Skip to comments.Birth Certificate Submitted by Obama's Grandmother
Posted on 12/12/2009 12:28:23 AM PST by BorderRaven
"BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before the local registrar of the district. It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parents signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate. (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parents claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a drivers license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a drivers license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the 60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii."
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It will become obvious in the next 12 months that he cannot be allowed to continue.
This cannot and will not be resolved by legal means unless a majority of sitting Federal officials who are Democrats agree.
On the question of whether or not they will, much rests.
Please see #42 and any help would be appreciated.
Look also at Items 6a, 6b and 6c.
Under "Place of Birth: City, Town or Rural Location on 6a, we have: "Honolulu 1" (no idea what the "1" means, other than a typo).
Under "Island," on 6b, we have "Oahu".
Then, on 6c, under "Name of Hospital or Institution," we have "Unknown - Kenya, Africa."
So, this child was born in Hawaii, on the island of Oahu, in an unknown hospital in Kenya. Okey, dokey.
This is an incredibly sloppy, and funny, forgery.
By the way, for those who can't find the link, it's in the first post, but it's not a live link. You'll have to copy and paste it into your browser. It won't bite.
The question remains, why would Madelyn Payne Dunham misspell her own christian name and the name of the Street?
The first two signatures on the Hawaii 'document' appear to be written by the same hand.
I do not see this as a 'birth certificate' but as an application. From which a certification of live birth was FILED.
If the application is genuine, we must ask how was it obtained? And who filled in the form? I very much doubt that Madelyn had anything to do with it. Who might it have been that didn't know how to spell Madelyn...nor the the name of the street? A foreigner to Hawaii?
I believe those numbers have been proven to be so far off it couldn’t be real.
Did the Twins Birth Announcement ever turn up?
No, it did not. Not that week, not the next week, or the next week........
Theirs was removed, the microfilm tampered with and barry’s was inserted in that spot.
If the Obama announcement was triggered by a Hawaii DOH certificate filing you would think the Nordyke twins would be in there somewhere.
That’s an urban legend.
Travel to Pakistan by American citizens was not banned by the U.S. or Pakistan. It was so easy for Americans to travel to Pakistan in 1981 that Pakistan was issuing 30-day visas to Americans upon arrival at any airport in Pakistan.
I’ve posted (on FR) the relevant Travel Advisory issued by the U.S. State Department in 1981. It summarizes the above information and further indicates that if American citizens plan to stay in Pakistan longer than 30 days they must apply for a longer-term visa prior to travelling there.
You can verify this information yourself by searching FR for the travel advisory.
I agree, but won’t rule anything out.
Unless the Hawaiian DoH added the law cite at a later date.
The offset type is a clue.
"1. Birthplace: Kenya; Registered Honolulu HRS 338-17.8 per Grandmother
This gives credibility that the added cited law "HRS 338-17.8" to the purported Obama BC as following DoH practicing office form.
I’m in favour of KISS - keep it short and simple.
Obama Sr is not the father.
And who-ever it was that filled in that application to register a birth (regardless of where that birth took place) couldn’t spell MADELYN OR THE NAME OF THE STREET.
Now who might that have been?
Someone who didn’t know Madelyn well or at all, and someone who never lived in the street on the application.
This not the first time this particular BC has been discussed. Also another teeny weeny problem is there was NO mother or father's name on the BC the impostor found that had been done by his grandmother. This is a fake; the attorney Mario Apuzzo proved almost immediately it was a fake.
I’ll say probably fake. Noway to know for sure unless the the issuing authority in Hawaii says one way or another.
Which brings up another subject. Hawaii has set up a system where someone with interests cannot authenticate the veracity of their COLBs when someone presents it to a employer or other significant matter. Hawaii appears to be a identity thief’s paradise.
Obama was born about 18 hours before the Nordyke twins where he should have a lower birth certificate file number than the twins but he does not. It could be something significant.
Now there are three mistakes:
The ‘applicant’ couldn’t spell MADELYN.
The ‘applicant’ couldn’t spell the name of the street.
The ‘applicant’ signs Ericson for Erickson:
Name: Martin Erickson
Phone Number: 525-0547
Address: 614 Kaha St, Kailua, Hawaii 96734-1201 (1992)
[1509 Francis, Albany, California 94706-1001 (1992)]
[1015 Aoloa Pl #456, Kailua, Hawaii 96734]
No forger would be THAT stupid.
Fractal Trader; LucyT; Beckwith
just read through all the comments again, cant see where anyone noted the source of the document
The Blaine Document
October 19, 2009 by John Charlton
WILLIAM BLAINE RELEASES PURPORTED OBAMA CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
by John Charlton
(Oct. 20, 2009) At 10:22 PM Last evening someone purporting to be William Blaine issued the following email:
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:15:27 -0400
Subject: Obama Birth Proof
My client has asked me to share this with you and asks that you share it with as many patriots as possible so that it cannot be scrubbed from existance.
I trust you will know what to do with this.
Attached to this email was the following Certificate of Live Birth of Barack Hussein Obama, which contains no file number:
Maybe someone should just send an e-mail to Erickson’s brother Jack and ask him if he knows, whether they knew each other or not.
It sure is interesting that both Stanley and Carolly are the same age, went to the University of Washington together at the same time, both lived in Hawaii and both were interested in jazz.
It because it is a fake...
...and when O Sr received his instructions to register the birth, the details were read to him by telephone, he wrote down the names and address phonetically, and that's how you get Ericson for Erickson, Madlyn for Madelyn, and Kalanlanaole for the street...
Only a foreigner (not a forger)would have THAT problem.
This is confusing. Was he born Barak Hussein Obama, changed his name to Barry Soetoro then changed his name back to Barak H Obama?
I don’t hire anybody in my company if I can’t validate the information on their application.
And we DO check everything.
I believe the date 5-5-1966 is when that BC was issued, probably needed for entry into kindergarten. One might have been issued at DOB but misplaced and thus another replacement one made.
Do you have a source that the Nordyke twins announcement never turned up? The parents could be contacted to confirm.
Beauty Mate! Happy Christmas!
I forgot to mention if the Nordyke twins went to kindergarten at Punahou they would be accepted around that time of year and need the BC then.
I agree. If you were going to fake something, wouldn’t you spell the names right? All one has to do is google Barry’s granny’s name.
You both make the important points, why do we have to get de-railed by all the other stuff.
Mother could not confer citizenship due to age and Father was British.
He admits to dual citizenship.
Neither of these points can exist for a Natural Born Citizen.
How I wish we could stick to these points!
The elusive “Martin Blain Erickson” isn’t the only one who might clear some of this up.
Assuming all 0’s alleged records at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard haven’t been destroyed, they still exist, and there are people who have access to them.
Surreptitious access, perhaps, but access.
As anger toward this man grows, watch for leaks.
Someone knows the truth. Many more may have access to it. The question is how much they will risk to let it be known.
Even if this b/c is contemporanous to Obama’s birth, it can not be his legal birth certificate.
He is said to have been legally adopted by LoLo Seotoro when he was 6 years old. Obama’s legal birth certificate would show his name as Barry Seotoro with Lolo as his father.
The only way BHO-III could be Obama’s father on his legal b/c is if Lolo gave up custody of Barry, Barack came to the US from Kenya and adopted his “son”. You can change your name legally but you can’t change your parents; think about it.
How could there possibly be any passport usage from Stanley Ann in 2008?~?!?!?!
Do you happen to have a source for this info? I’ve kept up with the eligibility issue but have not heard about this Thank You
Eleanor Nordyke sits in her living room in Manoa with her twin daughters' scrapbook. They were born within hours of President-elect Barack Obama; the twins also graduated from Punahou with Obama.
The birth certificate for Nordyke posted on this thread shows the date as accepted by registrar being Aug ll, 1961, although the birth is dated August 5.
I agree with you — I have always seen him this way.
BHO doesnt care what happens to him because he is really in his stone-cold heart a suicide bomber trying to destroy the USA.
That can’t be the original certificate. It could be if it did not have that typed annotation at the bottom. That law didn’t come into effect until 1982. (HRS 338-17.8). Also a more likely signature “set” would be a faked Stanley Ann signature as “informant”, and Grandma Tut as “witness”. No local registrar’s signature, since it would have been submitted directly to the state registrar.
With a bit of adjustment of the dates, which maybe just the date of birth, the signature of Stanley Ann could be genuine, they did have air mail in those days you know. (Grandma mails form to Stanley Ann, who signs it, whereever she was and then granny signs and submits the form to the state for filing.
It's supposed to be a footnote to the information in block 23.
Sounds like Dan Nakaso at the Honoulu Advertiser has it all figured out. Ogabe was born at the Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children within hours of the Nordyke twins. What do we need his birth certificate for? /s
No that is the form. The way it is usually done is that the mother or someone else, supplies the information, it's typed up at the hospital on this form, which is then signed by the appropriate people in the appropriate places. For a birth not in a hospital, in 1961, it might have been filled in by hand, and their would likely not be a "local registrar" signature, (block 21), which is usually a hospital official. The "witness" could be a relative or friend of the parent(s), rather than a doctor or midwife.
Exactly, and that date was on the bottom of the copy, along with the seal, which indicates that it is a certified copy. It's not on the part that is a copy of the original. That's the way it was done, BC, before computers, and "AM", after microfilm. Before microfilm, you might get a handwritten or typed abstract, sort of like the computer generated abstract of these AC, after computer, days. Many states are now, or have plans to, go to just digitizing the whole original, as well as entering the data from it into a database. That way it's searchble, but when you need a copy, you get a copy, not an abstract, computer generated or not.
Mother could not "confer" citizenship *IF* she was legally married (under the law where the birth took place) AND the birth took place outside the US. Inside the US there is no need, all persons born in the US are US citizens, although not necessarily natural born ones. Persons' born outside the US, unless at least one parent is serving the country, as in the military or diplomatic corps, may be citizens if they meet the criteria of the law at that time. Those born in the US without two citizen parents, except for those of a single mother with no acknowledged father, are not natural born US citizens.
The funny thing is, his "on line" CoLB shows a file number higher than those of the Nordyke twins, despite supposedly having been filed several days earlier than theirs. He was supposedly born after 7 PM on a Friday, they were born just after 2 PM the next day, Saturday. So, it's hard to see how his file number could be higher than theirs.
yeah...why don’t you silly people stop asking questions and just go away...is what it sounds like.