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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti

STAR BULLETIN EDITION OF AUG. 14TH, ON FILE AT BERKLEY IDENTICAL TO PUBLISHED IMAGES by John Charlton

The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.

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To: Tahoe3002
I believe you are correct on all counts about BHO, and revolution.

Make no mistake, BHO and his cronies will push this nation to armed revolution before the next presidential election. The puppet master behind this president wants this, as do most leftists who hold office.

251 posted on 12/11/2009 2:40:42 PM PST by exnavy (God save the republic)
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To: Captain Kirk
If you are worried about the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen, do you apply the same standard to Andrew Jackson? Unlike Obama, BOTH of his parents were non-citizens at the time of his birth.

What's irrelevant is your point about Jackson because he was qualified to be president under the US Constitution regardless what nationality his mother or father had at the time of his birth. Andrew Jackson was a US Citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution and resided in the United States for 14 years.

Your points in your argument are specious at best. Having two parents as US citizens and being born in the United States is without question a natural born citizen. All other types of citizens, statutory or native born, are not NBC.

252 posted on 12/11/2009 2:56:32 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Non-Sequitur
Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Apparently you did not actually read the post you replied to. You are engaged in the same fallacy that many "anti-birthers" engage in, where you assert that some grand conspiracy to make Obama president is necessary for his mother or grandparents to want to ensure his citizenship. That is simply untrue, and is, quite frankly, childishly illogical. If you want to make a real argument, re-read the post and address the points made. Otherwise, you are just making yourself look silly.

Here is another example of your lack of coherent logic:

Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing.

The assertion that these are "obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing" is pure supposition on your part. You have no idea where these announcements came from, yet you are willing to accept, as fact, a theory that you just pulled out of your rear end. That is fine - absent the proper documentation, theory is all we have to go on, but it is supremely ironic that you'll accept your own supposition as fact while ridiculing better-grounded suppositions of "birthers". Once again, you are demonstrating non-logical thinking.
253 posted on 12/11/2009 3:11:20 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Red Steel

“Having two parents as US citizens and being born in the United States is without question a natural born citizen. All other types of citizens, statutory or native born, are not NBC.”

In your opinion. Courts are on record disagreeing.


254 posted on 12/11/2009 3:16:20 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Captain Kirk
Obama was born before 1789? Holy Cow! I am not making a defined point. YOU ARE! You seem to think that no validation is in Obama's favor. BS!

The Constitution says he must be natural born citizen. In todays world we prove that by records. When America was small they probably shot them before they hit land. They were definately not NBC. /JK

What I am saying is already posted in my comments here in this thread.

I do not feel anyone here should have to wonder about their presidents allegiance. And everyday he proves he is Anti America so it is a valid question.

Tell me when,after BC's were around, we have had a president who had no history in America that could be traced? That hid his parents and grandparents? Tell me when we had a mysterious, where the h*ll did he come from, person in the White House?

Things are different with Obama. He has a extremely radical past and friends and no verification he is NBC. In fact there are reasons to believe he is not NBC so it is time for him to step up and answer the call.

People were not concerned about Bush because his parents are front and center and in politics. People were not concerned about Clinton because his mother and brother were around and he had a political past as governor. People were not concerned about Kennedy because his family was a huge part of his campaign. They were not hidden. Same with Carter. There just was not a reason to question where they were born.

Everything we know about Obama is in his book and everyone is to assume it is factual. You are setting a terrible precedent for future presidential candidates. Mullah's will post a BC online and you will cheerfully say, It's all good!

I am determined to not have this happen in the future. And I am determined as Lloyd Marcus said, to get Obama out of office as soon as possible.

255 posted on 12/11/2009 3:17:07 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Captain Kirk
I have. His mother was American therefore he is natural born.

Show us the proof she was American. You have bought into Obama hype and that is not proof.

256 posted on 12/11/2009 3:22:56 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: danamco
NOOO, because it has been shown here a few times how easy it is to fake a COLB, that even you and I can do on our laptops!!!

Then the same can be said of any document, correct? So what constitutes proof of anything any more?

257 posted on 12/11/2009 3:27:21 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: EDINVA; MissTickly; Candor7; pissant; BP2; patriot08; george76; SatinDoll; thouworm; ...
Any reason it would be on file at Berkeley?

The presumption would be that the UC-Berkeley library has a collection of microfilms/microfiches of a number of out-of-town newspapers covering whatever dates they do, that the Honolulu Star Bulletin would happen to be one of them, and that the library's HSB holdings include the date of the announcement of Obama's birth.

There need not be any link of Obama to the UC-Berkeley campus.

But, though not implausible, I find that the library's permanent holding of the HSB is unlikely. Could it be that on request of the citizen-investigator, the UC-Berkeley library called another library in Hawaii to send them the microfilm or microfiche asked for by the requester and then sent it on to him or her?

BTW, it would be interesting to see if the birth announcement(s) of the Nordyke twins - who we know were born in Hawaii one day before Obama's putative DOB - are also in that same listing that same day. If not, why not?

258 posted on 12/11/2009 3:30:25 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: OafOfOffice
Fake to me because Obama refuses to send it along to court for verification he is NBC. Why should he? Why shouldn't he?

What requires him, or any other presidential candidate, to do so?

I have shown it for much less than running for president. In fact the things I did show it for I can be a foreign born. POTUS cannot. YOU are actually posting that POTUS does not have to verify citizenship?

Actually I am. No presidential candidate before Obama was required to prove their natural-born citizenship status. That's the unfortunate fact of the matter, and a colossal loophole that some state or Congress will have to close.

Actually no it hasn't and it should not be now. But when your buddy is Chief of DOJ...

It has been for decades, in cases like this one. Republican, Democrat, makes no difference. Sue the president in the performance of his duties and the U.S. Attorney handles it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/legal022599.htm

That's because Clinton was sued for something he was supposed to have done while governor, not president.

259 posted on 12/11/2009 3:32:23 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: tired_old_conservative
But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002. “She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.” When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital. The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.

Once Obama ran for POTUS she saw the BC online and said her twins were born around that time. She did not see Stanley Ann in the hospital or know Obama was born that day. She simply assumed as a few others in denial do that Obama's stories are true.

260 posted on 12/11/2009 3:32:24 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I’m not the one that is detested on FR. You are.


261 posted on 12/11/2009 3:32:39 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: fr_freak
That is simply untrue, and is, quite frankly, childishly illogical.

Not nearly as childishly illogical as those who concoct elaborate explanations on how Obama could be born in Kenya but his birth announcement still made it into the paper in the same issue as all those children born in the same week were. Those strain all bounds of credibility.

The assertion that these are "obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing" is pure supposition on your part.

As opposed to all the other explanations?

. You have no idea where these announcements came from, yet you are willing to accept, as fact, a theory that you just pulled out of your rear end.

Where do you get your theories from? A dozen or so birth announcements, for the same children, worded exactly the same way, in the same order, in two different papers. How do you explain it if not some data dump from the local governmental department?

Once again, you are demonstrating non-logical thinking.

OK, then demonstrate logical thinking. What's your explanation?

262 posted on 12/11/2009 3:37:41 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: fr_freak; trumandogz
If Obama's mama (or grandparents) understood this, and wanted to ensure that Obama had the very valuable gift of American citizenship, they simply would have gone through the motions to pretend that he had been born in Hawaii.

That would have been totally unnecessary. If Obama really had been born outside the US, it is true he would not be a US citizen at brith. However, because his mother was a US citizen, he would be entitled to a nonquota immigrant visa, easily obtained from any US consolate, allowing him to legally enter the US with his mother. Upon his arrival, he would then be eligible for immediate naturalization. All his mother would have to do was fill out a form, show proof of her own US citizenship and that she was his biological mother, and he would be a citizen in as little time as it would take to process the paperwork.

This is all under the the Immigration and Nationality act of 1952.

Now why in the world would Stanley Ann risk a felony conviction and commit fraud to get her son citizenship, when she could have easily obtained it through legal means?

263 posted on 12/11/2009 3:39:33 PM PST by curiosity
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To: BP2
The Nordyke twins should be in the same newspaper as Obama ... and yet they're not.

So when & where are the Nordykes listed.....?

(when a "not" is known, it's good to know the known too....)

264 posted on 12/11/2009 3:41:10 PM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: tired_old_conservative
In your opinion. Courts are on record disagreeing.

Nope. The courts have avoided the issue.

265 posted on 12/11/2009 3:41:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009
Obviously, the grandparents would want to file in Hawaii and take advantage of their lax laws to get ole Barry American Passport etc.

See post 263. Even if Obama weren't born in the US, his mom could obtain US citizenship for him easily and legally. Why in the world would she risk a felony conviction by trying to fraudulantly register his birth in Hawaii?

266 posted on 12/11/2009 3:43:14 PM PST by curiosity
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To: mojitojoe
I’m not the one that is detested on FR. You are.

Oh woe is me! Mojitojoe detests me! Scratch that, mojitojoe and his buddies detest me! What ever will I do? How can I possibly carry on?

267 posted on 12/11/2009 3:43:41 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: rawcatslyentist
Every American Citizen must PROVE he is such to obtain employment in this nation.

A COLB will suffice.
268 posted on 12/11/2009 3:44:36 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: fr_freak; Non-Sequitur
You have no idea where these announcements came from

Yes we do. If you look at the top of the page, the paper clearly indicates that they come from the Department of Health. A spokesman for one of the papers also confirmed that in 1960's, all the announcements came directly from the department.

269 posted on 12/11/2009 3:46:36 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Man50D
It's now up to two million.

Source please. I won't hold my breath waiting for it.
270 posted on 12/11/2009 3:48:41 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Non-Sequitur
See post #263 for a debunking of the birther claim that mama Obama had a motive to fraudulantly register Bambi as being born in Hawaii had he really been born outside the US.
271 posted on 12/11/2009 3:48:56 PM PST by curiosity
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To: exnavy
Make no mistake, BHO and his cronies will push this nation to armed revolution before the next presidential election. The puppet master behind this president wants this, as do most leftists who hold office.

I disagree. I can't what benefit there would be for the Left to push this country into armed revolution when they are having such success moving the US into socialism without having to fire a shot. Revolution would be a HUGE risk, because the conservative US population is armed to the teeth and most of the military would side with them. I think the Left wants to push the socialist agenda through bureaucracy and legislation, and they are counting on Americans being too passive to resist by force.
272 posted on 12/11/2009 3:50:29 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Non-Sequitur
Not nearly as childishly illogical as those who concoct elaborate explanations on how Obama could be born in Kenya but his birth announcement still made it into the paper in the same issue as all those children born in the same week were.

My posts focused solely on one or two points. You used illogical thinking to argue with those points, and are now attempting to use other non-related arguments rather than continue discussing those points. Discussions like that get nowhere. Other people on this thread have addressed your concerns on your point above, so go argue with them on that issue.
273 posted on 12/11/2009 3:58:06 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: Captain Kirk
His mother was American therefore he is natural born.

FYI, the birthers actually have a point on this. You know what they say about broken clocks.

If Obie Jr. really really was born outside the US (I know he wasn't, but let's pretend for a minute), he would not be a US citizen at birth because his mother did not meet the residency requirements to convey automatic US citizenship on her son. The 1952 immigration and nationality act required the US citizen parent to have lived in the US for at least 5 years following her 16th birthday. Being only 19 years old, she did not meet that requirement.

But of course, this is all moot since he was born in Hawaii.

Some birthers use the above to establish a motive for her to have fraudulantly registered his birth in Hawaii. That argument fails because her status as a US citizen would entitle her to naturalize her son as soon as she returned to the USA. Now why would she risk a felony fraud conviction when she could obtain citizenship for her son through perfectly legal means?

274 posted on 12/11/2009 4:00:30 PM PST by curiosity
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To: BP2

Nordyke worked as a Population research fellow at the East-West Center at the same time Dunham was there so the story goes tired posted. So Stanley Ann met Barack senior and Lolo at this east west center?

From another source online.

http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/FGS/O/ObamaBarackHussein-StanleyAnnDunham.shtml

At the time of Barack’s birth, both of his parents were students at the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa; Barack’s stepfather, Lolo SOETORO, was also a student at the East-West Center.

I find it interesting it speaks of microfinance that Stanley Ann was involved in Indonesia along with Geithners father. Their mission is also interesting.

http://www.eastwestcenter.org/home/

http://www.eastwestcenter.org/research/research-program-overview/population-and-health/

Mission and Organization Overview
Over its nearly fifty years of serving as a U.S.-based institution for public diplomacy in the Asia Pacific region with international governance, staffing, students, and participants, the Center has built a worldwide network of more than 55,000 alumni and 600 partner organizations.


275 posted on 12/11/2009 4:03:24 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Okay, so obama was suppose to be vetted properly before he became eligible to run for POTUS. Obama cannot prove his eligibility now or he refuses to do so.

This happened before he was president and was a senator. According to you if it happened before becoming President Taxpayers don’t pay for their legal defense, right? He conned everyone before he was elected.


276 posted on 12/11/2009 4:21:34 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Brytani

Awesome.
Thanks, check your FRMail


277 posted on 12/11/2009 4:26:15 PM PST by Gemsbok (Dead men tell no tales!)
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To: OafOfOffice

“Show us the proof”

I didn’t mean to pick on just you, OOF, but wanted to quote an appropriate post for framing my question.

I mean this question honestly.

If Obama were to supply a physical copy of his COLB or original (provided he still has it, as he claims in his memoir), to whom should he provide the original copy?

The courts don’t want it (based on last count I think it’s about two dozen courts who have refused to consider the question). And if you think that’s a conspiracy, my only retort is that birthers are likely the worst legal forum-shoppers ever.

Should Obama provide a copy (assuming only one exists in the original “long-form”) to the media? What if they found it valid? I doubt that would satisfy anyone here, even if it was Fox News (the last place Obama would give it to).

I just don’t understand specifically what the birthers are asking for when they ask this question. Who or what exactly is the forum to which to submit these documents for verification?

I agree that the states should adopt measures to ensure in-house verification of qualifications for 2012, but when people here say “show the long form” or “show the original” I have no idea what that means other than a computer-generated copy, which will never satisfy any birther. None of us are going to actually see any of these things in person.


278 posted on 12/11/2009 4:37:43 PM PST by LibertarianAdam (Let the government protect our borders, then leave us alone within them)
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To: OafOfOffice
Like another poster, you're assuming that because you aren't satisfied with the vetting, it didn't occur. That's not true. Whether it was adequate vetting or not, it met the legal requirements that exist. There was no omission on Obama’s part, and therefore no pre-Presidential liability.

If you don't like the vetting requirements, work to change them in your state. But what's done is done.

279 posted on 12/11/2009 5:11:44 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Gator113

Because it helps them. He is doing the math, and he is still sees it as painting the opposition as kooks. Can’t put a price on marginalizing the opposition.


280 posted on 12/11/2009 5:23:27 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Electric Graffiti
"I believe in large part it debunks the notion that the announcements were somehow forged. To be honest, I was somewhat crestfallen that Barry’s birth appeared. I was looking for the smoking gun…"

We are not going to find any "smoking gun". We can hope for dirt to be uncovered, but frankly the man is already covered in dog shiite. Dirt would be a step up for him. I beg anyone who has ears to hear this: It is about the Constitution, fellow Freepers. It will never be about a birth certificate. The certificate is a ploy in one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated. The smokescreen is the millions paid to lawyers as though something sinister is to be discovered in Hawaii. The most is the we can obtain from the bc is further verification of O's father as a British subject. They have conspired to hand us over to our enemies, these "men of honor" in our government. They changed the Constitution before our eyes, just like Copperfield made the jet aircraft disappear a few years back...

281 posted on 12/11/2009 5:24:15 PM PST by scottiemom ("As a Texas public school teacher, I would highly recommend private school")
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To: mojitojoe

NS has been here a lot longer then you joe


282 posted on 12/11/2009 5:25:00 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Congress did pretty much the same thing for Obama with their resolution on the 50th anniversary of Hawaian statehood. So the two are even.

So the two are even?

In what matter are they even??

At least we got to see McLam's long-form with all the details your usurper don't want us to see!!

283 posted on 12/11/2009 5:26:38 PM PST by danamco
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To: Non-Sequitur
Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Not a future president (usurper), but because they then could game the system with multiple social security numbers and the like!!!

284 posted on 12/11/2009 5:30:33 PM PST by danamco
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To: LibertarianAdam
If Obama were to supply a physical copy of his COLB or original (provided he still has it, as he claims in his memoir), to whom should he provide the original copy?

I did not know anyone who wants Obama's old birth certificate he said he found in a book. I want a Hawaii records certified long form birth certificate because he said he was born in Hawaii. A gvmt vital records everyone born in America and living now has.

You feel a child is born in the US, they are given one copy of their BC and we have no other official records?

Obama has to release from Hawaii records the original long form that states the hospital, physician etc. Hawaii records said he has a form of BC there. As you recall they said they could not release it unless Obama signed?!

Everyone has seen the copy online of what Obama wants everyone to believe, I know few who want to see another. I want forensic, signed and sealed and traceable in Hawaii records.

Obama can release it to all of congress and senate,but the release must allow it to be traceable in Hawaii records. In other words, I want to see it on all records pertaining to Obama as I do with my family who has nothing to hide.

I mean come on, what is he hiding on a BC? It is the most innocent document a human can ever have.

285 posted on 12/11/2009 5:31:19 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Vendome

These are questions that the lemmings will do their best to cover up and deflect!!!


286 posted on 12/11/2009 5:35:28 PM PST by danamco
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To: Captain Kirk

Maybe you think it is silly that he is also a British/E.U. citizen with voting rights in U.K.!!!


287 posted on 12/11/2009 5:38:00 PM PST by danamco
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To: Vendome

beneath his intellectual status
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LOL! Did you forget the sarcasm tag for the Kansas king of copy and paste?


288 posted on 12/11/2009 5:38:43 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: onyx; wintertime

Actually, the idea came from FReeper wintertime.

I’ve left them on car windows, books and/or magazines that are for sale...be creative!


289 posted on 12/11/2009 5:39:15 PM PST by azishot (MERRY CHRISTMAS!!)
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To: MilspecRob

and? That means nothing, absolutely nothing. My wife belongs to a fashion forum and some of the worst trolls are some of the oldest members. Take a stroll back through NS’s posts on the forum. Look at the name calling, how he stalks the BC threads. Besides, no wonder you would take up for him since you are on the troll list floating around.


290 posted on 12/11/2009 5:42:07 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: tired_old_conservative
But what's done is done.

Okay,tired. You believe that Obama may have become POTUS through fraudulence but it is all good because he was able to pull it off.

Gotcha!

Show me where it says Obama must stay in office if proven not eligible?

291 posted on 12/11/2009 5:42:44 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Like another poster, you're assuming that because you aren't satisfied with the vetting, it didn't occur. That's not true. Whether it was adequate vetting or not, it met the legal requirements that exist.

There is no assumption on my part. Obama's online BC verified by his people means as much to me as Obama's ACORN recently saying they did nothing wrong by their own investigation. If there was proper vetting Hawaii would be allowed to release Obama's BC.

It was assumed Obama had been vetted properly by Chicago thugocracy. Pelosi wanted power so bad she signed off on the vetting. Obama WAS NEVER VETTED properly.

And if there was a inkling to vetting you mention, Cheney would be first to show the records as he was mentioned in a lawsuit. Cheney was duped by the false vetting and he knows it.

You see tired, when someone is caught in multiple lies, most people do not believe them. At that point you need to show some validation. Other wise you get a whole lot of lawsuits and poll numbers dropping like climategate validity.

292 posted on 12/11/2009 5:59:59 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice
You're statement is incorrect.

“You believe that Obama may have become POTUS through fraudulence but it is all good because he was able to pull it off.”

There is nothing demonstrably fraudulent.

He met the vetting requirements that exist, whether you like them or not.

He has a legal COLB that says he was born in Hawaii, one that the state of Hawaii isn't disputing.

A court in Indiana has upheld existing Supreme Court precedent that you don't have to have two citizen parents to be an NBC. He was elected and inaugurated with everyone knowing his father wasn't a citizen.

Game over. Against that, your suspicions are meaningless. Obama doesn't have to prove the negative. You have to prove he did something wrong. And let's see... Hmmm. To date you have no legally actionable cases a court will act upon even defined, let alone meaningful evidence to dispute any of the above.

If proven ineligible, I wouldn't say Obama must stay in office. Show me where you've got anything even close to doing that, because all the hyperventilating paranoia on these threads won't cut it.

294 posted on 12/11/2009 6:01:47 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: OafOfOffice
“There is no assumption on my part. Obama’s online BC verified by his people means as much to me as Obama’s ACORN recently saying they did nothing wrong by their own investigation.”

Legally, it doesn't have to mean anything to you. Your suspicions have no legal standing.

“If there was proper vetting Hawaii would be allowed to release Obama’s BC.”

No state requires that. Legally, the COLB is adequate to establish place of birth.

295 posted on 12/11/2009 6:05:11 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Electric Graffiti

obumpa


296 posted on 12/11/2009 6:10:18 PM PST by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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To: tired_old_conservative

It’s just a high stakes three card monte game, and all they are doing is hiding the real BC. We arent fooled.


297 posted on 12/11/2009 6:20:09 PM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Nothing you posted here is reality. You are repeating the same TIRED posts with nothing to back up your position.

There is nothing demonstrably fraudulent.

What do you need to demonstrate Obama is a fraud? Or do you care, more to the point? Prove he did not defraud the people in each state he ran? Show his original BC with hospital and physician. Do you have one? I can underatand if you are not from here not understanding natural born and birth certificates.

Obama was not vetted at all. There is no records to prove he was anywhere but Pelosi's signature saying she did. There's a stellar recommendation most would refuse.

Because no one thought a communist fraudulently could get into office, does not mean we have to keep him there. Criminals have been dealt with before and in countries not based on freedom as are in America. Obama will be found out. Truth always wins over evil.

Goodnight tired. Your posts are merely obama/axelrod talking points.

298 posted on 12/11/2009 6:20:49 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: OafOfOffice

What is the Chrysler lawsuit? I have not heard of that one.

Thanks.


299 posted on 12/11/2009 6:42:03 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: curiosity; fr_freak

No, the spokesman for the newspaper said as far as he knew they were supplied by the dept of health, but he wasn’t around then. He also didn’t know if they only came that way.

I remember threads about that or at least discussed that particular point.

If you can find direct quotes that support what you said, post em!


300 posted on 12/11/2009 6:44:49 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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