Skip to comments.Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti
STAR BULLETIN EDITION OF AUG. 14TH, ON FILE AT BERKLEY IDENTICAL TO PUBLISHED IMAGES by John Charlton
The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.
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Make no mistake, BHO and his cronies will push this nation to armed revolution before the next presidential election. The puppet master behind this president wants this, as do most leftists who hold office.
What's irrelevant is your point about Jackson because he was qualified to be president under the US Constitution regardless what nationality his mother or father had at the time of his birth. Andrew Jackson was a US Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and resided in the United States for 14 years.
Your points in your argument are specious at best. Having two parents as US citizens and being born in the United States is without question a natural born citizen. All other types of citizens, statutory or native born, are not NBC.
“Having two parents as US citizens and being born in the United States is without question a natural born citizen. All other types of citizens, statutory or native born, are not NBC.”
In your opinion. Courts are on record disagreeing.
The Constitution says he must be natural born citizen. In todays world we prove that by records. When America was small they probably shot them before they hit land. They were definately not NBC. /JK
What I am saying is already posted in my comments here in this thread.
I do not feel anyone here should have to wonder about their presidents allegiance. And everyday he proves he is Anti America so it is a valid question.
Tell me when,after BC's were around, we have had a president who had no history in America that could be traced? That hid his parents and grandparents? Tell me when we had a mysterious, where the h*ll did he come from, person in the White House?
Things are different with Obama. He has a extremely radical past and friends and no verification he is NBC. In fact there are reasons to believe he is not NBC so it is time for him to step up and answer the call.
People were not concerned about Bush because his parents are front and center and in politics. People were not concerned about Clinton because his mother and brother were around and he had a political past as governor. People were not concerned about Kennedy because his family was a huge part of his campaign. They were not hidden. Same with Carter. There just was not a reason to question where they were born.
Everything we know about Obama is in his book and everyone is to assume it is factual. You are setting a terrible precedent for future presidential candidates. Mullah's will post a BC online and you will cheerfully say, It's all good!
I am determined to not have this happen in the future. And I am determined as Lloyd Marcus said, to get Obama out of office as soon as possible.
Show us the proof she was American. You have bought into Obama hype and that is not proof.
Then the same can be said of any document, correct? So what constitutes proof of anything any more?
The presumption would be that the UC-Berkeley library has a collection of microfilms/microfiches of a number of out-of-town newspapers covering whatever dates they do, that the Honolulu Star Bulletin would happen to be one of them, and that the library's HSB holdings include the date of the announcement of Obama's birth.
There need not be any link of Obama to the UC-Berkeley campus.
But, though not implausible, I find that the library's permanent holding of the HSB is unlikely. Could it be that on request of the citizen-investigator, the UC-Berkeley library called another library in Hawaii to send them the microfilm or microfiche asked for by the requester and then sent it on to him or her?
BTW, it would be interesting to see if the birth announcement(s) of the Nordyke twins - who we know were born in Hawaii one day before Obama's putative DOB - are also in that same listing that same day. If not, why not?
What requires him, or any other presidential candidate, to do so?
I have shown it for much less than running for president. In fact the things I did show it for I can be a foreign born. POTUS cannot. YOU are actually posting that POTUS does not have to verify citizenship?
Actually I am. No presidential candidate before Obama was required to prove their natural-born citizenship status. That's the unfortunate fact of the matter, and a colossal loophole that some state or Congress will have to close.
Actually no it hasn't and it should not be now. But when your buddy is Chief of DOJ...
It has been for decades, in cases like this one. Republican, Democrat, makes no difference. Sue the president in the performance of his duties and the U.S. Attorney handles it.
That's because Clinton was sued for something he was supposed to have done while governor, not president.
Once Obama ran for POTUS she saw the BC online and said her twins were born around that time. She did not see Stanley Ann in the hospital or know Obama was born that day. She simply assumed as a few others in denial do that Obama's stories are true.
I’m not the one that is detested on FR. You are.
Not nearly as childishly illogical as those who concoct elaborate explanations on how Obama could be born in Kenya but his birth announcement still made it into the paper in the same issue as all those children born in the same week were. Those strain all bounds of credibility.
The assertion that these are "obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing" is pure supposition on your part.
As opposed to all the other explanations?
. You have no idea where these announcements came from, yet you are willing to accept, as fact, a theory that you just pulled out of your rear end.
Where do you get your theories from? A dozen or so birth announcements, for the same children, worded exactly the same way, in the same order, in two different papers. How do you explain it if not some data dump from the local governmental department?
Once again, you are demonstrating non-logical thinking.
OK, then demonstrate logical thinking. What's your explanation?
That would have been totally unnecessary. If Obama really had been born outside the US, it is true he would not be a US citizen at brith. However, because his mother was a US citizen, he would be entitled to a nonquota immigrant visa, easily obtained from any US consolate, allowing him to legally enter the US with his mother. Upon his arrival, he would then be eligible for immediate naturalization. All his mother would have to do was fill out a form, show proof of her own US citizenship and that she was his biological mother, and he would be a citizen in as little time as it would take to process the paperwork.
This is all under the the Immigration and Nationality act of 1952.
Now why in the world would Stanley Ann risk a felony conviction and commit fraud to get her son citizenship, when she could have easily obtained it through legal means?
So when & where are the Nordykes listed.....?
(when a "not" is known, it's good to know the known too....)
Nope. The courts have avoided the issue.
See post 263. Even if Obama weren't born in the US, his mom could obtain US citizenship for him easily and legally. Why in the world would she risk a felony conviction by trying to fraudulantly register his birth in Hawaii?
Oh woe is me! Mojitojoe detests me! Scratch that, mojitojoe and his buddies detest me! What ever will I do? How can I possibly carry on?
Yes we do. If you look at the top of the page, the paper clearly indicates that they come from the Department of Health. A spokesman for one of the papers also confirmed that in 1960's, all the announcements came directly from the department.
FYI, the birthers actually have a point on this. You know what they say about broken clocks.
If Obie Jr. really really was born outside the US (I know he wasn't, but let's pretend for a minute), he would not be a US citizen at birth because his mother did not meet the residency requirements to convey automatic US citizenship on her son. The 1952 immigration and nationality act required the US citizen parent to have lived in the US for at least 5 years following her 16th birthday. Being only 19 years old, she did not meet that requirement.
But of course, this is all moot since he was born in Hawaii.
Some birthers use the above to establish a motive for her to have fraudulantly registered his birth in Hawaii. That argument fails because her status as a US citizen would entitle her to naturalize her son as soon as she returned to the USA. Now why would she risk a felony fraud conviction when she could obtain citizenship for her son through perfectly legal means?
Nordyke worked as a Population research fellow at the East-West Center at the same time Dunham was there so the story goes tired posted. So Stanley Ann met Barack senior and Lolo at this east west center?
From another source online.
At the time of Barack’s birth, both of his parents were students at the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa; Barack’s stepfather, Lolo SOETORO, was also a student at the East-West Center.
I find it interesting it speaks of microfinance that Stanley Ann was involved in Indonesia along with Geithners father. Their mission is also interesting.
Mission and Organization Overview
Over its nearly fifty years of serving as a U.S.-based institution for public diplomacy in the Asia Pacific region with international governance, staffing, students, and participants, the Center has built a worldwide network of more than 55,000 alumni and 600 partner organizations.
Okay, so obama was suppose to be vetted properly before he became eligible to run for POTUS. Obama cannot prove his eligibility now or he refuses to do so.
This happened before he was president and was a senator. According to you if it happened before becoming President Taxpayers don’t pay for their legal defense, right? He conned everyone before he was elected.
Thanks, check your FRMail
“Show us the proof”
I didn’t mean to pick on just you, OOF, but wanted to quote an appropriate post for framing my question.
I mean this question honestly.
If Obama were to supply a physical copy of his COLB or original (provided he still has it, as he claims in his memoir), to whom should he provide the original copy?
The courts don’t want it (based on last count I think it’s about two dozen courts who have refused to consider the question). And if you think that’s a conspiracy, my only retort is that birthers are likely the worst legal forum-shoppers ever.
Should Obama provide a copy (assuming only one exists in the original “long-form”) to the media? What if they found it valid? I doubt that would satisfy anyone here, even if it was Fox News (the last place Obama would give it to).
I just don’t understand specifically what the birthers are asking for when they ask this question. Who or what exactly is the forum to which to submit these documents for verification?
I agree that the states should adopt measures to ensure in-house verification of qualifications for 2012, but when people here say “show the long form” or “show the original” I have no idea what that means other than a computer-generated copy, which will never satisfy any birther. None of us are going to actually see any of these things in person.
If you don't like the vetting requirements, work to change them in your state. But what's done is done.
Because it helps them. He is doing the math, and he is still sees it as painting the opposition as kooks. Can’t put a price on marginalizing the opposition.
We are not going to find any "smoking gun". We can hope for dirt to be uncovered, but frankly the man is already covered in dog shiite. Dirt would be a step up for him. I beg anyone who has ears to hear this: It is about the Constitution, fellow Freepers. It will never be about a birth certificate. The certificate is a ploy in one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated. The smokescreen is the millions paid to lawyers as though something sinister is to be discovered in Hawaii. The most is the we can obtain from the bc is further verification of O's father as a British subject. They have conspired to hand us over to our enemies, these "men of honor" in our government. They changed the Constitution before our eyes, just like Copperfield made the jet aircraft disappear a few years back...
NS has been here a lot longer then you joe
So the two are even?
In what matter are they even??
At least we got to see McLam's long-form with all the details your usurper don't want us to see!!
Not a future president (usurper), but because they then could game the system with multiple social security numbers and the like!!!
I did not know anyone who wants Obama's old birth certificate he said he found in a book. I want a Hawaii records certified long form birth certificate because he said he was born in Hawaii. A gvmt vital records everyone born in America and living now has.
You feel a child is born in the US, they are given one copy of their BC and we have no other official records?
Obama has to release from Hawaii records the original long form that states the hospital, physician etc. Hawaii records said he has a form of BC there. As you recall they said they could not release it unless Obama signed?!
Everyone has seen the copy online of what Obama wants everyone to believe, I know few who want to see another. I want forensic, signed and sealed and traceable in Hawaii records.
Obama can release it to all of congress and senate,but the release must allow it to be traceable in Hawaii records. In other words, I want to see it on all records pertaining to Obama as I do with my family who has nothing to hide.
I mean come on, what is he hiding on a BC? It is the most innocent document a human can ever have.
These are questions that the lemmings will do their best to cover up and deflect!!!
Maybe you think it is silly that he is also a British/E.U. citizen with voting rights in U.K.!!!
beneath his intellectual status
LOL! Did you forget the sarcasm tag for the Kansas king of copy and paste?
Actually, the idea came from FReeper wintertime.
I’ve left them on car windows, books and/or magazines that are for sale...be creative!
and? That means nothing, absolutely nothing. My wife belongs to a fashion forum and some of the worst trolls are some of the oldest members. Take a stroll back through NS’s posts on the forum. Look at the name calling, how he stalks the BC threads. Besides, no wonder you would take up for him since you are on the troll list floating around.
Okay,tired. You believe that Obama may have become POTUS through fraudulence but it is all good because he was able to pull it off.
Show me where it says Obama must stay in office if proven not eligible?
There is no assumption on my part. Obama's online BC verified by his people means as much to me as Obama's ACORN recently saying they did nothing wrong by their own investigation. If there was proper vetting Hawaii would be allowed to release Obama's BC.
It was assumed Obama had been vetted properly by Chicago thugocracy. Pelosi wanted power so bad she signed off on the vetting. Obama WAS NEVER VETTED properly.
And if there was a inkling to vetting you mention, Cheney would be first to show the records as he was mentioned in a lawsuit. Cheney was duped by the false vetting and he knows it.
You see tired, when someone is caught in multiple lies, most people do not believe them. At that point you need to show some validation. Other wise you get a whole lot of lawsuits and poll numbers dropping like climategate validity.
“You believe that Obama may have become POTUS through fraudulence but it is all good because he was able to pull it off.”
There is nothing demonstrably fraudulent.
He met the vetting requirements that exist, whether you like them or not.
He has a legal COLB that says he was born in Hawaii, one that the state of Hawaii isn't disputing.
A court in Indiana has upheld existing Supreme Court precedent that you don't have to have two citizen parents to be an NBC. He was elected and inaugurated with everyone knowing his father wasn't a citizen.
Game over. Against that, your suspicions are meaningless. Obama doesn't have to prove the negative. You have to prove he did something wrong. And let's see... Hmmm. To date you have no legally actionable cases a court will act upon even defined, let alone meaningful evidence to dispute any of the above.
If proven ineligible, I wouldn't say Obama must stay in office. Show me where you've got anything even close to doing that, because all the hyperventilating paranoia on these threads won't cut it.
Legally, it doesn't have to mean anything to you. Your suspicions have no legal standing.
“If there was proper vetting Hawaii would be allowed to release Obama’s BC.”
No state requires that. Legally, the COLB is adequate to establish place of birth.
It’s just a high stakes three card monte game, and all they are doing is hiding the real BC. We arent fooled.
There is nothing demonstrably fraudulent.
What do you need to demonstrate Obama is a fraud? Or do you care, more to the point? Prove he did not defraud the people in each state he ran? Show his original BC with hospital and physician. Do you have one? I can underatand if you are not from here not understanding natural born and birth certificates.
Obama was not vetted at all. There is no records to prove he was anywhere but Pelosi's signature saying she did. There's a stellar recommendation most would refuse.
Because no one thought a communist fraudulently could get into office, does not mean we have to keep him there. Criminals have been dealt with before and in countries not based on freedom as are in America. Obama will be found out. Truth always wins over evil.
Goodnight tired. Your posts are merely obama/axelrod talking points.
What is the Chrysler lawsuit? I have not heard of that one.
No, the spokesman for the newspaper said as far as he knew they were supplied by the dept of health, but he wasn’t around then. He also didn’t know if they only came that way.
I remember threads about that or at least discussed that particular point.
If you can find direct quotes that support what you said, post em!