Could you please point me to the place in the Constitution that states that Hawaii Law determines who and who is not a US citizen?
The Framers must have had some great foresight and trust. Foresight to know that Hawaii would one day be a state and trust in the Hawaii State Legislature to define U.S. citizenship.
Of course it's entirely possible and highly likely that a teen-aged liberal arts major was so well versed in U.S. citizenship law that she immediately knew that her baby boy's status as a natural born citizen and future president was in danger, so within hours of birth she initiated a long distance conspiracy from her base of operations in a third world armpit of a city to make sure that the proper paperwork was forged and filed.
Makes perfect sense...if your tinfoil beanie is on too tight.
With respect to the birth announcement, I don't see why it means jack squat to anybody. It is just a one-line announcement giving the name of the parents and their address. It doesn't say anything about where Obama was born. It could easily have been phoned in. Who would bother to fact check a birth announcement?
Except that if you read all the birth announcements from both papers for that day they are worded identically and are obviously the product of some bureaucratic filing. If they were the result of people phoning the information in then wouldn't you think there would be some variation in the wording and differences in the information included?
Those people who like to paint the "birthers" as nutjobs like to build up the conspiracy strawmen so they can support their own bias...
We don't have to paint Birthers as nut-jobs. They do a bang-up job of that all on their own.
Well stated rebuttal.
Your reply was well thought out and very calm.
I am not so calm about it.
I think everyone forgets that he is adopted ... which, as I understand it, hides all old data even blocks it, and the new data only is shown i.e. on the COLB short form.
Perhaps he is even adopted twice, once going out to Indonesia, once coming back.
Remember that he started college at 18 or 19 as Soetoro .... meaning he might have been an Indonesian even in his own mind until the second divorce.
ie a foreign student.
So , no one has asked how the short form would change as the old data was washed in the case of an adoption.
I also think it very likely he was born in Canada in an unwed mothers home altho no one has much looked into this.
That would explain Mom showing up in Seattle so soon after birth.By car.
Don’t we have any billionaires to hire a few private detectives? Or someone willing to pursue it all?
As for the other point about the value of American citizenship, you covered it better than me but anyone living and travelling internationally knows all of this and saying sneeringly that it must have been a conspiracy with the Presidential election in mind is so foolish, so stupid, it’s hard to reply without exploding. Obviously, the grandparents would want to file in Hawaii and take advantage of their lax laws to get ole Barry American Passport etc.
These “journalists” don’t understand or are just willfully stupid? It seems so easy.
And by the way, it was Barry who quietly backed the campaign to make McCain prove he was eligible so that later he could say “See, even born outside the USA, it’s OK to run for President.” He knew he was eligible so that whole episode was extremely weird.
Well, American Citizenship USED to be a valuable gift in and of itself.
There is also a question of where this information was obtained?
Was it obtained from the hospital subsequent to Obama’s birth, or was it obtained from the hall of records, the official place of government documentation?
Another words, could Obama’s folks have filed a formal documentation of birth at the hall of records, even though he wasn’t born in Hawaii, and the paper have merely picked up on that information to publish a birth announcement?
The long form and the underlying justification for it is what should be provided.
OPompous is fighting the release of that. Why? What possible legitimate reason could he have?
That would have been totally unnecessary. If Obama really had been born outside the US, it is true he would not be a US citizen at brith. However, because his mother was a US citizen, he would be entitled to a nonquota immigrant visa, easily obtained from any US consolate, allowing him to legally enter the US with his mother. Upon his arrival, he would then be eligible for immediate naturalization. All his mother would have to do was fill out a form, show proof of her own US citizenship and that she was his biological mother, and he would be a citizen in as little time as it would take to process the paperwork.
This is all under the the Immigration and Nationality act of 1952.
Now why in the world would Stanley Ann risk a felony conviction and commit fraud to get her son citizenship, when she could have easily obtained it through legal means?