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New Tape Shows Paramilitary Training in "Islamberg," Hancock, NY
Christian Action Network/YouTube ^ | December 11, 2009 | Christian Action Network

Posted on 12/12/2009 7:56:49 AM PST by TDCAnalyst

A new Muslims of America (MOA) terror training video has been uncovered by the Christian Action Network.

This video show members of MOA participating in paramilitary style training on their compound in upstate New York, near the town of Hancock.

Click the link to see the exclusive new tape.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


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1 posted on 12/12/2009 7:56:50 AM PST by TDCAnalyst
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To: TDCAnalyst

We shouldn’t be surprised about anything that happens here. We allow this community to exist without any kind of government oversight or intervention. Unlike the David Koresh group, of course, that the government felt compelled to go after.


2 posted on 12/12/2009 8:05:42 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: TDCAnalyst

Member training for the Obama Black Muslin Terrorist Army. He will need it to keep power and get his beloved muzzies into the Republic.


3 posted on 12/12/2009 8:15:04 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Stay armed. Buy bullets. Buy guns. Protect yourself - the government isn't.)
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To: TDCAnalyst

Good grief.

How can these be allowed to exist in this country???

If these were “right wing millitia” traning camps, we can be sure they would be in the headlines every day and that the Southern Poverty Law Center would be hollering about their threat to America and that Federal authorities would be imbedded inside them working to bring arrests of the leaders.

(In this video, it looked like most of the trainees were women....interesting...)


4 posted on 12/12/2009 8:18:02 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: TDCAnalyst

Marking for later.


5 posted on 12/12/2009 8:18:09 AM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Remember to take a deep breath. If we get incensed over little things like this about the Muzzies, who will we go after next - the Amish?


6 posted on 12/12/2009 8:22:48 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: TDCAnalyst

Been up that way staying at a quaint bed and breakfast. How nice to know the area is a Jihadist training camp.


7 posted on 12/12/2009 8:23:16 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Candor7

Some of them are probably ‘honey pots’ - attracting the naive & ignorant who are then all identified and corralled together.
Inotherwords, some of them exist purely for Sting Operations.


8 posted on 12/12/2009 8:26:49 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: TDCAnalyst

Many of these people are ex cons who are not allowed to own or use weapons. If they were a bunch of redneck Christians the BATF would be all over them.


9 posted on 12/12/2009 8:31:14 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: hennie pennie

Fine - let the stings begin.....haven’t heard of any lately, have you?


10 posted on 12/12/2009 8:32:03 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Why should *I* know when the LEOs have gathered enough intel to make it worthwhile to make any arrests?

Why would any of us civilians have ANY idea what is going on here -- sure the feds have been informed 100s if not 1000s of times about the OBVIOUS overt jihadi training camps in the state of New York -- that fellow Doug Hagmann and his coworkers frequently write about their own surveillance activities of same.

11 posted on 12/12/2009 8:37:30 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: hennie pennie

Because it would become public knowledge if the Feds made arrests in such cases.....just as it has been public knowledge in the past when the Feds went after militia groups in the 90’s and their leaders.

Haven’t seen any such news reports, have you?


12 posted on 12/12/2009 8:40:09 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I consider all these reports of paramilitary jihadi training camps to potentially be harming our LEOs who are running intelligence gathering operations.

Your opinion obviously differs from mine.

The training camps in New York have been WRITTEN about PUBLICALLY for YEARS, so I presume that the LEOs have the situation under control.

13 posted on 12/12/2009 8:45:20 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: Candor7; MamaDearest; Cindy; LucyT; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks

Y’all see this ping?


14 posted on 12/12/2009 8:55:13 AM PST by Oorang (Tyranny thrives where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: TDCAnalyst
Bunch of guys and gals running around in the woods with guns? Nothing illegal about that.

Where is The Southern Poverty Law Center/Militia Watchdog?

Then again, they are not the only ones who can do that either.

15 posted on 12/12/2009 8:56:38 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: hennie pennie

Has the Southern Poverty Law center written about them - warned us about them?

My question is why are these places allowed in this country, period?


16 posted on 12/12/2009 8:56:52 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: hennie pennie
The training camps in New York have been WRITTEN about PUBLICALLY for YEARS, so I presume that the LEOs have the situation under control.

Remember that Homeland Security and the FBI had information on the Jihadi contacts of Nidal Hassan, Major, USA, Medical Corps, too.

17 posted on 12/12/2009 8:59:51 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
"How can these be allowed to exist in this country??? "

Ali-Bama and his 40 thieves are turning America into a giant "Jonestown", and he is stirring the "Kool Aid" as we speak.

The serving of the Kool Aid will begin with advent of obamacare, starting with the "death panels" to get rid of the "expensive deadwood".

But, perhaps the death panel recipients will be better off than the rest in the long run, for they will all eventually become slaves under a commie/socialist government.

However, an obama commie/socialist government might be many times worse than the "hitler" version, as this time race, reparations, and hatred for whites will add to the motivation of the "storm troopers".

Meanwhile, all the mondern day "Minute Men" are on the sofa watching "Biggest Loser".
18 posted on 12/12/2009 9:05:35 AM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: Oorang

Thanks, O. I also just heard that Adam Gadahn has a new video out.


19 posted on 12/12/2009 9:06:21 AM PST by Rushmore Rocks (Dollar a Day Member..............Free Republic is not Free!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Candor7
I already answered that, why are you asking me again? I offerred my OPINION that such places openly exist, so that they can attract the violent-prone to them, so that our LEOs can identify them.

I think that sting ops such as these are altogether a different ball game than the situation in which the U.S. Army pays many tens of thousands of dollars to educate a medical doctor, and then becomes alarmed with deer-in-the-headlights eyes when they discover that their full fledged doc PSYCHIATRIST is trying to convert soldiers to Islam.

Anyway that's my OPINION of why there are plenty of apparently open jihadi camps, that they actually are covert operations.

You disagree.

FINE. I don't care.

Good by now.

Regards.
HP

20 posted on 12/12/2009 9:11:06 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: El Gato

Good point.


21 posted on 12/12/2009 9:11:20 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
My question is why are these places allowed in this country, period?

Our gov't is to busy working on cap and trade and health care

22 posted on 12/12/2009 9:11:47 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Did you hear about it online, or is there a video which is about to be broadcast on TV today? I particularly despise Adam Gadahn, and will have to plug in my TV and get it all warmed up to watch & hear this vile creature.


23 posted on 12/12/2009 9:13:38 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: FrankR
Meanwhile, all the mondern day "Minute Men" are on the sofa watching "Biggest Loser".

Which is exactly what they were they doing when GW Bush was leaving the borders open for eight lo-ong years following 9/11.

24 posted on 12/12/2009 9:14:21 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: TDCAnalyst

It seems to me that their dreams of victory are unlikely to come true, given the truly astounding lack of intelligence and insight of their leaders.

Someone’s propaganda, in order to be effective, must have at least a kernel of truth somewhere amongst the distortions.

Let’s hope the tactics they teach are as flawed as their strategy. Reality always tends to get in the way.

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Ambiens calor tyrannis


25 posted on 12/12/2009 9:17:12 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: TDCAnalyst

At what point are we forced to consider or starting local militias to protect our rights, freedoms and property.


26 posted on 12/12/2009 9:18:23 AM PST by surfer
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To: hennie pennie; All

I was not just asking you - I was asking anyone who cared to comment on this thread. How is it that these Jihadist training camps are allowed to exist in this country?

Our opinions do differ. Fine.

To all: Given what happened during the 90’s and then on 911 - Islamic terrorist attacks on this country - how can these Islamic terrorist training camps be allowed to continue to exist in this country?

It just does not make sense.


27 posted on 12/12/2009 9:21:02 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: hennie pennie; Velveeta

FOX News has been reporting it......also played a short snippet of the video.

Check Vel’s recent post of Threat Matrix.


28 posted on 12/12/2009 9:21:26 AM PST by Rushmore Rocks (Dollar a Day Member..............Free Republic is not Free!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; hennie pennie
Fine - let the stings begin.....haven’t heard of any lately, have you?
There was the guy - probably basically entrapped - that was going to blow up a Dallas? skyscraper - with material provided by undercover FBI ... He was ready to go but the explosives were fake ... just for example ... ;-)
29 posted on 12/12/2009 9:24:47 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

***If these were “right wing millitia” traning camps,***

There is a right wing militia camp over in the edge of Oklahoma near here.

When the OKC bomber Tim McVeigh was caught it was found that he had made some calls to that place.

When I wrote a pro-gun letter to the Arkansas Gazette, (before it collapsed into the Ark Dem-Gaz) I received an unsolicited vhs tape postmarked at Natural Dam, Arkansas which had speeches from “Mark from Michigan” on it. I assume it came from that group.
I also received letters from radicals wanting me to join the Klan and other radical groups. I burned them, but I learned that pro gun letter writers often received this type of trash.


30 posted on 12/12/2009 9:25:32 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Are my guns loaded? Break in and find out.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"Which is exactly what they were they doing when GW Bush was leaving the borders open for eight lo-ong years following 9/11."

If you go through life looking backwards, you could run right into a brick wall.

The 'border issue" was my biggest complaint about Bush, too, but that is behind us now...we've got a much bigger fish to fry.

If nothing else, obama helped prove one theory about illegal immigrations...take away the jobs and they go back home. Of course, he took away the jobs of Americans too.


31 posted on 12/12/2009 9:29:49 AM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: paul51

True - but that’s the legislative branch of government.

Law enforcement - is another part of government.

Again, I remember the Clinton years when instead of going after Islamic terrorists at home and abroad, the Federal government law enforcement agencies went after the militia groups. These were such a threat to this country, they were infiltrated, leaders arrested, the groups disarmed and mostly disbanded.

One would think similar arrests, disbanding, and disolution would be going on with these Islamic Jihad training groups....on our own soil!

As far as I know, there have been no such arrests, disbanding, or shutting down of these “camps” - have there been?

If not, why not?

They are an AFFRONT and a potential armed THREAT to this nation, to its people, and, as such, should not be allowed to exist...period.

But maybe they are not illegal at this time???? Do we need to pass laws to make them illegal???

Just asking.


32 posted on 12/12/2009 9:32:29 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Thanks so much, RR!
I will plug in and turn on the set and tune in FOX.

Regards,
HP

33 posted on 12/12/2009 9:36:41 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: RetiredArmy

Now, now, as The Great Leader says we must not jump to conclusions.


34 posted on 12/12/2009 9:37:19 AM PST by bgill (The framers of the US Constitution established an entire federal government in 18 pages.)
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To: TDCAnalyst

Just Obamas Civilian Defence force in training...


35 posted on 12/12/2009 9:40:37 AM PST by crazydad
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To: Tunehead54

That is true - and there have been others who have been found and arrested - thank GOD for the good work that Law Enforcement has done in these cases.

So maybe LEO’s think these training camps are simply good sources of information they can use to go after those who are really a danger.

That’s fine and good.

But, meanwhile, these Islamic Jihadist trained American citizens are getting paramilitary training which perhaps could be used against Americans in future armed combat either here or abroad.

so, again, I ask, why allow such training to occur in our country???

American “militia groups”
were not allowed to have similar “camps” in this country in the 90’s.

Yet these Islamic militia groups are.

Seems with recent history there is no justification to allow these to continue.


36 posted on 12/12/2009 9:41:48 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: FrankR

Don’t want to discriminate now do we?


37 posted on 12/12/2009 9:45:55 AM PST by Sodbuster09
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To: El Gato

“Where is The Southern Poverty Law Center/Militia Watchdog?”

They are busy providing legal services to these groups.


38 posted on 12/12/2009 9:58:09 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (How long before we are forced to refresh the Tree of Liberty? Sic semper tryannis)
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To: Oorang

Yup, definitely saw this, and the many articles about it before this you-tube. Did you see the new article about another airplane incident?


39 posted on 12/12/2009 10:11:02 AM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
These are only a group of people defending themseleves against the Real God fearing, Bible toting, gun owner hicks that the media makes most of Americans look like. If given a chance, I would either deport all muslim scum or put them in camps. Either way this Country would be better off without them.
40 posted on 12/12/2009 10:14:41 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: TDCAnalyst; All
I spent years on this site, trying to wake Americans up to the threat militant Islam poses to the entire West:

For Islam, a Religion of Peace®? The Most Damning links-- click the picture:

Watch the videos, read the links, ponder the quotes.
Wake up, and smell the Jihad...

41 posted on 12/12/2009 11:24:41 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: Sodbuster09
"Don't want to discriminate now do we?"

Based on this definition:

discrimination - Neutral discernment; The act of discriminating, distinguishing, or noting/perceiving differences which exist.

YES, I DO want to discriminate!
42 posted on 12/12/2009 12:19:34 PM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: backhoe

Thanks, Backhoe, for your work and for the links.

I haven’t been reading the Jihad threads because basically I know all I need to know about them.

They are satanic, they are deadly, they are determined, and they are here in this country.

And the person in the WH is one of them....but he is worse - he is a communist muslim. Not all Jihadists are communists or are friends of communists.

Anyway....just to cut to the quick - Is there no law against these Muslim Terrorist Training Camps which are all over the US?


43 posted on 12/12/2009 1:09:35 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Is there no law against these Muslim Terrorist Training Camps which are all over the US?

Not as long as they are not breaking some other law, like felon in possession. Possession of weapons of mass destruction, escaped convict, etc, etc. You know, the same laws, many of them completely unconstitutional, that they enforce against the rest of the citizenry.

One of those, which is likely not unconstitutional, would be possession by a non resident alien.

44 posted on 12/12/2009 2:23:34 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: surfer

The time is long past that we create/arm/train local militias to stand ready against these people.The Federal Government is NOT going to do anything about this because it would be politically incorrect.We The People need to stand ready at ALL times.We also need to let these people know that we are armed/trained,and ready to do the nasty business of making this threat disappear.


45 posted on 12/12/2009 2:34:20 PM PST by hwkbeer
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To: Oorang

Thanks for the ping Oorang.


46 posted on 12/12/2009 2:39:29 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Anyway....just to cut to the quick - Is there no law against these Muslim Terrorist Training Camps which are all over the US?

I suspect ( without having looked in to it further ) that they are partially protected by fears of being called Racist! or Islamophobic! and probably run under a false color- like "self-defense" training.

But we all know the real purpose...

47 posted on 12/12/2009 3:01:45 PM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: El Gato

Ok - that explains how they can continue to operate.


48 posted on 12/12/2009 3:10:59 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: backhoe

Yes we do know here.

However, I would wager 90% of Americans do not know this is happening right in our own country.


49 posted on 12/12/2009 3:12:12 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obamacare + Obama's EPA + Demobama Dectruction of economy = many will die unnecessarily)
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To: Mears

bfl


50 posted on 12/12/2009 3:14:01 PM PST by Mears
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