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High efficiency traffic lights don't melt snow cover, creating traffic hazard
Associated Press ^ | Friday December 11, 2009 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/11/2009 9:18:01 AM PST by jpl

Edited on 12/11/2009 9:35:36 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

GREEN BAY, Wis. (AP) Some Wisconsin communities that have installed high efficiency traffic lights are discovering the energy-saving bulbs are a hazard in a snow storm.

City officials say the LED lights use less electricity and don't give off enough heat to melt ice or snow. So when the snow falls and the wind blows, the traffic lights are obscured.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: consequences; energy; envirofascism; globalwarminghoax; greenenergy; led; unintended
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Those darn unintended consequences rear their ugly heads once again!
1 posted on 12/11/2009 9:18:03 AM PST by jpl
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To: jpl

This stinks... LED lights, to me anyway, are much easier to see at night.


2 posted on 12/11/2009 9:19:48 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: jpl

Making life better by making it worse.


3 posted on 12/11/2009 9:20:15 AM PST by boocoowell (Nuclear power now!)
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To: jpl

This shouldn’t be a problem since battery powered cars probably won’t run in freezing weather anyways ;-)


4 posted on 12/11/2009 9:20:15 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: jpl

Grandma was killed in a traffic accident!!! *sniff* Well, as long as the city has saved thousands in power bills... I guess it was a worthy cause./s


5 posted on 12/11/2009 9:21:00 AM PST by autumnraine (You can't fix stupid, but you can vote it out!)
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To: jpl
Jiminy crickets.

I thought civil engineers thought of things like this. Yeah, they'll save electricity, but how much are you paying all those work crews? And if they are on overtime, forget it!

6 posted on 12/11/2009 9:22:22 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: jpl

Oh what a tangled web we weave,,,, i love these kind of consequences,,


7 posted on 12/11/2009 9:24:03 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: thefactor

LOL!

Libs are dumber than dirt.


8 posted on 12/11/2009 9:25:14 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: thefactor
They need to install snowlar cells on the lights to get electricity to heat them.

Surely if they have solar cells to make electricity, they have snowlar ones too?

9 posted on 12/11/2009 9:25:43 AM PST by Syncro (TPXIII coming this Spring! March 27th to April 15th 2010, GIANT Rally in DC : >)
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To: jpl

I know the traffic engineer where I live. The city installed LED lights about a year ago, and he predicted the same thing would happen with his. The city planners were so entralled about the energy savings that they completely overlooked the traffic hazard they present in the winter time.


10 posted on 12/11/2009 9:27:36 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Socialism is hip until somebody loses a paycheck)
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To: thefactor
but how much are you paying all those work crews? And if they are on overtime...

Union members too?

11 posted on 12/11/2009 9:28:37 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: thefactor

“I thought civil engineers thought of things like this”

Yeah,, You’d think a VERY basic test on a new traffic signal would be how behaves in hot, cold, wet, and arid,,, night, and day. But i mean,, im no engineer,,,,lol.


12 posted on 12/11/2009 9:30:46 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: jpl

we have a whacked liberal City Councilman in Pittsburgh who wants to convert all of our street lights to LED...


13 posted on 12/11/2009 9:31:23 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: jpl
Thermostat

Space heater

Only draws power in very cold weather

Do I have to think of everything?

14 posted on 12/11/2009 9:32:11 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: DesertRhino

Testing is much less rigid if one merely slaps a “green” label on something.

Heck, I would be surprised if this idea was tested at all!


15 posted on 12/11/2009 9:32:34 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

“The city planners were so entralled about the energy savings”

Which they will promptly lose as soon as they get clobbered for their first lawsuit where someone is killed, because the red light design couldnt be seen for being covered in snow.


16 posted on 12/11/2009 9:33:47 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

You got that right about the “green” label.


17 posted on 12/11/2009 9:35:07 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn thi title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: jpl
"LED lights have saved thousands of dollars in monthly power bills."

All negated in one or 2 days of crews cleaning off the lights.

18 posted on 12/11/2009 9:35:34 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: pnh102
LED lights, to me anyway, are much easier to see at night.

Especially the left and right turn lights that have a smaller surface area lit.

19 posted on 12/11/2009 9:35:41 AM PST by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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To: jpl

Why is this an issue? The traffic regs say if the light is out, including if it cannot be understood, then you treat the light as a red light and stop. Anyone blowing through a controlled intersection is an idiot.


20 posted on 12/11/2009 9:35:46 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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No problem! They’ll just install heaters so the total energy use = 125% of the old way.


21 posted on 12/11/2009 9:38:11 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("'Diversity' is one of those words designed to absolve you of the need to think." Mark Steyn)
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To: CodeToad

Exactly the situation near me this morning. About 50% of the traffic blew through the off signal as though it was bright green.


22 posted on 12/11/2009 9:38:32 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: jpl
Yuk, yuk, yuk.

Reminds me of that time in the 70s that Chicago bought a whole bunch of new, improved road salt that would melt snow down to 0 degrees F.

Only problem was that it gets to zero a lot in Chicago, then what was melted before would refreeze into a real slick sheet of ice and couldn't be melted.

23 posted on 12/11/2009 9:38:32 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: NonValueAdded

ROFL!

(except that the number with most likely be north of 125%)


24 posted on 12/11/2009 9:38:41 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Obama, Hitler, Stalin: Who are 3 people nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.)
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To: jpl

When I was in Vietnam years ago, we kept a lit 60W light bulb in the bottom of our barracks lockers so that our clothing and other stuff didn’t get moldy. It isn’t just for cold weather that we NEED incandescent lights.


25 posted on 12/11/2009 9:39:27 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Hoax and Change)
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To: CodeToad

“Anyone blowing through a controlled intersection is an idiot.”

True, that. Unfortunately, our roads are filled with idiots who barely have any clue about the rules of the road. They have no idea that flashing red equals “stop”, or that no signal equals “stop.”


26 posted on 12/11/2009 9:42:37 AM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: jpl
Interesting that they mention snow and ice on the traffic lights were a contributing factor to the accidents, but not whether the snow and ice on the road surface was a factor also.
27 posted on 12/11/2009 9:43:23 AM PST by Between the Lines (For their sins of 50 million abortions God gave them over to be an ObamaNation {Romans 1:24-32})
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To: pnh102

For what it’s worth, I love my LED flashlights. Very bright, and they use so little power, you can use “dead” batteries in them (batteries that can no longer run other devices).

Of course, icing up doesn’t apply to them.


28 posted on 12/11/2009 9:46:06 AM PST by OldGuard1
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To: jpl
This guy is going to make a mint off this problem:

US Patent 7211771 - De-icing system for traffic signals

29 posted on 12/11/2009 9:47:42 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: -YYZ-
True, that. Unfortunately, our roads are filled with idiots who barely have any clue about the rules of the road. They have no idea that flashing red equals “stop”, or that no signal equals “stop.”

You git that right. I've almost been killed by people plowing into the back of me and people blowing through the intersection when the lights were out. Morons...

30 posted on 12/11/2009 9:49:15 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: -YYZ-

BTW, is your screen name a reference to the Rush song?


31 posted on 12/11/2009 9:49:59 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: BuffaloJack

And you can bake cupcakes with a 60w light. You also can keep newborn little animals warm with one a couple feet overhead.


32 posted on 12/11/2009 9:50:39 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: -YYZ-

Here in Colorado we went from a “No Fault” to an “At Fault” insurance program. hehe. People started seeing their insurance skyrocket as they had accidents and it was their fault. “Gosh, officer, I thought I could turn right from the far left lane.”


33 posted on 12/11/2009 9:51:02 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: pnh102
This stinks... LED lights, to me anyway, are much easier to see at night.

I can also see them easier when the sun is shining on them, as well. Much easier to see than the old bulbs.

34 posted on 12/11/2009 9:51:02 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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Wait a minute! We have those new energy-efficient mercury-filled-curly-cued-lightbulbs- just the thing to do the trick to heat up the LED`s!


35 posted on 12/11/2009 9:52:38 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (God bless)
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To: jpl

They could have left the red incandescent bulbs in place and still had cost savings on electricity.


36 posted on 12/11/2009 9:53:56 AM PST by FreedomOfExpression
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To: jpl

Once the jackasses have blinders on, it’s hard to get them off.


37 posted on 12/11/2009 9:55:21 AM PST by votemout
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To: jpl
Not to pee on the smacking-the-lib-fest we got going here, but what ever happened to the old standby of treating the intersection as a four-way stop when the lights are out/can't be seen?

I realize not all traffic from all directions will be affected as the blowing snow/ice generally will only cover part of the light, but can't these lights be centrally controled and turned to flashing red if it appears something is wrong for at least one direction of traffic? Also, as was mentioned in a previous post, what about a simple thermal switch and heating coil to kick on when temps drop below a certain level?

38 posted on 12/11/2009 9:55:47 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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According to Al Gore, this shouldn’t have been a problem because “global warming” should have precluded the chance of it ever snowing again. All the polar bears should have been dead by now and all the icebergs should have melted.


39 posted on 12/11/2009 9:58:23 AM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 16 days away from outliving Lefty Frizzell)
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To: CodeToad
Why is this an issue? The traffic regs say if the light is out, including if it cannot be understood, then you treat the light as a red light and stop. Anyone blowing through a controlled intersection is an idiot.

I agree. However, most lemmings out there only do what the light tells them. If they can see the light, they may not be aware that the others facing them, or cross-traffic, cannot.

Why not set an emergency procedure that in inclement weather of this nature, all lights flash red and all intersections are to be treated as four-way stops.

40 posted on 12/11/2009 9:58:49 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (The townhalls were going great until the oPods showed up.)
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To: thefactor
I thought civil engineers thought of things like this. Yeah, they'll save electricity, but how much are you paying all those work crews? And if they are on overtime, forget it!

They did think about it! More union jobs...every city now needs to hire additional union members to clear the snow out of the traffic lights.

41 posted on 12/11/2009 10:00:12 AM PST by DouglasKC
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Stupid, unenlightened, mouth breathing, joe-six pack, Walmart shoppers are soooo stupid! (Crash!)

(upside down dead superior progressive that got hit at the snow covered light)

“—”
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x?x


42 posted on 12/11/2009 10:00:12 AM PST by listenhillary (I believe AGW is real now. It was caused by scientists and greenies LYING!)
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To: jpl

LOL.... my gawd! Do I have to tell those northerners how to do everything... :-)

Just put a little heater on it, and only have it switch on during precipitation and freezing weather...

I mean, could it be simpler? They won’t have a whole lot of days of the year where they’ll even have to have it on... :-)


43 posted on 12/11/2009 10:01:44 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: jpl

The big advantage to LEDs is not so much the power but that they take less maintenance (changing bulbs). The problem with the ice could easily be solved with a thermostatically controlled heater.


44 posted on 12/11/2009 10:08:32 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: IYAS9YAS
My wife got T-Boned at an intersection last month because of that. Old tech bulbs. The sun was shining directly on the lights (late afternoon) and made all of them look like they were lit. Young girl blew through it and smacked her. No one injured in either vehicle (thank you Lord), but both cars totaled.

Like fire hydrants, traffic lights need to be designed to function in any weather (hydrants in areas that freeze automatically drain when closed.)

The lens heater is a good idea to melt snow. While the incandescents melt the snow anyway, in much of the country, like my part of Texas, that function is necessary maybe eight hours a year. The lower energy consumption is a BIG DEAL on things like traffic lights that are supposed to function 24/7/365.

45 posted on 12/11/2009 10:09:19 AM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: -YYZ-
Unfortunately, our roads are filled with idiots who barely have any clue about the rules of the road. They have no idea that flashing red equals “stop”, or that no signal equals “stop.”

Just as most people will insist that GREEN means GO NO MATTER WHAT.

46 posted on 12/11/2009 10:10:01 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Wyatt's Torch

“BTW, is your screen name a reference to the Rush song?”

Yes, and also to the fact that I live relatively near to Toronto now.


47 posted on 12/11/2009 10:14:19 AM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: DouglasKC
They did think about it! More union jobs...every city now needs to hire additional union members to clear the snow out of the traffic lights.

Sounds like a "shovel-ready project" to me. More jobs saved or created on TOTUS' watch.

48 posted on 12/11/2009 10:17:10 AM PST by onemiddleamerican (FUBO - and all your terrorist buddies, too!)
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To: -YYZ-

Cool. I am a huge Rush fan (saw them probably 5 times in the 80’s) and love that song. The drum solo from Exit Stage Left is a classic. Also a big fan of Neal Peart’s books.


49 posted on 12/11/2009 10:18:43 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Very good.....like the way you think Joe !


50 posted on 12/11/2009 10:20:46 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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