Skip to comments.The Salvation Army - naughty or nice?
Posted on 12/14/2009 12:45:15 PM PST by SmithL
The halls aren't the only thing getting decked this holiday season.
The Salvation Army, the country's biggest charity, is taking it full on the chin from a social media network mobilized against the organization's position on homosexuality and other social sins. Twitter, Facebook and gay Web sites are lit up with protest and calls for donor boycotts.
The Army's official same-sex statement suggests it's unlikely those cheery volunteers ringing bells over red kettles will be donning gay apparel anytime soon.
While homosexuals are not "blameworthy," ... "Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex." The Army is an unabashedly evangelical, religious entity, after all, and has also resisted domestic partner benefits for its employees.
Last month, there was another stink about the Army's Houston division demanding to see Social Security cards of needy parents before providing toys for their kids. Angry protesters claimed this was discrimination against cardless illegal immigrants.
Before we take the predictable San Francisco, to-the-barricades view on all this, let's consider the Catholic concept of "proportionalism." This means (roughly, my interpretation) that bad conduct can be acceptable if a much greater good is being accomplished.
The Salvation Army served 33 million people in the United States last year. It raises about $2 billion a year and spends an impressive 89 percent of that on services - food, shelter, foster care and HIV programs.
It is a consistent and reliable disaster relief group.
"The first hand that reaches to pull you from the rubble of our next earthquake," Shea O'Neill wrote on the SFAppeal Web site last week, "will be the anti-gay hand of the Salvation Army."
There's no whitewashing their beliefs, if you oppose them, though the Army mission also is clear that its relief services are available to anyone "without regard to sexual orientation."
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
It’s the one charity I trust. It’s the one that you see really doing something for the poor so you might know the libs would be going after them.
When God’s mega quake hits Homo Bay, they shall see who shows up first.
Sure they do good things. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.
The Salvation Army and my church are the ONLY places that get my donations/tithes.
Another reason why I donate to the Salvation Army
The Salvation Army? Darn near Saintly!
If there are ‘good guys’ in the world, it’s the Salvation Army.
Where do you get homophobe? It doesn’t say they’re AFRAID of homosexshals, it says they don’t condone the behavior. Big difference there, Cheif.
I agree and even though I probably can’t afford it I will be giving MORE to them this year. This organization really does good work.
And THAT is why I drop money in the pots when I hear the bells....I LOVE THIS CHARITY and I LOVE ST. JUDE’s CHILDREN’s research and hospital charity and doctors without borders....ALL DO THE RIGHT THING WITH MINIMAL OVERHEAD...UNLIKE UNITED WAY which is a cesspool of crap.
“If there are good guys in the world, its the Salvation Army.”
That’s why the liberals must destroy them.
I don’t mind dropping them some change outside of Wally World. Now when United Way comes into my workplace, I tell them to go to hell.
Glad to see they are on God’s side. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.
I never pass by one of their kettles but they are getting ones this year instead of fives.
LOL, who are they to judge anyone. Condone, rofl.
EHH Wrong answer!
They are a Church! Churches cannot be expected to accept sin of any kind. What is the matter, can you not see the illogical and insane thought process that even invents a word, like homophobia, to attempt to manipulate people into accepting a social ill?
If my neighbor decides to get his jollies from a hole in a tree in his front yard, are we to accept that as normal and healthy too?
The Salvation Army is an outstanding charity!
“It raises about $2 billion a year and spends an impressive 89 percent of that on services - food, shelter, foster care and HIV programs.”
You would hate to hear what percentage of Social Security and Medicare income is used to run the system itself. If they disbursed 89 percent of the money they take in, we’d be fine.
I won’t give a pennyt to United Way. I won’t pass the Salvation Army bell ringers without putting something in...
You’re comparing a human being to a tree or at least a hole in a tree? How very Christian of you. LOL
The Salvation Army doesn’t ask any questions in a disaster. They just help people.
I’ve seen them help poor families who lost their home in a fire and a wealthy neighborhood hit by a flood. They won’t ask any questions about the lifestyles of those they will help in a future SF earthquake.
The gay lobby needs to understand that tolerance means you “tolerate” behavior you don’t like. Tolerance does not mean approval.
So stand up for your skewed morals punk and refuse the assistance. Yeah, didn't think so.
United Way is a very large group of crooks. I never give them any money and I don’t like the Red Cross either.
I gave birth to our daughter in a SA hospital. I had complications resulting in a long and expensive hospital stay for both of us.
Because our insurance refused to cover much of it due to semantics we were held to be responsible for a huge amount.
In the end after battling the insurance company and the hospital and their attorney through the insurance commissioner’s office, thankfully the insurance company paid. The SA attorney was a shark. I will never give them any money.
“Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex.”
This is clear in their statement-—no acceptance of homosexuality. Not just any unmarried sex, as you said.
What do you mean by homophobic?
I agree. SA is the only charity I give to. Glad to see they still stick to their beliefs.
The Salvation Army of Houston refuted the story. It was checking various kinds of information. However, the idea was to prevent people from gaming them and getting multiple toys. No child was turned away due to their immigration status.
The United Way supports planned parenthood and stopped supporting the Boy Scouts of America. That should tell you all you need to know about the United Way.
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
>> Sure they do good things. It doesnt change the fact that they are a homophobic organization. <<
And your forget they do good work in helping people with HIV, so they may not condone what some groups do, but they sure are gracious enough to help clean up after them in manner of speaking.
My charity of choice is the Salvation Army, for many, many years.
And I also don’t mind some of my pocket change going to folks with HIV. Most aren’t in your face libs. Many are people that really are having a hard time around the holiday season in regards to food assistance and a small gift for their children.
You people and your phobics...roll eyes. What`s next? some sort of phobic on the back of pedophile? Those poor pedophiles will be saying they are being treated badly.SARC
The Salvation Army is a Christian org, The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is an abomination. Thank God that the Salvation Army is standing firm!!
Yes we show love to the homosexuals, but it`s not love to tell them their life is OK to The Lord, because it clearly is not.
>> I think their stance on homosexuality is quite appropriate. They basically say that unmarried people should not be having sex, regardless whether it’s hetero or homo sexual. It’s equal opportunity, not just again homosexuality. Of course, that’s without getting in to the homosexuals should be allowed to marry nonsense. <<
Just as I don’t like crazy lib charities like Peta, some people don’t like the SA. If you don’t like the SA, don’t give them money, problem solved. I know I may give the SA some money this year.
Yes. Their is a difference between “fear” and “disapproval.” In any case, how sad that Salvation Army opponents are ready to penalize thousands of people in need just because the organization has a different point of view. You’re not supporting that, are you SuaveOne?
“Sure they do good things. It doesnt change the fact that they are a homophobic organization”
There is no such thing as “homophobia.”
People who are repelled by homosexuality are responding in the only healthy way to this disorder.
If you want to sell the false proposition that sodomy is in any way acceptable behavior, you’re knocking on the wrong door.
” It doesnt change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.”
They are not scared of homosexuals. Indeed, they provide services to any person, regardless of sexual orientation.
I think you are afraid of their religious conviction -— a Christianophobic who has no tolerance for religious convictions that do not comport with your own.
That settles it, I like them more than ever now...........
Haha, Jesus? He certainly wouldn’t have acted like many of the so-called Christian groups of today.
Please stop projecting your pro homosexual agenda against the Salvation Army.
It's a church - a church which actually does GOOD.
They are bible based - can't you see that?
ichabod1;gidget7: Thank you for kindly attempting to correct this FReeper in his/her errors.
I’m going out this evening...I’ll make a point to locate and donate.
Do you think that you should not have had to pay?
It took my nephew five years to pay off his son’s NICU stay.
The fact that SF sees the Salvation Army is a ‘threat’ only motivates me more to always donate to SA and to always ignore UW.
Any charts out there for Charities showing how much they raise vs what they give out? 89% sound great. What about the United Way or Red Cross?
Just what is this ‘proportionalism’ that is mentioned here, in regards to the Catholic church?
so basically the militant homos would rather kids go hungry ...
Perhaps it is YOU, and folks like you, who are truly homophobic. Afraid to take a stand, afraid to utter a word of disagreement? For fear the big bad gay person my get mad at you?
If one fails to believe in, take a stand for, something, they will fall for anything. This is a conservative Christian principles website, perhaps you would be more comfortable elsewhere.
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