“We arent at an impasse. Homosexual acts are morally wrong.”
“No matter how much you want it to be otherwise, desire is not enough to make such a wide-reaching social change as legal encouragement of homosexuality.”
“Its incumbent on the ethical, responsible citizen to attempt changes in the law by reasonable, rational means and to at least attempt to give evidence that the change is for the better.”
“The 3 men who brought us the Lawrence and Garner vs. Texas case dont add any evidence that their activities were either private or at all a change for the better for our society.
The neighbor who made the false complaint was Robert Royce Eubanks. He was actually Garners roommate at the time and was sexually involved with both Lawrence and Garner. He was later murdered in Garners apartment, before the case was even heard in the SCOTUS. Garner died a couple of years ago, of complications of an infection - according to FR posts, after losing his legs due to meningitis.”
What you don't seem to understand is that not many do not the same morals and value set as you, and that—great as your values are—the founders intended the government to be a secular institution. Your viewpoint, as typified in your previous post, is a rather simplified “I'm right. They're wrong.” But, it is completely colored by religion and lacks an appreciation of Jeffersonian and Lockian ideals. Plain and simple, this debate does not belong in the government.
Perhaps the reason that you perceive our discussion to be “circular” is that you keep continue to make this about the intellect of the posters while repeatedly claiming that public - in this case, government - decisions about *public* acts - cruises, marriage - are discouraging private acts. If these acts were private, we and the government leaders in the OP wouldn’t be discussing them.
You gloss over the lawlessness *and* close relationship of the Lawrence 3, ignore completely the breaking of laws at city halls by civil servants entrusted with carrying out civil laws, and continue to claim that we are talking about private acts.
Morals are not simply religious. You (as well as Jefferson and Locke) believe in right and wrong, or you wouldn’t continue this conversation (and we wouldn’t have the documents this Nation is founded upon). Our founders agreed that laws are public matters for regulating interaction between people and best decided by the representatives in our republican governments. In fact, the founders did not intend our government to be a “secular institution.” They intended for this Nation to be supportive of many religions.(Otherwise, they wouldn’t have prayed in Congress so much. 3 hours the first day.)
Instead, in the reality of today’s US, the Courts have become oligarchies which overrule the will of the people and our representatives.