Sarah Palin’s scientific credentrials.”

I am not a scientist. I am an engineer. In the state where I am licensed (Texas), fudging data is considered an ethics violation, resulting in suspension or loss of license, as a minimum. If it results in damage, injury, or loss of life, it can result in a felony conviction and prison.


8 posted on 12/10/2009 9:17:38 PM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: FreeReign

I’m with you re politicized data, but I also like this quote from Thomas Sowell: “Facts do not speak for themselves. They speak for or against competing theories. Facts divorced from theories or visions are mere isolated curiosities.”

To draw an analogy, it is a fact that the current healthcare system, in many cases, is prohibitively expensive and overrun by bureaucracy. But we’ve seen very clearly that even when dealing with this basic fact, various thinkers and leaders have proposed vastly different, often competing theories. Likewise, while it’s certainly important to use accurate data whenever possible, neither accuracy nor inaccuracy guarantees the best policy decision.


9 posted on 12/10/2009 9:18:44 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: FreeReign

Please see my post 9.


10 posted on 12/10/2009 9:19:20 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: All

It is important to keep in mind, folks:

This has nothing to do with climate, and everything to do with money.

There was a big gravy train lining up, trillions of dollars worth, and does anyone think they are just going to let that money disappear without a fight?

Not.

On.

Your.

Life.


11 posted on 12/10/2009 9:23:23 PM PST by rlmorel (We are traveling "The Road to Serfdom".)
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To: ken21

Politics should be free of the feeble minded.


12 posted on 12/10/2009 9:24:44 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: sthguard

Likewise, while it’s certainly important to use accurate data whenever possible, neither accuracy nor inaccuracy guarantees the best policy decision.

“Inaccurate data” = “non data.”

Additionally, it’s important for scientists to present data uncorrupted by their own desires to have it fit a previously held conclusion. To corrupt data for this reason is to commit fraud.


13 posted on 12/10/2009 9:30:46 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The comment section in the source article is good fun. A lot of leftards heads exploding. Here’s a great non-leftard post:

Can I join the Sarah Haters club?
It sounds like so much fun. You sit around your PC hitting the refresh button, hoping they publish an article about Sarah Palin. Maybe if you’re lucky they’ll publish one about Michelle Bachmann and you’ll get a twofer.

posted by purplepig on Dec. 10, 09 at 1:13 AM


14 posted on 12/10/2009 9:39:44 PM PST by rae4palin
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To: sthguard

“It’ll never happen, IMO. Not in areas involving public policy, anyway.”

Public policy should be based on the actual facts of the matter.

The issue here is government funding of research (which, with the possible exception of military research, it should not be doing), as well as the entire post-WWII establishment of the “peer review” process. Government grant money funneled through a panel of experts with entrenched views on “legitimate” ways to spend it stifles competition, criticism, and dissent within the scientific community...which is another way of saying that it does nothing but promote the views of the peer review panel and the outcome desired by government to justify its policies.

I had a brief talk about this issue with David Berlinski in New York a few weeks ago (though his topic was alternatives to Darwinian evolution). He agreed that so long as government funding and peer review were in place, all science will be “politicized.”

The AGW scam could never have taken root had dissenting scientists not been afraid to voice such dissent without fear of jeopardizing their careers and incomes. The only way to ensure that happens is to break the virtual monopoly government has on basic scientific research.


15 posted on 12/10/2009 9:43:06 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: GoodDay

Excellent post, thank you.


16 posted on 12/10/2009 9:56:23 PM PST by MonicaG (Thank you to our military & veterans, with love & gratitude. XOXOXO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s interesting that the Star Trib (Red Star) even posted this article. Very out of character. Hummmm.


17 posted on 12/10/2009 9:59:38 PM PST by kneedragger111
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To: sthguard
It’ll never happen, IMO. Not in areas involving public policy, anyway.

What is this public policy you speak of? The public policy our leaders((cough)) are trying to create out of whole cloth via a junk science created problem? It's nothing more than a circle jerk: Our leaders((cough)), misappropriating OUR tax dollars to buy off those in the Scientific Community™ via grants and the like to identify a -- problem. This "problem" of course will require even more taxpayer $$$'s to attack the "problem".

You can bet your last nickel the shyster scientists at the CRU have been getting a steady supply of American greenbacks for the very best, uh, research. Propaganda ain't cheap but if it works it will be (our)money well spent to gain more control over our very lives and our daily bread. Nice work if you can get it...

18 posted on 12/10/2009 10:03:00 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (You have two choices and two choices only: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!)
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To: GoodDay

We’re on the same side here, so I don’t think we’ll get anywhere arguing about this further. Have a good night.


19 posted on 12/10/2009 10:15:12 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: sthguard
I hate to disagree with Palin, but politicized environments are the only ones in which presidents make deals. Everything is political at that level.

True to the point of "consensus" albeit that consensus is not always correct.

And in the case of global warming, despite all the BS floated by Gore and the ever hungry for disaster media, their is no scientifc consensus on either the case that the world has warmed beyond natural cycles, or that humans cause that warming.

This is all about a money and power grab --- nothing else.

It's all a sham.

20 posted on 12/10/2009 10:19:03 PM PST by Ditto (Directions for Clean Government: If they are in, vote them out. Rinse and repeat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Call this global warming fraud Warmageddon. It deserves nothing but ridicule. Make Saul Alinsky happy as he spins in his grave.
21 posted on 12/10/2009 11:24:41 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I LOVE THIS WOMAN.... Keep up the attack Sarah. Never let up, never give in..


22 posted on 12/11/2009 12:05:58 AM PST by crazydad
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To: Ditto
"their is no scientifc consensus on either the case that the world has warmed beyond natural cycles, or that humans cause that warming."

Even the AWG'ers own graphs show that the last interglacial period was significantly warmer than the temps of the last 10-20 years.

Humans MAY well be having an effect, but what if that effect is merely (merely?) to hold off the next major period of glaciation (which is due, by the way.)

To quote something I read a while back, taken over the last million years, or even only the last 100,000 years, "normal is Chicago under a mile of ice!"

23 posted on 12/11/2009 12:47:06 AM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: sthguard

Figuring out the “best policy decision” is not the fundamental problem here. It’s finding the truth, and Palin’s ability to realize this demonstrates her wisdom, in contrast with most other public figures.


24 posted on 12/11/2009 2:47:09 AM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: sthguard

“Everything is political at that level”

But also at that level, politics can still be separated from corruption. Climategate is about corruption more than anything.

Palin knows this and that’s why we need her leadership.


25 posted on 12/11/2009 2:50:36 AM PST by reasonisfaith (When liberal ideology is put into practice it accomplishes, universally, the opposite of its claims.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A sh@t load of MPLS libs’ heads will expload seeing an op-ed written by Sarah Palin in their beloved Red Star Tribune


26 posted on 12/11/2009 3:12:24 AM PST by downwdims (It does not take a majority to prevail... but rather an irate, tireless minority)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thanks for the post. I hope that people keep in mind the crucial issue here, as Sarah points out - yes there is climate change - it is cyclic and has ALWAYS been part of earth's existence - the CRUCIAL aspect t is to what extend human activity has influenced this natural cycle, because is THIS AND ONLT THIS INFLUENCE that can be modified by policy. Given that this influence is in the 2% to 4% range, the economic/political damage of proposed policies seems to be WAY OUT OF PROPORTION to any possible beneficial effects - other than establishing a World Government and the eradication of individual freedom and economic indepandance IMHO
27 posted on 12/11/2009 3:53:45 AM PST by J Edgar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The next step is to make sure that all of Governor Palin’s supporters become active in their local Republican clubs and committees.


28 posted on 12/11/2009 5:44:23 AM PST by snowsislander
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