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Indiana: City Threatens $2500 Fines for Challenging Traffic Tickets
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/29/2985.asp ^

Posted on 12/12/2009 9:25:12 PM PST by Orange1998

Motorists who receive minor parking or traffic tickets in Indianapolis, Indiana are being threatened with fines of up to $2500 if they attempt to take the ticket to court. A local attorney with the firm Roberts and Bishop was so outraged by what he saw in Marion County traffic court that he filed a class action suit yesterday seeking to have the practice banned as unconstitutional.

"The deck is stacked against the motorist," lawyer Paul K. Ogden wrote. "To penalize that person for seeking justice seems wrong. I know it is done for the purpose of discouraging baseless challenges to tickets and clogging the docket, but in the process you are also penalizing people who have a legitimate defense and want a chance to present it to the court."

The city made explicit the threat of additional fines for challenging parking tickets in a November 30 press release announcing a deal between Indianapolis and a private firm, T2 Systems, to hand over operations of a parking ticket court to increase municipal income.

"Using Six Sigma process improvement strategies, it is estimated that under this program the city may collect an additional $352,000 to $520,000 in parking citation revenue over the next 12 months," the city press release stated. "If citations are not paid prior to their scheduled hearing, the city may request a fine of up to $2500 per citation. Upon receiving a judgment for an unpaid citation, individuals responsible could be subject to collections actions or having their vehicle registration suspended."

In traffic court, Judge William Young has been making good on the threats by routinely siding with police officers in disputes and imposing fines of up to $500 on anyone who challenges a moving violation ticket, no matter how minor, and loses. Those who pay without going to court do not face this extra fine.

"Unfortunately what you have happen a lot of times is that judges aren't particularly worried about whether what they're doing may be violating the law as the odds of someone ever appealing a $400 traffic ticket is remote," Ogden wrote. "I see it all the time. Trial judges flouting the law knowing they are unlikely to ever be challenged on an appeal because the litigants can't afford it."

Ogden is specifically representing three motorists affected by court policies. Toshinao Ishii received a ticket for driving 63 MPH in a 55 zone in February. Had he paid the ticket without challenge, the fine would have been $150. After Judge Young sided with the police officer in court, Ishii was fined $550. Motorist Matthew Stone was told by his doctors not to wear a seatbelt over his chest as it could damage his cardiac pacemaker. He received a $25 ticket for wearing his seatbelt "improperly." After reading that he would face a $500 fine, Stone gave up his intention of challenging the citation. Adam Lenkowsky, who did not receive a ticket, attempted to attend a traffic court proceeding on September 23, 2009. He was barred from the court, despite the state constitutional requirement that court proceedings be open.

Ogden argues the court's practices in the first two cases violate the excessive fines clause of the state constitution as well as the clause requiring that "all penalties shall be proportioned to the nature of the offense."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: sourcetitlenoturl; ticket
AMAZING how they can get away with it.

Adam Lenkowsky, who did not receive a ticket, attempted to attend a traffic court proceeding on September 23, 2009. He was barred from the court, despite the state constitutional requirement that court proceedings be open.

1 posted on 12/12/2009 9:25:12 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998

Dictatorship is just a moment away.


2 posted on 12/12/2009 9:27:57 PM PST by doc1019 (Obama, not so much.)
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To: Orange1998

This is an outrage!


3 posted on 12/12/2009 9:28:04 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Orange1998
Abuse of government authourity. The sick dems will revote for this when they are in jail/prison.
4 posted on 12/12/2009 9:28:11 PM PST by allmost
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To: Orange1998
AMAZING how they can get away with it.

Only because WE let them get away with it.

I'll say no more because I don't want to be banned.

5 posted on 12/12/2009 9:31:06 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Orange1998

They cannot have the permanent gravy train of bennies and pensions ber interrupted in a down economy that ‘Bammy is making worse by killing small business and increasing government and unions....

Like a zit, the government is squeezing every iota of pus it can from the citizens.


6 posted on 12/12/2009 9:31:24 PM PST by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: Orange1998

Who would have guessed that the revolution would start in Indianapolis?


7 posted on 12/12/2009 9:31:46 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Orange1998

Wow.


8 posted on 12/12/2009 9:36:53 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream.)
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To: Orange1998

Your Right to Petition for Redress of Grievances just became very, very expensive.

Probably won’t survive a constitutional challenge.


9 posted on 12/12/2009 9:37:06 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (KILL THE BILL!!!)
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To: Orange1998

Most traffic courts are kangaroo courts anyway. So are most child support courts.


10 posted on 12/12/2009 9:41:39 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Orange1998
In the old days, the Federal government would investigate and prosecute the officials in jurisdictions that pulled this crap.

When Eisenhower began to build the interstate highway system the Fedgov got more efficient. Any jurisdiction that didn't go along immediately got bypassed, no exit or entrance for dozens of miles. The town would die within a year.

No more time consuming assembling cases for prosecution, one bureaucrat, life or death, final.

11 posted on 12/12/2009 9:42:50 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Orange1998

Why don’t they just figure out what they need in ‘ticket’ income, and then just send out ‘tickets’ randomly to citizens who must pay or go to jail?

That would avoid wasted time on traffic stops, reduce the number of cops needed (reducing the budget), and allow politicians and judges to spend it on more productive items like prostitutes and gambling.


12 posted on 12/12/2009 9:45:23 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: yarddog

yarddog is the winner.


13 posted on 12/12/2009 9:46:04 PM PST by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is less than $2.00 a gallon)
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To: yarddog
Most traffic courts are kangaroo courts anyway. So are most child support courts.

Accurate.

In California our judges must stand for reelection occasionally. I have personally witnessed several failing by margins of 4 to 1 and larger.

14 posted on 12/12/2009 9:48:49 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Sarah and the Conservatives will rock your world.)
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To: Orange1998

Double or nothing!


15 posted on 12/12/2009 10:24:34 PM PST by AZLiberty (Yes, Mr. Lennon, I do want a revolution.)
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To: Orange1998

Them vs us.

“Battle lines being drawn . . . “ and it ain’t us that’s doing the drawing.


16 posted on 12/12/2009 10:39:21 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Orange1998

unconstitutional on 2 counts

1. you have the right to face your accuser

2. unreasonable fines


17 posted on 12/12/2009 10:43:22 PM PST by sten
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To: Orange1998

This is sooooo unconstitutional it’s not even funny.


18 posted on 12/12/2009 10:49:26 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Guys.. the mayor is a Republican...

They need to take the Judge... Tar & Feather him across town and turn him into the janitor...


19 posted on 12/12/2009 11:40:37 PM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: dfwgator

I really object to the privatizing of traffic offenses and roads as being done in Indiana.You end up with companies having powers of the state and private corrupt law enforcement as well as corrupt public officials.


20 posted on 12/12/2009 11:41:24 PM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Orange1998
AMAZING how they can get away with it.

Nothing amazing about it.
It's all out in the open for everyone who wishes to see it clearly.

It's the same way Congress works. If a law is clearly unconstitutional, but nobody challenges it (or can afford to), it becomes law forever.

The Supreme Court can only rule on challenges actually brought before it.

21 posted on 12/13/2009 12:54:27 AM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

must be a rino...


22 posted on 12/13/2009 1:46:27 AM PST by rahbert (If not by the power of persuasion, then by the persuasion of power - Andy Stein)
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To: UCANSEE2
Why don’t they just figure out what they need in ‘ticket’ income, and then just send out ‘tickets’ randomly to citizens who must pay or go to jail?

Exactly what the city of Chicago was doing 30 years ago. I live in Illinois, about 175 miles from Chicago and I received one, having at that time never been to Chicago, I ignored it. I read in the paper that tickets were being sent at random all over the state.

23 posted on 12/13/2009 5:39:48 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Get lost, Mitt. You're the Eddie Haskell of the Republican party." (Finny))
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To: Orange1998

I’m having a hard time finding any other stories about this that didn’t originate from a guy who makes his living defending traffic violators.

Not saying it ain’t happening, just can’t seem to verify it anywhere. Looking around, it seems Indy isn’t alone in their accusations.


24 posted on 12/13/2009 5:40:20 AM PST by digger48
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To: GreaterSwiss; rahbert
Guys.. the mayor is a Republican...

County Court....Greg Ballard isn't the mayor of the county

25 posted on 12/13/2009 5:45:56 AM PST by digger48
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To: digger48

Suing provides evidence to the courts for all to see.


26 posted on 12/13/2009 7:54:28 AM PST by Orange1998
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To: doc1019
Dictatorship Revolt is just a moment away. (They just haven't pushed hard enough...YET!)
27 posted on 12/13/2009 11:32:56 AM PST by Surtur (Are we on Athen's time yet?)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Guys.. the mayor is a Republican...

Republican, yes. Conservative?, HELL NO!

28 posted on 12/13/2009 11:36:31 AM PST by Surtur (Are we on Athen's time yet?)
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To: yarddog
So are most child support courts.

Yep. The Constitution doesn't exist in that cesspool.

29 posted on 12/13/2009 12:31:24 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Guys.. the mayor is a Republican...

So is Bloomberg...

30 posted on 12/13/2009 12:34:33 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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