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THE EPA'S CARBON BOMB FIZZLES
WSJ ^ | December 10, 2009 | Kim Strassel

Posted on 12/10/2009 10:16:39 PM PST by sinanju

"...President Obama, having failed to get climate legislation, didn't want to show up to the Copenhagen climate talks with a big, fat nothing. So the EPA pulled the pin. In doing so, it exploded its own threat.

Far from alarm, the feeling sweeping through many quarters of the Democratic Congress is relief. Voters know cap-and-trade is Washington code for painful new energy taxes. With a recession on, the subject has become poisonous in congressional districts. Blue Dogs and swing-state senators watched in alarm as local Democrats in the recent Virginia and New Jersey elections were pounded on the issue, and lost their seats.

But now? Hurrah! It's the administration's problem! No one can say Washington isn't doing something; the EPA has it under control. The agency's move gives Congress a further excuse not to act.

"The Obama administration now owns this political hot potato," says one industry source. "If I'm [Nebraska Senator] Ben Nelson or [North Dakota Senator] Kent Conrad, why would I ever want to take it back?"

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carbontrade; christianright; climategate; globalwarming; globalwarmingfraud; globalwarminghoax; jameshansen
"...All the more so, in Congress's view, because the EPA "command and control" threat may yet prove hollow. Now that the endangerment finding has become reality, the litigation is also about to become real. Green groups pioneered the art of environmental lawsuits. It turns out the business community took careful notes.

Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don't underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming."

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I knew it was a hollow threat. Let us just see the Dear Leader forced to try to impose Cap n' Tax by bureaucratic fiat. The Blue Dogs are only to happy to let him do it himself rather than involve them.

1 posted on 12/10/2009 10:16:40 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju; Entrepreneur; livius; DollyCali; According2RecentPollsAirIsGood; Thunder90; Little Bill; ..
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 12/10/2009 10:18:52 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: sinanju

Jeez! What an amatuer!


3 posted on 12/10/2009 10:22:07 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: Bad Jack Bauer

Further proof that Chicago-style politics doesn’t play too well on the larger stage.

The Dear Leader should have taken the time to think things through before this latest bit of thuggishness.

If I was a dem Senator I’d say fine, you go right ahead.


4 posted on 12/10/2009 10:24:26 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju

Now if only Obama would get the Dept. of Health and Human Services to do the same with health insurance, his porkulus/cap and tax/socialized medicine trifecta would be complete. :)


5 posted on 12/10/2009 10:39:23 PM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: sinanju

Obamabi thought he was big spit because he ran Chicago. He is a pirahna in a shark tank. There are politicians that have shaken down whole friggin states, not just one city. They brought him on board to play ball, but he wants to own the team. Not gonna happen. The Republicans need only to stay out of the way as the Democrats rip him to shreds over the course of the next three years.


6 posted on 12/10/2009 10:51:16 PM PST by Bad Jack Bauer (Fat and Bald? I was BORN fat and bald, thank you very much!)
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To: sinanju

Talk about your quagmire. Yipes!
How are they going to sweet talk their way out of this one?


7 posted on 12/10/2009 10:52:42 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
Now if Congress would grow a pair and defund EPA down the road to rein in their outrageous behavior.

Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences.

8 posted on 12/10/2009 11:01:04 PM PST by lowbuck (The Blue Card (American passport): Don't leave home without it!!)
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To: Lorianne

He could promise all of the wavering Blue Dogs all manner of cushy jobs with the Soros organizations and well-paid chairs on the board of I.G. Farben (ahem! I meant G.E.) after the voters turn them out.

They just have to take him at his word, that’s all.


9 posted on 12/10/2009 11:03:58 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju

bujmp


10 posted on 12/10/2009 11:08:19 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: sinanju

[[Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don’t underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming.”]]

Oh good golly I hope they do sue the crap out of everyone involved i nthe climate scandal- sue them and then throw them in prison where they belong for defrauding businesses and individuals for far too long now-


11 posted on 12/10/2009 11:10:57 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: sinanju

[[The Dear Leader should have taken the time to think things through before this latest bit of thuggishness.]]

What I winder htough, is where are the GOP making it CLEAR to the public that this administration was trying to use chicago-style thuggery against them? The GOP shoudl be screaming bloody murder- until the maisntream media has NO choice but to report it- but nope- all we get are a few weak-knee’d squeeks about it that the mainstream media ignores-

It’s so nice having a THUG in the presidency, and having hte mainstream media silent on exposing him- [/s] Can you imagine if a Republican tried even a small percentage of the thuggery this administration is doing? The mainstream media would be goign absolutely mental blatting about impeachment- but because Obama is the ‘media darling’ he could most likely literally and figuratively get away with murder and the press would cover for him


12 posted on 12/10/2009 11:15:01 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Bad Jack Bauer
Obamabi thought he was big spit because he ran Chicago. He is a pirahna in a shark tank. There are politicians that have shaken down whole friggin states, not just one city. They brought him on board to play ball, but he wants to own the team. Not gonna happen. The Republicans need only to stay out of the way as the Democrats rip him to shreds over the course of the next three years.

I don't see him anything more than a tadpole. That is not to say he is not surrounded by a tank full of sharks. Not even a piranha needs to say I won.

13 posted on 12/10/2009 11:23:58 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Bad Jack Bauer
Obamabi thought he was big spit because he ran Chicago.

He never ran Chicago. He is a tool of those who do and did. Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod are running the policy shop in this administration. They feed text to TOTUS and it gets read by POTUS.

14 posted on 12/10/2009 11:36:08 PM PST by SFConservative
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To: sinanju
The Blue Dogs are only to happy to let him do it himself rather than involve them.

Tough. Because they are involved, like it or not. If they abdicate their legislative responsibilities to permit appointees to do the dirty, heavy lifting and claim they did not do anything, then the question becomes one of why they have not passed legislation to stop it.

Night time temperatures here have been below zero for a week, daytime highs in the single digits.

If they think they can freeze us out and then come home to a warm reception, they have another think coming.

Keep their feet to the fire, it is up to them to legislate against cap and trade, if need be.

15 posted on 12/10/2009 11:55:09 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: CottShop
The GOP shoudl be screaming bloody murder- until the maisntream media has NO choice but to report it...

Are you kidding? Not with Nancy's nut cracker near by.


16 posted on 12/11/2009 1:17:01 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: sinanju
What's next? Will they regulate Diet Coke? Rename it Klimate Killer Kola?

Ya know what happened the last time an oppressive govt monkeyed with the caffeine supply!!!

17 posted on 12/11/2009 1:24:42 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: Bad Jack Bauer
The Republicans need only to stay out of the way as the Democrats rip him to shreds over the course of the next three years.

somehow I think that's going to start in about 6 months...

18 posted on 12/11/2009 1:40:25 AM PST by blueplum
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To: sinanju; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...
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FReepmail me to get on or off

Climategate rundown (extensive)
Ping me if you find one I've missed.



19 posted on 12/11/2009 4:01:55 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: steelyourfaith
"If [Congress doesn't] pass this legislation," the EPA is going to have to "regulate in a command-and-control way


20 posted on 12/11/2009 5:51:09 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Joe Wilson said "You lie!" in a room full of 500 politicians. Who was he talking about?)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Exactly. That is the language. They are emboldened to use it, just as was Andy Stern of SEIU (Obama's most frequent Whitehouse visitor) exhorting "workers of the world unite".
21 posted on 12/11/2009 6:08:34 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: sinanju

Citizens can, indeed, sue the EPA under the Data Quality Act.

DQA demands that agencies issue regulations based on objective, provable scientific data. And agencies MUST provide a means for AFFECTED citizens (That’s everyone) to correct the data.

Anyone who has a bit of time should demand to see the data the criminal EPA used to issue this illegal regulation. And if the EPA doesn’t comply with the request, a million lawsuits would shut the EPA down. It should also lead to the criminal convictions of the fascists at EPA. And believe me, the EPA is a criminal enterprise from top to bottom.

Here’s a link with more info:
http://library.findlaw.com/2003/Jan/14/132464.html

The troubles for the criminals in the obuma administration are just beginning. King obuma’s connection to the Chicago Climate Exchange and the EPA ruling will lead to his impeachment.


22 posted on 12/11/2009 6:21:58 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: blueplum

I see it already happening.


23 posted on 12/11/2009 7:27:06 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: sergeantdave

And what is to stop them from suspending this proviso or denying the legal actions?

Not saying that legal action is a waste of time just that this bunch of thugs don’t care much about the rule-of-law. Their attitude is, “Go ahead, stop me.” Each time we try and fail, as we have since they keep spending and pushing their agenda, they become more bold.


24 posted on 12/11/2009 7:53:00 AM PST by Sequoyah101 (Half of the population is below average)
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To: sinanju
Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don't underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming."

How do you spell DISCOVERY?

This has the potential to shake loose all that data that Hansen, et al over at NASA are holding on to so tightly.

25 posted on 12/11/2009 1:27:32 PM PST by Sparticus (Libs, they're so open minded that their brains leaked out.)
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To: Sparticus

Hansen and his NASA GISS are the 2nd leg of the tripod. He must really be flop-sweating as the Competitive Enterprise Institute lawsuit inches through the courts.

Unlike the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University Hansen already has a few prior convictions.


26 posted on 12/11/2009 1:31:08 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju
Unlike the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University Hansen already has a few prior convictions.

What convictions are they? I went looking. I couldn't find any.

When you learn of a lightly publicized agreement with Canada for a pipeline to carry oil squeezed from tar sands to the United States, when the president advocates an ineffectual cap-and-trade approach for controlling carbon emissions, when our government funnels billions of dollars to support "clean coal" while treating next-generation nuclear power almost as a pariah, you can recognize right away that our government is not taking a strategic approach to solve the climate problem.

Hansen's some kind of moonbat, but he appears to advocate nuclear energy.

27 posted on 12/11/2009 2:23:56 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem; sinanju

I heard Hansen today on a radio program...maybe Rush played a clip? What he sounded like to me was a bureaucrat who really wants to keep his job and rise in the system.

I thought he was trying to avoid saying anything that could be held against him - by either side. He’s probably a moonbat, but what he is mostly is a functionary doing what he thinks will keep him in his job. He may have personal opinions, but he’s willing to forget them if they prove inconvenient.


28 posted on 12/11/2009 2:45:46 PM PST by livius
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To: sergeantdave

Post of the day

Attaboy


29 posted on 12/11/2009 3:05:13 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: sinanju

Can someone tell me if the EPA will ban the carbonation in my Dr. Pepper? That’s what I want to know...


30 posted on 12/11/2009 3:08:35 PM PST by Senator_Blutarski (No good deed goes unpunished.)
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To: steelyourfaith

LOL...I hope they’re right!!!


31 posted on 12/11/2009 3:18:48 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Sparticus
 
 
Yep - discovery, depositions, subpoenas, cross-examination, affidavits - the whole works. Problem is, will there actually be a truly objective and non-corrupted court system to be found on planet earth to even try it in.
 
 

32 posted on 12/11/2009 3:45:32 PM PST by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: neverdem; sergeantdave; sinanju

Thanks for the ping. Interesting post & thread.


33 posted on 12/11/2009 4:39:41 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Senator_Blutarski

I do believe they will ban yeasts, so there goes the beer and booze.


34 posted on 12/11/2009 5:24:04 PM PST by oyez ( damnant quod non intelligunt)
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To: oyez

Stock up now: guns, ammo, food, water & BOOZE!


35 posted on 12/11/2009 5:27:08 PM PST by hal ogen
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To: sinanju

Oh but they are mistaken to think that all of the dems won’t be blamed for what Obama’s adminstration is doing just as all republican’s were blamed in 2006 for Bush.


36 posted on 12/11/2009 6:23:13 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: lowbuck

I keep thinking that the bi partician committee to be formed on reduing the deficit should suggest that the EPA be cut and the duties turned over to Health and Human services. The transition would take up most of the rest of Obama’s only term and save the country from further destruction.


37 posted on 12/11/2009 6:26:01 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; steelyourfaith
"If [Congress doesn't] pass this legislation," the EPA is going to have to "regulate in a command-and-control way

From an earlier vanity of mine:

An interesting and prescient quotation in this regard comes from John Locke’s Second Treatise of Government §141, 1689:

” The power of the Legislative being derived from the People by a positive voluntary Grant and Institution, can be no other, than what that positive Grant conveyed, which being only to make Laws, and not to make Legislators, the Legislative can have no power to transfer their Authority of making Laws, and place it in other hands.”

Cheers!

38 posted on 12/11/2009 6:59:46 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: sinanju

“Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don’t underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming.” “

As a climate scientist might say .... “Oh Snap! We actually have to prove CO2 is harmful?”


39 posted on 12/11/2009 8:30:17 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: Sparticus

The other thing they can bring in to the courtroom will be the internal EPA memos.

And of course exposure on all the suspect science.

THIS is the kind of evidence that needs to be in the courtroom:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/11/giss-raw-station-data-before-and-after/#more-14001


40 posted on 12/11/2009 9:55:42 PM PST by WOSG (OPERATION RESTORE AMERICAN FREEDOM - NOVEMBER, 2010 - DO YOUR PART!)
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To: grey_whiskers
The power of the Legislative being derived from the People by a positive voluntary Grant and Institution, can be no other, than what that positive Grant conveyed, which being only to make Laws, and not to make Legislators, the Legislative can have no power to transfer their Authority of making Laws, and place it in other hands.

Good stuff. Unfortunately, the EPA heeds neither Locke nor the Constitution. Legal action might be possible, but Anthony Kennedy and 4 other mindless SCOTUS judges ruled in that CO2 is a pollutant that the EPA can regulate.

41 posted on 12/11/2009 10:28:12 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Joe Wilson said "You lie!" in a room full of 500 politicians. Who was he talking about?)
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To: Sequoyah101

“And what is to stop them from suspending this proviso or denying the legal actions?”

Don’t have an answer for you. Conservatives have respect for the rule of law. If that respect ends, the consequences to this country could be devastating for everyone.

Look at our history. After 1783, Americans took revenge against the British loyalists. Only a plea from leaders in the revolutionary movement stopped the shootings, stabbings, hangings and other acts of revenge.

What happens if the Washington criminals continue ignoring the rule of law? I don’t know.


42 posted on 12/12/2009 3:17:17 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Great post.

I agree. The EPA and almost all of these government agencies should be abolished.

Why do liberals and other people trust government or government agencies ?


43 posted on 12/12/2009 9:08:35 AM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: oyez
I do believe they will ban yeasts, so there goes the beer and booze.

I do believe the Endangered Species Act will protect the little beasties in yeast.

It'll be great to have the government agencies suing each other to death in court. They won't have time or the resources to bother us.

44 posted on 12/12/2009 10:15:52 AM PST by metalurgist (Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't go without a fight.)
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To: lowbuck

I’d like to see a coalition of Congressional candidates (including some incumbents) signing a new Contract With America to eliminate the EPA, the Department of Education, to repeal any Health Reform laws, to re-open Guantanamo Bay, to eliminate Capital Gains taxes and to lower tax rates.

Oh yeah, repeal the Hate Crimes laws.


45 posted on 12/12/2009 10:26:00 AM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: sergeantdave

I’ve never heard of the DQA. Why isn’t this more prominent in discussions?


46 posted on 12/12/2009 10:33:11 AM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: gitmo

“I’ve never heard of the DQA. Why isn’t this more prominent in discussions?”

For the same reason that people haven’t heard of ClimateGate - the fascist MSM refuses to report it.

There are a number of laws we can use to slow down and destroy the criminals in the federal bureaucracy. The Data Quality Act is one.

The DQA, in my opinion, is one of the crown legislative jewels passed by the Bush administration. Metaphorically, Bush set a ticking timebomb in Washington to blow up the fascist bureacracy.

As the Endangered Species Act (ESA) included the right of citizens to sue, the DQA includes legislation for citizens to demand answers from the federal fascist bureaucracy, and sue them if the answers aren’t adequate. The key is that all regulations MUST be based on provable, objective science.

The DQA is a counterbalance to the ESA. It gives citizens the right to DEMAND answers and if the answers aren’t adequate, the right to sue the federal fascist bureaucracy. But it goes beyond that. If the bureaucracy doesn’t follow the DQA law, the regulation is nullified, cancelled and thrown in the sh*tcan.

There’s a secondary part to DQA that demands that courts MUST base their decisions on proven, scientific data. The SC decision that the EPA may regulate CO2 as a pollutant is crap. The SC did NOT follow the law as passed by Congress. This is where the Congress must step in and warn the SC that it must follow the law. If it doesn’t, the Congress has the power to step in and tell the SC that it can’t rule on CO2 matters. I believe it’s in Section 3, article two of our Constitution. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong.)

Of course that won’t happen unless we get conservatives into Congress with the will to tell the SC what it can and can’t do.

Let me sum up because this reply is getting long. The obuma administration and Congress are ignoring the rule of law, including the DQA, and the court is ignoring the Bush and congressional command that the courts must use objective scientific facts to arrive at decisions.

The ghetto thug obuma is in power solely because conservatives believe in the rule of law. Should conservatives decide that the rule of law no longer applies, the country will be in serious trouble. King obuma and his fascist democrat party will not survive. Neither will other aspects of our Republic survive. Without the rule of law, we’re animals in the jungle carrying out the law of the jungle - the most fit will survive.

We are in an extremely dangerous period for the survival of the republic.

So that, gitmo, is a brief synopsis of the DQA.

JMHO.


47 posted on 12/12/2009 2:45:30 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: sergeantdave

Excellent. Can I specify the format of the data provided? I don’t want tractor-trailers of paper showing up on my front lawn. A few CDs in SQL XML format would be fine.


48 posted on 12/12/2009 6:46:19 PM PST by gitmo (FR vs DU: n4mage vs DUmage)
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To: gitmo

I would begin by contacting the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The people there have been fighting the federal fascist bureaucracy for decades. Very smart and experienced people. They can tell you what format must be used to challenge a regulation under the DQA.

I believe CEI is here:

http://www.cei.org

If you’re thinking of filing a lawsuit, don’t go to your local federal judge unless he’s a federalist member. Try to file the suit before Federal District Court Judge Lawrence P. Zatkoff.

Zatkoff is a strong constitutionalist who has tangled with the fascist EPA before in Rapanos v US. His judgements are sound, tight and constitutional. His rulings have been heard by the SC and been upheld. Zatkoff, in my opinion, is one of the gems in our federal court system.


49 posted on 12/13/2009 4:15:04 AM PST by sergeantdave
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