Skip to comments.THE EPA'S CARBON BOMB FIZZLES
Posted on 12/10/2009 10:16:39 PM PST by sinanju
"...President Obama, having failed to get climate legislation, didn't want to show up to the Copenhagen climate talks with a big, fat nothing. So the EPA pulled the pin. In doing so, it exploded its own threat.
Far from alarm, the feeling sweeping through many quarters of the Democratic Congress is relief. Voters know cap-and-trade is Washington code for painful new energy taxes. With a recession on, the subject has become poisonous in congressional districts. Blue Dogs and swing-state senators watched in alarm as local Democrats in the recent Virginia and New Jersey elections were pounded on the issue, and lost their seats.
But now? Hurrah! It's the administration's problem! No one can say Washington isn't doing something; the EPA has it under control. The agency's move gives Congress a further excuse not to act.
"The Obama administration now owns this political hot potato," says one industry source. "If I'm [Nebraska Senator] Ben Nelson or [North Dakota Senator] Kent Conrad, why would I ever want to take it back?"
(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...
Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don't underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming."
I knew it was a hollow threat. Let us just see the Dear Leader forced to try to impose Cap n' Tax by bureaucratic fiat. The Blue Dogs are only to happy to let him do it himself rather than involve them.
Jeez! What an amatuer!
Further proof that Chicago-style politics doesn’t play too well on the larger stage.
The Dear Leader should have taken the time to think things through before this latest bit of thuggishness.
If I was a dem Senator I’d say fine, you go right ahead.
Now if only Obama would get the Dept. of Health and Human Services to do the same with health insurance, his porkulus/cap and tax/socialized medicine trifecta would be complete. :)
Obamabi thought he was big spit because he ran Chicago. He is a pirahna in a shark tank. There are politicians that have shaken down whole friggin states, not just one city. They brought him on board to play ball, but he wants to own the team. Not gonna happen. The Republicans need only to stay out of the way as the Democrats rip him to shreds over the course of the next three years.
Talk about your quagmire. Yipes!
How are they going to sweet talk their way out of this one?
Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences.
He could promise all of the wavering Blue Dogs all manner of cushy jobs with the Soros organizations and well-paid chairs on the board of I.G. Farben (ahem! I meant G.E.) after the voters turn them out.
They just have to take him at his word, that’s all.
[[Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don’t underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming.”]]
Oh good golly I hope they do sue the crap out of everyone involved i nthe climate scandal- sue them and then throw them in prison where they belong for defrauding businesses and individuals for far too long now-
[[The Dear Leader should have taken the time to think things through before this latest bit of thuggishness.]]
What I winder htough, is where are the GOP making it CLEAR to the public that this administration was trying to use chicago-style thuggery against them? The GOP shoudl be screaming bloody murder- until the maisntream media has NO choice but to report it- but nope- all we get are a few weak-knee’d squeeks about it that the mainstream media ignores-
It’s so nice having a THUG in the presidency, and having hte mainstream media silent on exposing him- [/s] Can you imagine if a Republican tried even a small percentage of the thuggery this administration is doing? The mainstream media would be goign absolutely mental blatting about impeachment- but because Obama is the ‘media darling’ he could most likely literally and figuratively get away with murder and the press would cover for him
I don't see him anything more than a tadpole. That is not to say he is not surrounded by a tank full of sharks. Not even a piranha needs to say I won.
He never ran Chicago. He is a tool of those who do and did. Rahm Emanuel and David Axelrod are running the policy shop in this administration. They feed text to TOTUS and it gets read by POTUS.
Tough. Because they are involved, like it or not. If they abdicate their legislative responsibilities to permit appointees to do the dirty, heavy lifting and claim they did not do anything, then the question becomes one of why they have not passed legislation to stop it.
Night time temperatures here have been below zero for a week, daytime highs in the single digits.
If they think they can freeze us out and then come home to a warm reception, they have another think coming.
Keep their feet to the fire, it is up to them to legislate against cap and trade, if need be.
Are you kidding? Not with Nancy's nut cracker near by.
Ya know what happened the last time an oppressive govt monkeyed with the caffeine supply!!!
somehow I think that's going to start in about 6 months...
Citizens can, indeed, sue the EPA under the Data Quality Act.
DQA demands that agencies issue regulations based on objective, provable scientific data. And agencies MUST provide a means for AFFECTED citizens (That’s everyone) to correct the data.
Anyone who has a bit of time should demand to see the data the criminal EPA used to issue this illegal regulation. And if the EPA doesn’t comply with the request, a million lawsuits would shut the EPA down. It should also lead to the criminal convictions of the fascists at EPA. And believe me, the EPA is a criminal enterprise from top to bottom.
Heres a link with more info:
The troubles for the criminals in the obuma administration are just beginning. King obuma’s connection to the Chicago Climate Exchange and the EPA ruling will lead to his impeachment.
I see it already happening.
And what is to stop them from suspending this proviso or denying the legal actions?
Not saying that legal action is a waste of time just that this bunch of thugs don’t care much about the rule-of-law. Their attitude is, “Go ahead, stop me.” Each time we try and fail, as we have since they keep spending and pushing their agenda, they become more bold.
How do you spell DISCOVERY?
This has the potential to shake loose all that data that Hansen, et al over at NASA are holding on to so tightly.
Hansen and his NASA GISS are the 2nd leg of the tripod. He must really be flop-sweating as the Competitive Enterprise Institute lawsuit inches through the courts.
Unlike the Climate Research Unit of East Anglia University Hansen already has a few prior convictions.
What convictions are they? I went looking. I couldn't find any.
When you learn of a lightly publicized agreement with Canada for a pipeline to carry oil squeezed from tar sands to the United States, when the president advocates an ineffectual cap-and-trade approach for controlling carbon emissions, when our government funnels billions of dollars to support "clean coal" while treating next-generation nuclear power almost as a pariah, you can recognize right away that our government is not taking a strategic approach to solve the climate problem.
Hansen's some kind of moonbat, but he appears to advocate nuclear energy.
I heard Hansen today on a radio program...maybe Rush played a clip? What he sounded like to me was a bureaucrat who really wants to keep his job and rise in the system.
I thought he was trying to avoid saying anything that could be held against him - by either side. He’s probably a moonbat, but what he is mostly is a functionary doing what he thinks will keep him in his job. He may have personal opinions, but he’s willing to forget them if they prove inconvenient.
Post of the day
Can someone tell me if the EPA will ban the carbonation in my Dr. Pepper? That’s what I want to know...
LOL...I hope they’re right!!!
Thanks for the ping. Interesting post & thread.
I do believe they will ban yeasts, so there goes the beer and booze.
Stock up now: guns, ammo, food, water & BOOZE!
Oh but they are mistaken to think that all of the dems won’t be blamed for what Obama’s adminstration is doing just as all republican’s were blamed in 2006 for Bush.
I keep thinking that the bi partician committee to be formed on reduing the deficit should suggest that the EPA be cut and the duties turned over to Health and Human services. The transition would take up most of the rest of Obama’s only term and save the country from further destruction.
From an earlier vanity of mine:
An interesting and prescient quotation in this regard comes from John Lockes Second Treatise of Government §141, 1689:
The power of the Legislative being derived from the People by a positive voluntary Grant and Institution, can be no other, than what that positive Grant conveyed, which being only to make Laws, and not to make Legislators, the Legislative can have no power to transfer their Authority of making Laws, and place it in other hands.
“Industry groups are gearing up for a legal onslaught; and don’t underestimate their prospects. The leaked emails from the Climatic Research Unit in England alone are a gold mine for those who want to challenge the science underlying the theory of manmade global warming.” “
As a climate scientist might say .... “Oh Snap! We actually have to prove CO2 is harmful?”
The other thing they can bring in to the courtroom will be the internal EPA memos.
And of course exposure on all the suspect science.
THIS is the kind of evidence that needs to be in the courtroom:
Good stuff. Unfortunately, the EPA heeds neither Locke nor the Constitution. Legal action might be possible, but Anthony Kennedy and 4 other mindless SCOTUS judges ruled in that CO2 is a pollutant that the EPA can regulate.
“And what is to stop them from suspending this proviso or denying the legal actions?”
Don’t have an answer for you. Conservatives have respect for the rule of law. If that respect ends, the consequences to this country could be devastating for everyone.
Look at our history. After 1783, Americans took revenge against the British loyalists. Only a plea from leaders in the revolutionary movement stopped the shootings, stabbings, hangings and other acts of revenge.
What happens if the Washington criminals continue ignoring the rule of law? I don’t know.
I agree. The EPA and almost all of these government agencies should be abolished.
Why do liberals and other people trust government or government agencies ?
I do believe the Endangered Species Act will protect the little beasties in yeast.
It'll be great to have the government agencies suing each other to death in court. They won't have time or the resources to bother us.
I’d like to see a coalition of Congressional candidates (including some incumbents) signing a new Contract With America to eliminate the EPA, the Department of Education, to repeal any Health Reform laws, to re-open Guantanamo Bay, to eliminate Capital Gains taxes and to lower tax rates.
Oh yeah, repeal the Hate Crimes laws.
I’ve never heard of the DQA. Why isn’t this more prominent in discussions?
“Ive never heard of the DQA. Why isnt this more prominent in discussions?”
For the same reason that people haven’t heard of ClimateGate - the fascist MSM refuses to report it.
There are a number of laws we can use to slow down and destroy the criminals in the federal bureaucracy. The Data Quality Act is one.
The DQA, in my opinion, is one of the crown legislative jewels passed by the Bush administration. Metaphorically, Bush set a ticking timebomb in Washington to blow up the fascist bureacracy.
As the Endangered Species Act (ESA) included the right of citizens to sue, the DQA includes legislation for citizens to demand answers from the federal fascist bureaucracy, and sue them if the answers aren’t adequate. The key is that all regulations MUST be based on provable, objective science.
The DQA is a counterbalance to the ESA. It gives citizens the right to DEMAND answers and if the answers aren’t adequate, the right to sue the federal fascist bureaucracy. But it goes beyond that. If the bureaucracy doesn’t follow the DQA law, the regulation is nullified, cancelled and thrown in the sh*tcan.
There’s a secondary part to DQA that demands that courts MUST base their decisions on proven, scientific data. The SC decision that the EPA may regulate CO2 as a pollutant is crap. The SC did NOT follow the law as passed by Congress. This is where the Congress must step in and warn the SC that it must follow the law. If it doesn’t, the Congress has the power to step in and tell the SC that it can’t rule on CO2 matters. I believe it’s in Section 3, article two of our Constitution. (Someone correct me if I’m wrong.)
Of course that won’t happen unless we get conservatives into Congress with the will to tell the SC what it can and can’t do.
Let me sum up because this reply is getting long. The obuma administration and Congress are ignoring the rule of law, including the DQA, and the court is ignoring the Bush and congressional command that the courts must use objective scientific facts to arrive at decisions.
The ghetto thug obuma is in power solely because conservatives believe in the rule of law. Should conservatives decide that the rule of law no longer applies, the country will be in serious trouble. King obuma and his fascist democrat party will not survive. Neither will other aspects of our Republic survive. Without the rule of law, we’re animals in the jungle carrying out the law of the jungle - the most fit will survive.
We are in an extremely dangerous period for the survival of the republic.
So that, gitmo, is a brief synopsis of the DQA.
Excellent. Can I specify the format of the data provided? I don’t want tractor-trailers of paper showing up on my front lawn. A few CDs in SQL XML format would be fine.
I would begin by contacting the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The people there have been fighting the federal fascist bureaucracy for decades. Very smart and experienced people. They can tell you what format must be used to challenge a regulation under the DQA.
I believe CEI is here:
If you’re thinking of filing a lawsuit, don’t go to your local federal judge unless he’s a federalist member. Try to file the suit before Federal District Court Judge Lawrence P. Zatkoff.
Zatkoff is a strong constitutionalist who has tangled with the fascist EPA before in Rapanos v US. His judgements are sound, tight and constitutional. His rulings have been heard by the SC and been upheld. Zatkoff, in my opinion, is one of the gems in our federal court system.
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