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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti


The Post & Email has just received PDF files from a highly credible source, establishing that the birth annoucement in the Star Bulletin Edition of Aug. 14, 1961, for Barack Hussein Obama, is authentic.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
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To: dalight
First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written. It required both parents to be Citizens (Naturalized is fine) and the individual to be Born in the US. (Except for persons who were simply Citizens on the date of the adoption of the Constitution. - Which BO doesn't qualify)

You speak as though this definition is actually in the Constitution.

61 posted on 12/11/2009 5:40:23 AM PST by Kleon
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To: F15Eagle
There's no evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham knew Davis nine months before Dunham’s child was born. Of course this is mandatory for Davis to be the father. Everything I've heard is that Davis and the Dunham family met in the middle sixties. Until someone can show that they met in 1960 or before, yes, a coincidence.

Nothing in my pet theory demands that Davis was the father.

62 posted on 12/11/2009 5:43:40 AM PST by Cheburashka ("Allahu Akbar!" translates as "Kill me and stuff bacon in my mouth!")
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To: fr_freak; trumandogz
Given the circumstances, if Obama were born outside the US, it is entirely possible that his mother's status was not enough to convey citizenship due to her young age (the Hawaii statutes that existed at the time, from my understanding, required the mother to have been a full time resident of the US for at least five years prior to the birth) and the father, of course, could not convey citizenship status at all.

Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.

Makes perfect sense...if your tinfoil beanie is on too tight.

With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?

Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing. If they were the result of people phoning the information in then wouldn't you think there would be some variation in the wording and differences in the information included?

Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias...

We don't have to paint Birthers as nut-jobs. They do a bang-up job of that all on their own.

63 posted on 12/11/2009 5:46:18 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: dalight
First and foremost, Natural Born status is a constitutional test that was established when the Constitution was written. It required both parents to be Citizens (Naturalized is fine) and the individual to be Born in the US. (Except for persons who were simply Citizens on the date of the adoption of the Constitution. - Which BO doesn't qualify)

Then you should have no problems pointing out what article of the Constitution that constitutional test is in.

64 posted on 12/11/2009 5:49:06 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Fresh Wind
Barack’s grandparents wanted him to grow up as an American (with all the advantages that would give him), rather than as a Kenyan.

And even if he had been born in Kenya what would have prevented that from happening if no conspiracy to doctor the records had occured? Would his mother have been prevented from returning to the states with him? No, she was a citizen and he was her son. Admission would have been automatic. Would it have prevented him from growing up in the U.S., getting an education and a job? No. So why the rush and why the big conspiracy to get everything into the paper and fake U.S. birth?

65 posted on 12/11/2009 5:52:41 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: balls
More importantly, it confirms he was born to a father who was a British subject and, therefore, he is ineligible to be president.

Based on what clause of the Constitution or what rule of law?

66 posted on 12/11/2009 5:53:42 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: timetostand
Yes and!!! I thought the question was is he a NATURAL born citizen?? But I guess that is just Constitutional mumbo jumbo!

"Mumbo-Jumbo" is a racist term. It would have been used by the dead white men who wrote the Constitution, which thereby invalidates the document. If The Electoral College and the Chief Justice chose to ignore Article II and install a de facto, rather than a de jure POTUS, so be it. They think.

What has happened is an anti-constitutional coup. How to get it undone? Tough. The Constitution they undid also protects them, because only Congress can remove a President. IMHO, that's an unlikely scenario, since they, acting as The Electoral College, put him in.

That fact that only Congress can remove a President doesn't change even if, after another year or two of legal maneuvers to force the issue, the Federal District Court in DC issues the Writ of Quo Warranto, and BHO, Jr. is found ineligible. We can however, absolutely prevent BHO, Jr. from running in 2012 by insisting that members of The Electoral College perform their due diligence then and in all future elections. Other than that, looks like we are stuck with an impostor until his term is up.

I personally will never trust the Republican Party again for participating so wholeheartedly in this fraud; in this attack on the Constitution. To date, I have not heard one (1) elected Republican on any level directly address this issue, and that certainly includes all the potential candidates now strutting their stuff.

Oddly enough, not even the impostor himself claims to be a "Natural Born Citizen." Instead,he has spent millions to convince everyone that a "Native Born Citizen," which he may well be, is just as good, or even the same thing! To judge from the MSM, statements by elected officials, and even comments on this site, the ruse has worked.

67 posted on 12/11/2009 5:54:27 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Eligibility: I ain't lookin' for answers. Just 1 elected Republican to ask the question.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

I still think it likely that somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot.

68 posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:17 AM PST by inpajamas (
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To: Electric Graffiti

The defenses of his failure to engage in FULL DISCLOSURE are pathetic, and are as believable as the Copenhagen BS we are being subjected to.

FULL DISCLOSURE means just that. Not ridiculous articles citing anonymous, “highly credible” sources. It’s a bad joke!

69 posted on 12/11/2009 6:02:26 AM PST by Canedawg (Bring lawyers, guns and money.)
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To: fr_freak

Well stated rebuttal.

Your reply was well thought out and very calm.

I am not so calm about it.

I think everyone forgets that he is adopted ... which, as I understand it, hides all old data even blocks it, and the new data only is shown i.e. on the COLB short form.

Perhaps he is even adopted twice, once going out to Indonesia, once coming back.

Remember that he started college at 18 or 19 as Soetoro .... meaning he might have been an Indonesian even in his own mind until the second divorce.

ie a foreign student.

So , no one has asked how the short form would change as the old data was washed in the case of an adoption.

I also think it very likely he was born in Canada in an unwed mothers home altho no one has much looked into this.

That would explain Mom showing up in Seattle so soon after birth.By car.

Don’t we have any billionaires to hire a few private detectives? Or someone willing to pursue it all?

As for the other point about the value of American citizenship, you covered it better than me but anyone living and travelling internationally knows all of this and saying sneeringly that it must have been a conspiracy with the Presidential election in mind is so foolish, so stupid, it’s hard to reply without exploding. Obviously, the grandparents would want to file in Hawaii and take advantage of their lax laws to get ole Barry American Passport etc.

These “journalists” don’t understand or are just willfully stupid? It seems so easy.

And by the way, it was Barry who quietly backed the campaign to make McCain prove he was eligible so that later he could say “See, even born outside the USA, it’s OK to run for President.” He knew he was eligible so that whole episode was extremely weird.

70 posted on 12/11/2009 6:08:49 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: F15Eagle

Maybe the name on his birth certificate is Barry Dunham and he never legally changed his name to Barack Obama. Which means he probably signed many documents without using his legal name.

There are probably many situations in his life he is trying to hide. He never listed any other names on his law application other than Barack Obama. And the application specifically asks for other names that have been used in the past.

If he had an Indonesian Passport, his name would have been Barry Soetero.

71 posted on 12/11/2009 6:15:22 AM PST by cushman (Is Michelle Barack's beard?)
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~Meaningless document find ... PING!

72 posted on 12/11/2009 6:47:27 AM PST by STARWISE (They (LIBS-STILL) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war- Richard Miniter)
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Thanks for the ping, Starwise.

We just returned from a road trip back east. Many times, both coming and going, I left *sticky notes* (in restrooms, on restaurant tables, etc.) with a hand written question.....*Where’s the Birth Certificate?*

Don’t know if it does any good but it just might help.

73 posted on 12/11/2009 6:58:03 AM PST by azishot
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To: fr_freak

Federal statute law has no bearing upon the matter, outside of the enumerated power of determining a uniform law of naturalization, pertaining to immigrants.

Natural born citizen, being a term of art specific to the Constitution, having no legal bearing at the Federal level upon any form of citizenship outside of that required for election to the office of President, and having never been legally challenged in the history of our country, means that the original understanding of the Framers stands, as the meaning of the term. This is why so many debate the original intent of the Framers, because it is still definitive.

And, as I’ve noted, that was a determination that was clearly reserved to the states at the time, so state law does have much more relevancy to and bearing upon the matter than is generally understood beyond the earliest decades of the post-Civil War era. Prior to the 14th Amendment, states made every determination of citizenship. There were states such as New York, that recognized birth within their geographic boundaries as natural born. The legal foundation for such states was much more oriented to English common law.

There were states whose legal foundation was more influenced by the Dutch and in turn de Vattel, which required citizen parents, such as Georgia, Connecticut and Virginia.

Virginia went further and required both. Virginia had a tremendous influence and impact upon many aspects of our Constitution. We have Virginia and Virginians to thank for the Bill Of Rights.

Federal law regarding eligibility for the Presidency had to accomodate all the Several States in the United States, in order to ensure eligibility across these varying jurisdictions, by every standard then in effect.

Those standards may not be in effect any longer, but the Constitutional language certainly is, and so it does matter.

Obama is not eligible for office under those standards, which are still in effect as a result of the Constitutional language and the basis upon which it was defined.

74 posted on 12/11/2009 7:00:31 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Electric Graffiti
"We need a Hawaii DOH hacker to bust this wide open."

They'd have to get by this guy...

75 posted on 12/11/2009 7:04:57 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Electric Graffiti
This has no effect on whether he is a natural born citizen, nor on suspicions raised by his refusal to supply a valid long-form birth certificate.

None at all.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

76 posted on 12/11/2009 7:16:28 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

What makes you so sure he isn’t working for Obama?

77 posted on 12/11/2009 7:18:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
"What makes you so sure he isn’t working for Obama?"

Because Obama works for him ;-)

78 posted on 12/11/2009 7:21:14 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cheburashka
Let them claim there is no long form.
1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  That means there is a long form.
2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

  • His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
  •  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
  • The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
  • The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
  • More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

  • His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
  • The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
  • Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.


79 posted on 12/11/2009 7:42:12 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Hey, you are back. I don’t know anything about Barry O. except that COLB is fake and was posted so he wouldn’t have to show one of three Long Form BC’s we know exist.

I want to see the long form, to determine paternity and where he was born.

Moreover, I want to see the long form BC because the COLB is such an obvious fraud and I want to see him in jeopardy.

Additionally, a Long form BC would answer a lot of questions and maybe even end my interest but, from there I would want to see his college entrance papers, as I believe he registered as a foreign student, to obtain preferences.

From there of course, I would want to see his passport records for his first world tour when he went Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.. What Nationality did he travel under?

Just a giant question in my mind especially since he has sealed all record of his existence.

80 posted on 12/11/2009 7:49:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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