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Fresh Salamander Tissue Found in Solid Rock
ICR News ^ | December 11, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 12/11/2009 8:38:32 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: RoadGumby

I am a Roman Catholic, as I have stated many times and also on this thread. Evolution is perfectly compatibile with the RC Church.

If this thread supports faith, then it belongs in the religion forum, not in news/activism.

I am not throwing stones. I am pointing out that the article linked to and the OP (GGG) by posting the link, are lying and that lying is breaking one of the ten commandments. Isn’t lying to support ones faith an even bigger sin?


151 posted on 12/11/2009 11:17:24 AM PST by Wacka
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To: shibumi; Syncro; xsmommy; ArrogantBustard; Joe 6-pack

You guys just love to lurk around, waiting for a chance to make “old fossil” salamander cracks, doncha?

8:)


152 posted on 12/11/2009 11:17:30 AM PST by Salamander (I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.....)
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To: xcamel

Lol!


153 posted on 12/11/2009 11:20:28 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: RoadGumby
1. Evolution based threads are not allow here. Jim's words in another thread. "They can post all the evo threads they want. Just not here."

2. My belief system has NOTHING to do with my conservative values. Get that? NOTHING.

3. With the protection of JimRob and the Mods, the creationists here can basically say anything, bigoted or not, call anyone anything they wish, free from any admonishment at all.

When conservatism is measured by what you define religiously, you have lost credibility to engage and include others conservatives, and only find yourself and others like you, alone, and without enough votes to influence any election.

That is why conservatives lose.

And I can tell you one more thing. The longer this is allowed to go on, the more that will find other venues to express themselves.

154 posted on 12/11/2009 11:21:07 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: shibumi

Considering the vitriol contained within this thread, I may just crawl back in.


155 posted on 12/11/2009 11:21:16 AM PST by Salamander (I'm sure I need some rest but sleepin' don't come very easy in a straight white vest.....)
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To: metmom

That works too but unlike some others I try not to make it too personal. :)


156 posted on 12/11/2009 11:22:04 AM PST by christianhomeschoolmommaof3 (Best thing about Cash for Clunkers is that 90% of the Obama bumper stickers are now off the road.)
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To: IronKros

Keep reading.


157 posted on 12/11/2009 11:23:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Wacka

I had no idea that RC faith would say that it is now accepted that man is not a Divine Creation, that man is just an accident evolved from apes. I had no idea you belonged to that belief, I apologize for my insensitivity.

I however believe what the Bible says, that God created the earth and all on it. The animals reproduce ‘after their kind’, not ‘and make other kinds’.

Beware of false doctrines, the Word of God does not lie and is sufficient.


158 posted on 12/11/2009 11:23:33 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts
We don’t claim you have to believe biblical creation to be a Christian

No, but you do use this as a measure of conservatism.

159 posted on 12/11/2009 11:24:30 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

It’s comfort food for camels.


160 posted on 12/11/2009 11:26:58 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

You are going to have to explain to me how you twisted JRs words to meet your agenda. I don’t see how it relates to this current topic.


161 posted on 12/11/2009 11:27:12 AM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: RoadGumby

The current Pope wrote on this during the time of JPII’s time as pope.

So the RC Church is spreading false doctrine?

The RC Church put the bible down on paper. Then you must be also following false doctrine.


162 posted on 12/11/2009 11:27:58 AM PST by Wacka
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To: GodGunsGuts

This one’s too easy. Besides, the proper responses have already been posted.

Don’t you have any shame? Do you enjoy being a laughing stock?


163 posted on 12/11/2009 11:29:04 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Pistolshot

I guess that’s the reason for the “evo-athiest”, “eviloutionist”, DC and DU, “evoloser” and “libtard” remarks fly so freely and often, along with FR-hater, liberal, and christian hater.

They’re really just compliments adding to the civil discourse.


164 posted on 12/11/2009 11:29:37 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Pistolshot

It depends...if you honestly disagree, but respect our right to be “front and center” with all the other swirling issues in News/Activism, then it’s possible to be an evo and within the conservative tent. But if you are one of those who demands that we be muzzled, or demand that our posts be banished to Religion, or Chat, or Bloggers, etc, then you are a jackbooted LGF-liberal who has no business being on FR IMHO.


165 posted on 12/11/2009 11:30:00 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: mnehring

Do you really think he understands the difference? Or cares?


166 posted on 12/11/2009 11:30:47 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: IronKros

I know you’re really not that dumb, but I will play along. You left out this part of JR’s statement:

“They banned God and prayer and creationism from public schools and public places, but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR”


167 posted on 12/11/2009 11:31:33 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Pistolshot

1)I have seen, personnally, evo threads.

2) Then your ‘conservative values’ are not worth much, as they are based on nothing permanant or an unchanging truth. They can be easily changed. IMHO.

3) This is an untruth. I have seen Creationists be rebuked for behavior.

When conservatism is measured by whatever is expediant at the time, insted of an unchanging standard, you get the Republican (Dem-Lite) party of today.

While my beliefs are religious, that ‘religion’ gives us MORALS. Remember those? You may thank the Judeo-Christian religions for those MORALS that allowed the growth of a prosperous and free nation. MORALS are inherintly credible.

Conservatives lose because they try to be like liberals - “We want to be INCLUSIVE!” Yes, just bring all your petty little perversions and self-ish ideas, we want them all!!! Conservatives win when they stand tall and espouse Conservative and MORAL ideas. Would that that would happen more!

And I can tell you one more thing, the longer this country separates itself from its MORALS and turns away from God, the longer and deeper this mess we are in will get.


168 posted on 12/11/2009 11:32:52 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: PLMerite

You’re going to have to do better at asking an intelligent question.

Your question is a nonsequitur.


169 posted on 12/11/2009 11:33:35 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Buck W.

Who knows, I just try to say my peace on the actual subject. As soon as this turns into an “I’m rubber you are glue” thread, it isn’t worth sticking around.


170 posted on 12/11/2009 11:33:45 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Wacka; editor-surveyor

What? FRevos never hit the abuse button?


171 posted on 12/11/2009 11:34:19 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Wacka

The RC church did not write the bible. Read Genesis.


172 posted on 12/11/2009 11:34:34 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts
To All To Whom These Presents Shall Come--Greetings

Please do not judge the intelligence or reasoning capability of Christians by the content of this post. We are not all this stupid. Nor are we all as intentionally deceptive.

173 posted on 12/11/2009 11:34:56 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Ah, so anything which is Christian in nature is to be posted on News/Activism. Then why have a Religion section? Unless that is for pagan religions.

Ok, I'll tell you what. You can continue posting lies and fabrications which have nothing to do with "Defense of religious freedom" in the "News" section and you will continue to be debated on your "News" merits.

Lines will be drawn, sides will be chosen and in the end Conservatism will loose.
174 posted on 12/11/2009 11:35:44 AM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: RoadGumby
“Look there is a post we don’t like!!! Let’s go try to shut them up!!”

More like, swarm the thread and turn it into a flame fest and ruin it so either no one wants to read it, or it gets pulled.

175 posted on 12/11/2009 11:36:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Buck W.

Well said Buck, so why do evos exist then?


176 posted on 12/11/2009 11:37:40 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: RoadGumby

What’s an evo?


177 posted on 12/11/2009 11:38:34 AM PST by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: Pistolshot; GodGunsGuts
"We, as conservatives LOSE, because the left uses the radicalism you display to paint all conservatives with the same brush."

This statement can only be directed at you and your kind. - You are freaks, and a very small but noisy minority of ignorant and deeply bigoted destroyers. - You certainly have no idea what a conservative is, looking in from your leftist control freak pearch.

178 posted on 12/11/2009 11:39:56 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Pistolshot; GodGunsGuts

Every criticism that you leveled against GGG can be applied to evos as well.

FR evolutionists are in no position to throw stones.

Why does it irk you so much that people think differently than you and come to different conclusions about fossil finds and the fossil record?

Are evolutionists so dogmatic that they cannot tolerate any other opinion on the matter?

Do they think that they own the fossil record and alone can make the only correct interpretation of it?


179 posted on 12/11/2009 11:41:03 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: IronKros

Again, I know you’re not that stupid, but I’ll play along.

This post is about the Creation/Evolution debate, and it was written by a creationist. Now read the following from JR:

“They banned God and prayer and *creationism* from public schools and public places, but I’ll be damned if they’re gonna ban Him or it from FR”

I’m not replying to anymore about this particular issue. If you persist in your feigned ignorance, it will only underscore the character of the typical evo that comes to disrupt these threads. Good day.


180 posted on 12/11/2009 11:42:09 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: RoadGumby

But they did put it on paper in mostly the form it is in today.They kept it alive during the dark ages.If it wasn’t for scribes copying it, it would be lost in written form.
Is the bible only the Old Testament. What about the New Testament?


181 posted on 12/11/2009 11:42:47 AM PST by Wacka
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To: Wacka

Oooo, they put it on paper? What a great idea!! Why didn’t the early Jews and Paul figure that one out?

Your question is sophic.


182 posted on 12/11/2009 11:44:37 AM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: GodGunsGuts; Pistolshot
We don’t follow your fellow evos around trying to start flame wars, you follow us. We don’t force anyone to read our threads, but for some reason you feel compelled to read them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, GGG, but you don't ping the FR evolutionists to these threads, do you?

Do they not find them on their own?

183 posted on 12/11/2009 11:44:46 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: PugetSoundSoldier; GodGunsGuts
"READ THE SOURCE ARTICLE. It's not intact soft-tissue; it's fossils with the soft-tissue detail preserved!"

Sorry, no. Its the original article that I have been quoting.

From the article:

"We noticed that there had been very little degradation since it was originally fossilised about 18 million years ago, making it the highest quality soft tissue preservation ever documented in the fossil record"

184 posted on 12/11/2009 11:45:12 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: metmom

Are you kidding me! Not!!!


185 posted on 12/11/2009 11:46:58 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: mnehring

I did. That’s how I posted the links from the articles.

I explained it already. Finish reading after that sentence. It described it two different ways.


186 posted on 12/11/2009 11:47:17 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Sorry, no. Its the original article that I have been quoting.

Yes, by all means ignore the scientists who made the discovery, best to go with the safe ICR twisting of the news release so as not to challenge and pre-conceived notions.

After all, good science starts with a conclusion and works backwards, finding and twisting some facts and rejecting others all in the pursuit of supporting the pre-ordained conclusion, right?

187 posted on 12/11/2009 11:53:10 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: RFEngineer
So you and all your “creation science” fawning fan club can put your “fresh meat” analogies away. A fossil is not meat.

I expect that if you advertised as "Fresh Salamander", and sold something in the condition of what was found inside that rock, you'd be guilty of fraud.

188 posted on 12/11/2009 11:54:10 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Pistolshot; GodGunsGuts

“The longer this is allowed to go on, the more that will find other venues to express themselves.”

Good, go find a venue compatible with your dogmatic embrace of ignorance. Don’t go away mad, just go away. Freerepublic is growing by hundreds per day, and we won’t miss your coven of liars for a moment.


189 posted on 12/11/2009 11:54:48 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: tacticalogic

“I expect that if you advertised as “Fresh Salamander”, and sold something in the condition of what was found inside that rock, you’d be guilty of fraud.”

I have converted fresh meat into fossil-like material on my grill before. Perhaps I should have buried it in the backyard for a period of time to restore it’s freshness.


190 posted on 12/11/2009 11:57:00 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: metmom
Opinions are like armpits. Everyone has a couple and they usually stink.

To answer your questions, I really don't care what conclusions you draw from handpicked parsing of articles. It's your faith. Calling it the 'truth' and then saying the debate is over is what is wrong. An intelligent being will look deeper, ask more questions, search for answers. It's mans nature to be that way. Using faith to measure the value of another POLITICALLY is what I disagree with.

In the end we, as unworthy sinners, strive to be the best person we can be before our judgment.

191 posted on 12/11/2009 11:58:00 AM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Pistolshot

MEGA DITTOS!


192 posted on 12/11/2009 11:58:39 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: metmom

“My comment was about the fossil find of soft tissue becoming more common.”

Just to clarify, you do understand that “fossilized soft tissue” is still a fossil - and not actual meat.

The folks at ICR, and GGG don’t seem to get that.


193 posted on 12/11/2009 11:58:47 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: count-your-change
No one really know how long soft tissues can be preserved but what has been found is not ho-hum it died last year either.

So possibly the fossils are much, much less than millions of years in age and tissue preservation even at this lessor age is not common.

Does the preservation then, lend its self to an age of millions of years and some sort of truly extraordinary explanation or to just thousands of years with a rare (you need a microscope) but not so extraordinary explanation?

Well, what is the explanation? The age of the fossil is not just assumed to be millions of years, nor is it somehow based on how much tissue was left. To use the presence of soft tissue to challenge all the other evidence for how old the fossils are, you need, among other things, some explanation for what can preserve tissue for some thousands of years that wouldn't work for some millions of years. And why, for other animals thought to be thousands of years old, we find entire mummies, but for animals thought to be millions of years old, we only find microscopic fragments of organic material.

194 posted on 12/11/2009 11:59:07 AM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: Wacka
"The RC Church put the bible down on paper."

The real Church that Jesus Christ founded did that 400 years before the RC church existed.

195 posted on 12/11/2009 11:59:33 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bomb-a administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
Term

Although the term's provenance arose in African folklore (e.g., the gum doll Anansi created to trap Mmoatia, the dwarf), some Americans now consider "tar baby" to have negative connotations revolving around negative images of African-Americans.[3] In recent years, several politicians who have publicly used the term have encountered some controversy, mocking, and censure from African-American civil rights leaders, members of the popular daily media, and other politicians.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

In an interview, Toni Morrison said the following of its use in her book, in an acting of reclaiming: "Tar Baby is also a name, like 'nigger,' that white people call black children, black girls, as I recall…. At one time, a tar pit was a holy place, at least an important place, because tar was used to build things…. It held together things like Moses' little boat and the pyramids. For me, the tar baby came to mean the black woman who can hold things together."[11]

It is what it is.

citations at wiki.

196 posted on 12/11/2009 11:59:35 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: editor-surveyor

If FR is growing, then why do the Freepathons last longer and longer?

Also what is the source of “hundreds per day”?

Most privately owned web sites keep their number of regular members as a trade secret.


197 posted on 12/11/2009 12:00:22 PM PST by Wacka
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To: Pistolshot; mom

LOLOLOLOL!!!!! Last I checked it has been the evos saying that the debate is over with respect to origins, and the Creationists and IDers who have been trying to open the debate up. This guy is DILLUSIONAL!


198 posted on 12/11/2009 12:00:37 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: Pistolshot

And separating the MORALS of the religions you decry gives us liberalism. And that is what I disagree with.

In the end we are unworthy sinners (hopefully saved by Gods grace by our Faith in His Son), striving to walk as He would.


199 posted on 12/11/2009 12:01:56 PM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: RoadGumby

And aren’t we supposed to be WITNESSES in Christ instead of defining who and what is religious?


200 posted on 12/11/2009 12:03:04 PM PST by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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