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Obama’s Birth Announcement in 1961 confirmed
The Post and Email ^ | Dec. 11, 2009 | John Charlton

Posted on 12/11/2009 1:04:21 AM PST by Electric Graffiti

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To: danamco
“But did he NOT then hire a clerk from the Soetoro camp???”

Nope. He did not.

You need to be honest with yourself on this.

Can you accept the possibility that Judge Carter hired someone on their merits?

Someone who was from a completely different department of Perkins & Cole and would never have been anywhere near the work Perkins & Cole did for BHO.

Just what is the logic that hiring a clerk from a different department (was it patent law?) of Perkins & Cole would influence his decisions on his matter in any way?

Is there any organizational structure on earth that works that way?

“OK boss, now that you’ve hired me, here is how you have to do things.... Or else...”

It’s like arguing that if the President of Lockheed hires an engineer from Boeing then he must be selling out to Boeing.

351 posted on 12/12/2009 9:53:18 AM PST by El Sordo
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To: tired_old_conservative
no one, however much you dislike them,

Hearing that from a liberal ever gets old.You got that response down pat when you have nothing to offer.

352 posted on 12/12/2009 10:44:25 AM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: tired_old_conservative
No state requires that. Legally, the COLB is adequate to establish place of birth

So obama or axelrod sends you a email or text with your talking points? You say the same things over and over and not one fact to back you up. The same carp axelrod repeats like the nazi he is.

You cannot get a passport or drivers license with the short form BC. It is online if you cared about truth at all. After 9/11 they do not accept obama's short form.

If you are too lazy to search online, I have posted it in my comments with links.

353 posted on 12/12/2009 10:48:30 AM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: tired_old_conservative
You seem to assume your sense of outrage constitutes evidence. I must regretfully inform that it does not.

You seem to assume everyone listening to the same lines day in and day out you post that we all have seen before care what you say.

Take a nap. A long walk in the fresh air.

354 posted on 12/12/2009 10:51:08 AM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: danamco

I saw that.Only two people liked what Obama and Holder are doing with the terror trials. Or was it just one? That’s about the amount of support Obama has today. Very few in reality support him and they will make their vote count in 2010.

Dems screamed for Alberto Gonzales to be impeached for a much less offense. Holder can be impeached if we had a congress who cared about America. Obstruction of prosecution is a felony and he has consistently blocked investigations into Sacto Mayor’s IG Walpin firing and the black panther voter intimidation. He has refused to open a investigation into ACORN. I do not think he can bring the terrorist trials to NYC legally.There maybe some court battles over that.

I heard there was a leak that Obama has settled on Illinois for GITMO transfers. He said he had not made a decision after the leak was known. So that means he has made a firm decision to repay his Chicago thugs with taxpayer funding for a prison they built and cannot afford to operate. What better way to repay them since he could not bring them wealth for land fraud through the Olympics?


355 posted on 12/12/2009 11:10:34 AM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Non-Sequitur
No, most of these suits have been filed after he became president

Wrong! Leo, Berg and Martin all filed before. Obama was visiting Grandma when Martin was in court in Hawaii.

356 posted on 12/12/2009 11:13:06 AM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: null and void

Sorry if this has been mentoned. Posting on the run. Isn’t the street spelled “Kalanianaole” as opposed to “Kalanlanaole”


357 posted on 12/12/2009 12:07:30 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: danamco
Several people have got the answer including me and Leo Donofrio: "Access Denied"!!!

Thanks for the heads up. Anybody going to push this in court?
358 posted on 12/12/2009 12:12:08 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: rawcatslyentist
That or if it goes to court, a few post on twitter can be used as evidence.

Your flippant response does not change the fact that my post is 100% correct. Also, a COLB is just as good as a long form as proof of citizenship in any court. Try again with an actual point.
359 posted on 12/12/2009 12:19:41 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: OafOfOffice
Wrong! Leo, Berg and Martin all filed before. Obama was visiting Grandma when Martin was in court in Hawaii.

There had been more than 60 Birther suits filed challenging Obama's qualifications for the presidency. Most were filed after he was inaugurated.

360 posted on 12/12/2009 12:46:10 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

I’d be satisfied if a judge ordered Barry’s COLB from Hawaii. The jpgs on the internet can’t be authenticated.


361 posted on 12/12/2009 12:56:12 PM PST by JohnnyP
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To: danamco
“Since you are old and tired, I will ask you; have you personally used “photo-shop” or have you even seen how it work on a computer???”

Is this what passes for clever or insightful in your mind? I hope not, because that would be sad.

Yes, I have multiple computers with photoshop programs and I utilize them semi-regularly. I'm also familiar with cell phones, I-pods, and the Wii, too. Do you have any questions that aren't moronic?

362 posted on 12/12/2009 1:34:08 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: OafOfOffice

“Hearing that from a liberal ever gets old.You got that response down pat when you have nothing to offer.”

Is this really how you live your life, simply attaching false labels to people so you don’t have to think? God gave you a brain—use it.


363 posted on 12/12/2009 1:36:40 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: OafOfOffice
“You seem to assume everyone listening to the same lines day in and day out you post that we all have seen before care what you say.”

Not really. I know that mindless ideologues don't listen to anyone.

You might want to try diagramming that sentence, too.

364 posted on 12/12/2009 1:38:53 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Non-Sequitur

“So, you are saying an anchor baby can be president?
Let one run and we’ll find out. “

We just did. Did’t work out too well, huh?


365 posted on 12/12/2009 1:43:30 PM PST by Lower55
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive
Also, a COLB is just as good as a long form as proof of citizenship in any court. Try again with an actual point.

That is not exactly correct, since better more relevant evidence is available, the long form which would be more reliable and weigh more in value. If the short form appeared in court, the long form would be obtained by discovery. That is why you have not seen the short form in court yet. The long form would lead to more relevant evidence, witnesses, hospital records etc.

366 posted on 12/12/2009 1:49:21 PM PST by rolling_stone (no more bailouts, the taxpayers are out of money!)
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To: tired_old_conservative

ROFLMAO!!!

go back and get some new lines.


367 posted on 12/12/2009 1:52:07 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: tired_old_conservative

You are so cute. How much do they pay you to sit here all day and post talking points?

Nuther government stimulus position paid by taxpayers.


368 posted on 12/12/2009 1:53:44 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: bjorn14

There are no ex girlfriends. No prom dates, nothing.... nada...zero! Only pictures of him with girly looking boys. It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out he liked boys and still does.


369 posted on 12/12/2009 2:07:08 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Non-Sequitur

One only has to go back and look at your past posting to see who the ignorant jackass is. How many FReepers have you berated and called names. You,... are an ahole. End of story. The type of sissy I would love to meet face to face.


370 posted on 12/12/2009 2:08:44 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Vendome

He is an AH. King of copy and paste. A needy pussy that wants constant attention from his posse of trolls.


371 posted on 12/12/2009 2:11:00 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: MilspecRob

Incredible isn’t it. ALL forums have trolls. That you can count on. I guess a fashion forum would be a hot spot for trolls. Women being so catty and all.


372 posted on 12/12/2009 2:12:17 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: tired_old_conservative

Thank you! No, that’s all I need to know. So oldie, you are definitely aware of how a faked B.C. easily can be produced on line to look real, right? With all the activity you are engaged in with and all that fancy equipment, and Wiiiiii, no wonder you are really TIRED!!!


373 posted on 12/12/2009 2:12:36 PM PST by danamco
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To: Lower55
We just did. Did’t work out too well, huh?

Quite the opposite...


374 posted on 12/12/2009 2:18:57 PM PST by Drew68
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To: OafOfOffice

They hired him on Oct.2 or 3, 2009 and he is trying to tell us he is a real Reganite and as a plant he is kissing Soetoro’s big a$$. Larry Sinclair comes to mind!!!


375 posted on 12/12/2009 2:19:18 PM PST by danamco
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To: mojitojoe

But Larry .......!!!


376 posted on 12/12/2009 2:20:35 PM PST by danamco
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To: OafOfOffice

So obama or axelrod sends you a email or text with your talking points? You say the same things over and over and not one fact to back you up. The same carp axelrod repeats like the nazi he is.

You cannot get a passport or drivers license with the short form BC. It is online if you cared about truth at all. After 9/11 they do not accept obama’s short form.

If you are too lazy to search online, I have posted it in my comments with links.


Actually you are dead wrong. Every state in the Union accepts the short form COLB as does the federal government. Short form COLB’s are used for issuing passports, military enlistment, and of course driver’s licenses. The state of Hawaii in particular no longer issues any document except for the short form COLB and at the bottom of every Hawaii COLB it says the following: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any legal proceeding.”
The US Constitution requires two pieces of information in order to be eligible to be president or vice president: over 35 years of age and birth in the United States. COLBs carry both of those pieces of information.
If you’d like to hear it from the horse’s mouth, the spokesperson of the Hawaii Department of Health, click on the following link:
http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html


377 posted on 12/12/2009 2:24:25 PM PST by jamese777
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To: El Sordo

What is Perkins & Cole? No such animal. Sort of undermines your reply, as far as the knowledgability you sought to imply.

It’s Perkins Coie, btw.


378 posted on 12/12/2009 2:38:28 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Lower55
We just did. Did’t work out too well, huh?

You might want to look up the definition of 'anchor baby'.

379 posted on 12/12/2009 2:51:01 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jamese777

No you are wrong. I have been through this with my children at the DMV. We were turned away with the short form the first time and I knew what I hadto have with the rest.

And the new passport law will not accept obama’s short form. We all had to have long forms for our passports.

There is also a website stating long forms required for passports. With the DMV they do not tell you until you show up. And they keep it.

I will not drag the information up. It is is my comments.


380 posted on 12/12/2009 3:04:52 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: mojitojoe
One only has to go back and look at your past posting to see who the ignorant jackass is.

If true then one has to only look at your posts to see who the bigger jackass is.

How many FReepers have you berated and called names.

Poor baby, have I hurt your little feelings? Well go and knock back a couple of your namesakes and I'm sure you'll feel all better.

You,... are an ahole. End of story. The type of sissy I would love to meet face to face.

You will no doubt feel different once you sober up.

381 posted on 12/12/2009 3:09:39 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jamese777
No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth" anymore.

This is absolute LIE! ALL states have originals on file. Hawaii is no different. It iswhy it is called a VITAL record. We are suppose to believe Hawaii records that have told several different stories to protect Obama?!

382 posted on 12/12/2009 3:10:31 PM PST by OafOfOffice (Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
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To: Non-Sequitur

You must drink a lot because that’s all you talk about. Try AA. It might do you some good Mr. King of copy and paste. I might just start posting links of your copy and pastes. Would you like that?
Hurt my feelings? A pussy like you? Not hardly. But you are fun to laugh at and it’s fun to see others push your buttons and see you react.


383 posted on 12/12/2009 3:21:35 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: jamese777
So I guess no one in Hawaii can get a passport, huh? The OAF has spoken. He went to a DMV office once, so he's an expert.

I got my original passport off a short form. One of the partners at work just got his off same. The State Department website says this: “Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.” The link James provided clarifies succinctly what Hawaii does.

For what it's worth, all my grandchildren have gotten Social Security numbers and entered school on short forms as well.

384 posted on 12/12/2009 3:31:33 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: mojitojoe
You must drink a lot because that’s all you talk about.

And yet you chose to name yourself after a rum drink. And post comments that make it appear that those drinks are your primary source of nourishment.

It might do you some good Mr. King of copy and paste. I might just start posting links of your copy and pastes. Would you like that?

Knock yourself out. Your posts with what pass for your original thoughts will make for humorous comparisons.

Hurt my feelings? A pussy like you? Not hardly.

And yet you constantly whine about me to others. Without, I might add, the courtesy of pinging me when you do.

But you are fun to laugh at and it’s fun to see others push your buttons and see you react.

With all the bellyaching you do about me to others it doesn't look like you're having all that much fun.

385 posted on 12/12/2009 3:32:53 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: mojitojoe

I am old and have seen a lot. One piece of advice. Invariably, those most prone to using words like “pussy” at the drop of the hat and carrying on about how other people might be gay are those least secure in their own masculinity.


386 posted on 12/12/2009 3:34:50 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: RegulatorCountry

OK, I got the name wrong.

In retrospect I should have looked it up to be certain.

But is the underlying argument wrong because of it?

My erring on the name of the law firm doesn’t change the facts of the argument unless you wish to resort to logical fallacies.


387 posted on 12/12/2009 3:51:31 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: Non-Sequitur; Beckwith; Las Vegas Ron

When you have the tenacity and knowledge to even remotely put together what Beckwith has, then you can cast stones. Until that you should STFU and realize that he is far more intelligent than you.

Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:08:30 AM • 341 of 383
Non-Sequitur to danamco
ONLY a pervert can carry on!!!
I will defer to your expertise in perverts.
Saturday, December 05, 2009 5:31:19 PM • 146 of 338
Non-Sequitur to Gordon Greene
And when I’m done, I’m going to write my own novel-length version of “Arguing with Idiots” and dedicate it with heart-felt gratitude to the Evos on freerepublic.
And I have no doubt that it will be just as amusing as this post of your’s is.
Non-Sequitur to seemoAR
Got your panties all wadded up.
Hardly.
There is a very old saying in the South about people who are as dumb as a fence post or a rock. It does as much good to argue with a post as it is does with some people. The results are the same.
And I imagine that the Southern population is equally divided between the two types.
Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:28:17 PM • 263 of 275
Non-Sequitur to Beckwith
Now stick your head back up where it usually resides and keep on looking.
Non-Sequitur to Beckwith
I honestly don’t think you need any more of anything, given the bizarre nature of your posts. But by all means quote the clause of the Constitution or the law that defines natural-born citizenship in the manner you think it means.
Non-Sequitur to RowdyFFC
Name calling suits you...must be a democrap...
False statements suit you...must be a democrap...
And yes I’ve read extensively, been a student of history most of my life, and certainly have the ability to understand reality...
That’s not at all apparent from your posts.

Non-Sequitur to RowdyFFC
Name calling suits you...must be a democrap...
False statements suit you...must be a democrap...
And yes I’ve read extensively, been a student of history most of my life, and certainly have the ability to understand reality...
That’s not at all apparent from your posts.


388 posted on 12/12/2009 3:53:19 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: El Sordo

You lacked even a passing familiarity, to the point of not knowning the name of the firm, of which you were claiming to have an org chart level of understanding. It completely undermined your contentions.

I personally didn’t think much of Taitz herself, or her ill advised attempts to smear the judge, including accusations regarding this law clerk. But, Perkins Coie does represent Obama, and was the clerk’s previous employer. That did create the appearance of impropriety. Questions about the judiciousness of the hire were fair game as a result, whether I agreed with the motivation behind those questions, or not.


389 posted on 12/12/2009 4:05:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: OafOfOffice
You cannot get a passport or drivers license with the short form BC

Funny I got both with mine (post 9/11) and received my SS benefits.

390 posted on 12/12/2009 4:11:09 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: MilspecRob
>"Care to explain how a minor child renounces his US citizenship?"

That would fall in the realm of adult actions.

IE his parents are Indonesian Citizens, so is HE. Minors are not given the same rights as adults. They follow their parents, and beerawkie's baby daddy wuz a British citizen. His adopted daddy is an Indonesian citizen. Do you notice the pattern of NON US CITIZENS here?

Care to explain how he never renounced his Indonesian citizenship?

Care to explain why his college records are kept under armed guard?

Care to explain why his BC is kept under armed guard?

Care to explain why his passport records were scrubbed, then the guy that scrubbed them was himself scrubbed?

391 posted on 12/12/2009 4:52:13 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: rawcatslyentist
“IE his parents are Indonesian Citizens, so is HE. Minors are not given the same rights as adults. They follow their parents, and beerawkie’s baby daddy wuz a British citizen. His adopted daddy is an Indonesian citizen. Do you notice the pattern of NON US CITIZENS here?”

That is wrong. If Obama obtained US citizenship by birth, the fact of his mother marrying an Indonesian citizen and moving there does not affect his U.S. citizenship. It's a basic point of law that has been made many times with many citations.

392 posted on 12/12/2009 5:07:12 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: RegulatorCountry
That law firm has over a dozen offices across the US and many hundred lawyers.

The fellow in question is Siddharth Velamoor.

He worked for Perkins Coie out of their Seattle office.

His specialty is apparently product liability.

http://www.martindale.com/Siddharth-Velamoor/33735949-lawyer.htm

Judge Carter ruled exactly as predicted by virtually every individual with legal experience who weighed in on this issue.

The appearance of impropriety? The appearance, perhaps. But only an appearance and a weak one at that. Even a cursory examination of the facts clears the matter up.

The claim that hiring a clerk from among the many hundreds, if not thousands, of associates who work for a nationwide legal firm that also handles legal matters for BHO somehow provides evidence of actual impropriety is groundless.

Especially when the individual in question apparently specializes in a field of law that is entirely unrelated to the issued at hand.

393 posted on 12/12/2009 5:15:12 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo
Correct.

If he doesn't work in any of the areas for which the company serves Obama, there isn't even the appearance of impropriety. It's just one more red herring spun out of thin air by the birther crowd to avoid facing the fact that this is all nonsense.

394 posted on 12/12/2009 5:21:50 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: mojitojoe

Really? How do you really feel? LOL


395 posted on 12/12/2009 5:38:33 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

ith all the bellyaching you do about me to others it doesn’t look like you’re having all that much fun.
______________
You don’t see the FReepmails. You can rest assured many laugh their asses off.


396 posted on 12/12/2009 7:57:45 PM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: tired_old_conservative
>"this is all nonsense. "

Agreed. Now Put up the BC or shut up YOUR nonsense.

Is it too much to axe? Is it? Really too much? It's just a $12 piece of paper? Is it too much? What is the problem? Why is it too much to ask? Is it too expensive for the $100 a lb Wagu weds night crowd to pass a tip jar for poor widdle baw wakkii so he can PROVE IT ONCE AND FOR ALL?

Is it too much?

397 posted on 12/12/2009 8:58:15 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: mojitojoe
You can rest assured many laugh their asses off.

I get a world of laughs from your posts, and FReepmails too.

398 posted on 12/12/2009 8:58:55 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
That would fall in the realm of adult actions. No wrong

IE his parents are Indonesian Citizens, so is HE. Minors are not given the same rights as adults. They follow their parents, and beerawkie's baby daddy wuz a British citizen. His adopted daddy is an Indonesian citizen. Do you notice the pattern of NON US CITIZENS here?No wrong again

Care to explain how he never renounced his Indonesian citizenship?Because he never had it

Care to explain why his college records are kept under armed guard?Privacy regs are now "Armed guards"

Care to explain why his BC is kept under armed guard?Privacy laws are now "Armed guards"

Care to explain why his passport records were scrubbed,were they? then the guy that scrubbed them was himself scrubbed? People that commit some sort of criminal act sometimes get caught up in other criminal acts.

399 posted on 12/12/2009 9:07:57 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
“Agreed. Now Put up the BC or shut up YOUR nonsense.”

Do you guys think at all before you write this stuff? Is everything a slogan? Exactly how am I supposed to put up Obama’s birth certificate?

In 377, James posted a link that explains the birth documents Hawaii issues upon request. They issue documents that looks like what Obama has. If he got it from Hawaii, which is what the campaign said, it is a legitimate, legal document that states his place of birth. The fact that Hawaii doesn't dispute it, and pretty much has affirmed it, means he's already done what you ask. Your response: raw, irrational rage, because you will only accept the answer that reality doesn't have to offer. This silly conspiracy is a fact in your fantasy land, but nowhere else.

“Is it too much?”

Yeah. After listening to you folks for a couple of months, I think it is. I think it's too much for anyone to have to answer to hysterical people in denial. He's satisfied the sane people. We're off opposing his actual policies, which is what sane people do. Birthers create an entire alternate reality in their heads. That's what paranoid conspiracy types who can't accept reality do.

400 posted on 12/12/2009 9:14:28 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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