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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti

STAR BULLETIN EDITION OF AUG. 14TH, ON FILE AT BERKLEY IDENTICAL TO PUBLISHED IMAGES by John Charlton

The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.

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To: null and void
So, you are saying an anchor baby can be president?

Let one run and we'll find out.

201 posted on 12/11/2009 12:41:43 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Kleon

It was Peru,Kansas Madelyn was supposedly born.

Or maybe it was Peru and that is why I can’t find her BC.


202 posted on 12/11/2009 12:43:23 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Captain Kirk
That is settled law.

Then why doesn't Obama speak up? Why doesn't SCOTUS say it is settled law? Why the multiple court cases and refusal to show the BC?

Hells bells, if it is settled law, then Obama needs to settle this once and for all.

203 posted on 12/11/2009 12:46:30 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: azishot
null and void ~ So, you are saying an anchor baby can be president?

azishot ~ Did you ever get an answer? I'm wondering, too.

Of course not. He needs to talk to his handlers to formulate a way out of the box he put himself in.

Maybe they'll just dock his pay.

Or maybe they could "retire" him like they did Leiutenant Quarles Harris...

204 posted on 12/11/2009 12:48:26 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 324 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Fake because you say it is?

Fake to me because Obama refuses to send it along to court for verification he is NBC. Fake because I do not believe Obama is above the same law I have to adhere too. Because I do not want to pay for Obama's legal defense because he refuses to show his BC as we all have to do when it is basic and very simple to do.

205 posted on 12/11/2009 12:52:55 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice
Fake to me because Obama refuses to send it along to court for verification he is NBC.

Why should he?

Fake because I do not believe Obama is above the same law I have to adhere too.

Really? Did you have to present your birth certificate when you ran for president?

Because I do not want to pay for Obama's legal defense because he refuses to show his BC as we all have to do when it is basic and very simple to do.

Can't help you there. Sue the President and the U.S. Attorney's office handles the defense. It's the way it's always been.

206 posted on 12/11/2009 12:55:08 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: F15Eagle

Don’t go by the date exactly. If you wanted to hide vital records you would change dates.

I think the census records showed her age at the time. Let me see if I kept them.


207 posted on 12/11/2009 12:57:18 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Disappointing. That is far weaker than your old answer:
Sat Sep 19 14:04:26 2009 · 226 of 279
Non-Sequitur to null and void
(nully) I'm confused. Do you think anchor babies aren't citizens, or merely that any citizen can become president under the Constitution?

(N-S) Of course not. Only natural born citizens can be president.

So now having gotten away with Barry, you want to further push the envelop?
208 posted on 12/11/2009 12:57:42 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 324 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Gator113
Why would any sane person spend over a million dollars to hide something they knew would not harm them?

If he's spent that much, it's been to respond to all these cases being filed against him, many of which would go ahead regardless of whether he released his birth certificate. The Chrysler case, for example, has nothing to do with Obama being born outside the country and instead focuses on his dual citizenship.

In other words, Obama could release his birth certificate today, and he would still spend money on legal fees responding to challenges to his eligibility.

209 posted on 12/11/2009 12:58:03 PM PST by Kleon
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To: Electric Graffiti

Would this be the same birth announcement that does not say where little Barry was born? What hospital, doctor, weight etc? Plus, lists an address where another family with no connections to Obama is proven to have lived?


210 posted on 12/11/2009 12:58:57 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: mojitojoe
He is here to demean fellow Freepers...

I can't imagine how anyone can do a better job of demeaning you than you do yourself. But you've probably had more practice at it than anyone else.

211 posted on 12/11/2009 1:03:30 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: null and void
Disappointing. That is far weaker than your old answer...

Well I'll just have to learn to live with your disappointment.

212 posted on 12/11/2009 1:05:12 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I appreciate that...


213 posted on 12/11/2009 1:06:36 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 324 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: OafOfOffice
Courts aren't Oracles. They're not all purpose vetting stations for any question someone has. They are set up to adjucate disputes framed in a specific way that makes them legally actionable. No one has yet constructed a case on Obama’s eligibility that a court will even accept, let alone one requiring it to verify Obama’s birth certificate. Absent that, they wouldn't do anything with it if Obama did send it to them.
214 posted on 12/11/2009 1:09:45 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Red Steel; rxsid; All

Name

Location of Birth

Birth Cert #

Date/Time Born

Barack Hussein Obama II

Kapiolani Medical Center

151-61-10641

Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm

Susan Elizabeth Nordyke

Kapiolani Medical Center

151-61-10637

Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm

Gretchen Carter Nordyke

Kapiolani Medical Center

151-61-10638

Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm


Nordyke birth certificates

The Nordyke twins should be in the same newspaper as Obama ... and yet they're not.


215 posted on 12/11/2009 1:15:59 PM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: BP2

Yer just gonna confuse some people by using ACTUAL Long Form Birth Certificates.


216 posted on 12/11/2009 1:18:45 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: F15Eagle

BTW, that’s a purposeful misspelling of “you’re” ... LOL


217 posted on 12/11/2009 1:22:06 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: BP2

That always stumps the trolls.


218 posted on 12/11/2009 1:23:04 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: BP2

As I recall, the mother of those 2 girls said she didn’t recall anyone like the Dunham’s at the hospital. Wonder how many babies that hospital delivered over that 2 day period?


219 posted on 12/11/2009 1:25:09 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: fr_freak

There is also a question of where this information was obtained?

Was it obtained from the hospital subsequent to Obama’s birth, or was it obtained from the hall of records, the official place of government documentation?

Another words, could Obama’s folks have filed a formal documentation of birth at the hall of records, even though he wasn’t born in Hawaii, and the paper have merely picked up on that information to publish a birth announcement?

The long form and the underlying justification for it is what should be provided.

OPompous is fighting the release of that. Why? What possible legitimate reason could he have?


220 posted on 12/11/2009 1:26:44 PM PST by DoughtyOne (A MELTING POT not a potters wheel. Join us. Don't try to turn this nation into the one you fled.)
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To: BP2
Yeah. Right, Columbo. The Nordyke mother sounds like she's just brimming with suspicion over this, too (from the Honolulu Advertiser):

Twin sisters, Obama on parallel paths for years
Born in same hospital within hours of each other, educated together

Retracing the steps of history, Eleanor Nordyke now realizes that she was in labor with twin daughters while Barack Obama, now the president-elect, was being born at what is now Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.

The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.

“I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other,” Nordyke said.

She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.

“She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.”

When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital.

The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.

Nordyke was well into labor by then with girls who were three weeks premature. By 2 p.m. the following day, Susan was born at 5 pounds, 12 ounces, and Gretchen weighed in at 6 pounds, 4 ounces.

As toddlers, the girls called each other “Nunu” and “Nini” “and the other children picked it up, and we held onto it all this time,” Nordyke said.

With the names Nordyke and Obama, the twins were often pictured near Obama in their class yearbooks, their mother said.

The daughters now live on the Mainland, and neither returned repeated telephone messages seeking comment.

But one or both may return to Honolulu in June when their class celebrates its 30th reunion, Nordyke said.

221 posted on 12/11/2009 1:35:04 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Kleon
In other words, Obama could release his birth certificate today, and he would still spend money on legal fees responding to challenges to his eligibility.

FEC filings show Obama paid his personal attorney almost a million ($889,000. or close)the last time I looked. He used campaign funding which was almost gone by his november, december '08 filings.

Obama sued because of presidential action is paid by the people. Obama's refusal to show a document for some nefarious reason should not be paid by taxpayers or the DOJ used. DOJ is there for the people. Not to hide presidential felonies.

If Obama released his BC in court, forensics declared it authentic and it was traceable to Hawaii records,this issue would be dropped by the majority. It is his refusal that has created this fiasco.His I am better than you arrogance.

If the BC has two foreign born parents then the issue of eligibility would become front and center. The argument would be what is considered NBC. I would expect Ginsberg to say Obama is NBC because her grandson is.

If the BC says,Stanley Ann was employed by CPUSA,then it is a embarrassment for Obama.

If Obama had a late filed BC, there would be a amendment. Like,mother issued a letter informing about the birth and was accepted by the courts for late filing. That's a problem for obama because he said hewas born in a hospital where there would not be a late filing. Plus BC's were given to foreign born at the time in Hawaii.

If Obama never formally changed his name back from Soetoro after he came back from Jakarta,then he has a problem on legal documents, law license, filing in each state for POTUS run, etc.

I agree with the Chrysler lawsuit by the plaintiff. They have standing to ask if Obama was eligible to be POTUS. They have a right to know if he is eligible before going forward to fight the Unconstitutional way this was done by Obama and his radical admin. Was Obama eligible to make the decision to ruin their livelihood? If not then it will be the American people who pay them back for everything they lost.

Considering there was no rhyme or reason to which dealerships were shut down. Some say those shut down were partisan reasons only. And the fact with one phone call some in Obama's admin were able to stop the shutting down of a particular dealership of a buddy says this court case has a very good chance of winning.

222 posted on 12/11/2009 1:38:27 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice

I agree that Obama is probably hiding something (perhaps an illegitimate birth) but there is no doubt about his citizenship, that is unless you can show that his legal mother was not American born. If you can’t, case closed: he is a natural born American citizen.


223 posted on 12/11/2009 1:40:26 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: Red Steel
Not relevant. Jackson was born in 1767. You figure it out.

Interesting response. Are you arguing that if Andy Jackson was born in 1790, the fact that both his parents were foreign born WOULD have been disqualified from becoming president on that basis? Are you arguing that Spiro Agnew was not a legal veep because his father was Greek? If so, you stand completely alone in making this argument in the entire sweep of American history.

224 posted on 12/11/2009 1:44:45 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: trumandogz
The Framers must have had some great foresight and trust. Foresight to know that Hawaii would one day be a state and trust in the Hawaii State Legislature to define U.S. citizenship.

Realistically, do you think that the framers had the foresight to, and would accept a British citizen (Indonesian?) to be the President (usurper) of the new United States of America???

225 posted on 12/11/2009 1:48:35 PM PST by danamco
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To: Captain Kirk

Read U.S. Constitution Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5, you’ll get the answer.


226 posted on 12/11/2009 1:49:57 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Captain Kirk
So you agree that any future president along with Obama should deny any personal records? Say to the people,hey if you prove I am not who I say I am then do it?

There is no proof Obama is a NBC. NONE! If there was obama would have sent a lapdog into court with the document. His copy would never make first base in court and he knows it.

227 posted on 12/11/2009 1:50:08 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: tired_old_conservative

You seem tired. Maybe a nap would help.


228 posted on 12/11/2009 1:51:14 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: TalBlack

After that I believe I have seen McLame’s B.C. posted for everyone to see, but NOT Soetoro’s!!!


229 posted on 12/11/2009 1:52:47 PM PST by danamco
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To: Captain Kirk
Birthers are a special breed with unique and vastly superior insights into all historical and legal issues, to a degree that we mere practitioners are hopelessly inadequate to comprehend. The sweep of history is as nothing to the cosmic purity of their certainty.
230 posted on 12/11/2009 1:54:50 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: OafOfOffice
Or one of these ...


231 posted on 12/11/2009 1:55:18 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: OafOfOffice
“You seem tired. Maybe a nap would help.”

Actually, I'm a firm advocate of the nap. It's a great vehicle for clearing away pointless clutter in the mind. You should give it a try.

232 posted on 12/11/2009 1:56:56 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Non-Sequitur
So, you are saying an anchor baby can be president? Let one run and we'll find out.

Should this happen BEFORE or AFTER your buddy Barry makes 20 million illegals brand new democRat voters?

233 posted on 12/11/2009 1:57:01 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Fake because you say it is?

NOOO, because it has been shown here a few times how easy it is to fake a COLB, that even you and I can do on our laptops!!!

234 posted on 12/11/2009 1:59:18 PM PST by danamco
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To: F15Eagle

Barf!!!!!!!


235 posted on 12/11/2009 1:59:44 PM PST by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Where would he have gotten foreign passports?

520 W 123rd #5w, New York, NY
236 posted on 12/11/2009 2:03:27 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: thecraw

Aw, c’mon. Hope. Change.

They are the ones they’ve been waiting for.

Obama girl video. The rise of the oceans began to slow.

Nobel Peace Prize winner.

(hope the /sarc tag isn’t necessary)


237 posted on 12/11/2009 2:03:45 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Fake to me because Obama refuses to send it along to court for verification he is NBC. Why should he?

Why shouldn't he?

Fake because I do not believe Obama is above the same law I have to adhere too. Really? Did you have to present your birth certificate when you ran for president?

I have shown it for much less than running for president. In fact the things I did show it for I can be a foreign born. POTUS cannot. YOU are actually posting that POTUS does not have to verify citizenship? Otherwise that makes no sense.

Because I do not want to pay for Obama's legal defense because he refuses to show his BC as we all have to do when it is basic and very simple to do. Can't help you there. Sue the President and the U.S. Attorney's office handles the defense. It's the way it's always been.

Actually no it hasn't and it should not be now. But when your buddy is Chief of DOJ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/legal022599.htm

Essaye said that as of the end of October Clinton's legal bills totaled $9 million.

238 posted on 12/11/2009 2:04:10 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: danamco
Nonsense. COLBs are acceptable legal documents. It is easy to play around with extant electornic images on software; it's not so easy to get the seals and other security features right, although true professional criminals might be able to. You or I would get nailed if we tried to pass off one of our creations.

And again, the Obama campaign prof erred a COLB it claimed to have obtained from Hawaii. The State of Hawaii does not dispute the accuracy of the information, and has in fact affirmed that information for anyone willing to listen.

So yeah, it is fake just because you say so, which does mean nothing.

239 posted on 12/11/2009 2:11:21 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: azishot; hoosiermama; onyx; penelopesire; azkathy; maggief

GREAT move!!! Some cheap business cards
placed about would work, too ....


240 posted on 12/11/2009 2:12:44 PM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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To: F15Eagle

Social Security Death Index
about Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham
Name: Madelyn Lee Payne Dunham
SSN: ***-**-7458
Last Residence: 96826 Honolulu, Honolulu, Hawaii
Born: 26 Oct 1922
Died: 2 Nov 2008
State (Year) SSN issued: California (Before

Father: Stanley Armour Dunham b: 23 MAR 1918 in WICHITA, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS, UNITED STATES
Mother: Madelyn Lee Payne b: 26 OCT 1922 in WICHITA, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS, UNITED STATES


241 posted on 12/11/2009 2:14:33 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice
Again, courts are not one-stop NBC verification shops. There is no requirement to do that, and they won't do it for you unless someone has articulated to them a legally actionable case that requires it. No one has. So you are excoriating Obama for not demanding the Courts do something they don't have to and won't.
242 posted on 12/11/2009 2:14:58 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: STARWISE; azishot; DJ MacWoW; ~Kim4VRWC's~

LOL.

Where’s the Birth Certificate? notes left in restrooms!!!!

Hahahahahahahaha. Love the idea!


243 posted on 12/11/2009 2:16:33 PM PST by onyx
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To: Gemsbok

I have an account with Net Detective and Ancestry.com - I just checked both and while her SS Death Index comes up, there is no record on either for a Stanley A. Dunham on her b-day listed on social security.

Things that make you go hmmmmmm


244 posted on 12/11/2009 2:18:41 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Okay!
Gotcha!


245 posted on 12/11/2009 2:19:40 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice

That is his Grandparents, his mother, Stanley A. Dunham was born in November 26, 1942 according to her SSDI Death Index

Try to find a birth certificate for her though, anywhere in the US.


246 posted on 12/11/2009 2:26:15 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: tired_old_conservative
So you are excoriating Obama for not demanding the Courts do something they don't have to and won't.

I am not excoriating Obama for not demanding the courts do something they don't have to and won't. Why would I do that when Obama is anything but a honest person? Ihave much more on him to excoriate him about.

I am taking Obama to task for his refusal to show a simple document and get this over with. In the original Berg case he requested the courts verify Obama's BC. Bauers answer, dismiss the case. The courts cannot force Obama to step down but they can petition congress to verify it and answer eligibility questions real citizens of the United States have.

247 posted on 12/11/2009 2:30:10 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: BP2

Do we have this last name for Soetoro?

Lolo Soetoro Mangunharjo


248 posted on 12/11/2009 2:34:09 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Red Steel

I have. His mother was American therefore he is natural born.


249 posted on 12/11/2009 2:35:13 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: OafOfOffice
So you agree that any future president along with Obama should deny any personal records? Say to the people,hey if you prove I am not who I say I am then do it?

I dunno. Name me ONE president in American history who was required to present these personal records. Certainly, the Constitution does not require such personal records. Heck, we didn't even have birth certificated back in 1789! Again, are you arguing that he was not born to an American mother? Otherwise, what is your point?

250 posted on 12/11/2009 2:38:02 PM PST by Captain Kirk
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