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To: hocndoc

I appreciate your thoughts, but again, I think we have an unreconcilable difference of opinion. The beauty of our legal system (at least in theory) is that it is built to accomodate and withstand challenges so that the law is consistent with values in the constitution. The ideas underlying what you’re saying work very well, until you’re in the minority. Bringing a challenge to laws does not mean you have no respect for law or law-making. It could rather mean you have the utmost respect for the ability of the judiciary to seek justice consistent with grants in the constitution. The judiciary serves the necessary function of checking the limits of legislative power. Imagine the police state possibilities if we did not buy into that institution.

You should check your facts on Lawrence v. Texas, by the way. The arrest was precipitated by a neighbor’s false police report.


37 posted on 12/13/2009 6:10:07 PM PST by Conservativism
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To: Conservativism

We aren’t at an impasse. Homosexual acts are morally wrong.

No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, desire is not enough to make such a wide-reaching social change as legal encouragement of homosexuality.

It’s incumbent on the ethical, responsible citizen to attempt changes in the law by reasonable, rational means and to at least attempt to give evidence that the change is for the better.

The 3 men who brought us the Lawrence and Garner vs. Texas case don’t add any evidence that their activities were either private or at all a change for the better for our society.

The “neighbor” who made the false complaint was Robert Royce Eubanks. He was actually Garner’s roommate at the time and was sexually involved with both Lawrence and Garner. He was later murdered in Garner’s apartment, before the case was even heard in the SCOTUS. Garner died a couple of years ago, of complications of an infection - according to FR posts, after losing his legs due to meningitis.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/937725/posts
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1123988/posts


39 posted on 12/13/2009 10:49:34 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: Conservativism
"There are millions upon millions of gay people in every ‘civilized’ country of the West AND East, who do not buy into the Gay Agenda in any way....."

Interesting statement considering the fact that is exactly what progressives, the PC crowd, and RINO's say about "moderate muslims". Yet, they do nothing to stop the Militant Gay Agenda, just like the "moderate muslims" do nothing to stop the muslim extremist agenda. If it's just 1 or 2% of each respective crowd that's causing all the trouble then what is the other 98% doing? I'll tell you what they're doing, it's called being complicit.

What I would respect is a politician who would get up and say that they have no respect for people who want to equate the racial civil rights struggle (RACE) to people that make a different choice about who they lust after & have sexual intercourse with.

Just because a man sodomizes another man and they don't get to marry doesn't make that a racial civil rights struggle like slavery.
40 posted on 12/14/2009 1:30:57 AM PST by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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