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The Salvation Army - naughty or nice?
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/14/9 | Phil Bronstein

Posted on 12/14/2009 12:45:15 PM PST by SmithL

The halls aren't the only thing getting decked this holiday season.

The Salvation Army, the country's biggest charity, is taking it full on the chin from a social media network mobilized against the organization's position on homosexuality and other social sins. Twitter, Facebook and gay Web sites are lit up with protest and calls for donor boycotts.

The Army's official same-sex statement suggests it's unlikely those cheery volunteers ringing bells over red kettles will be donning gay apparel anytime soon.

While homosexuals are not "blameworthy," ... "Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex." The Army is an unabashedly evangelical, religious entity, after all, and has also resisted domestic partner benefits for its employees.

Last month, there was another stink about the Army's Houston division demanding to see Social Security cards of needy parents before providing toys for their kids. Angry protesters claimed this was discrimination against cardless illegal immigrants.

Before we take the predictable San Francisco, to-the-barricades view on all this, let's consider the Catholic concept of "proportionalism." This means (roughly, my interpretation) that bad conduct can be acceptable if a much greater good is being accomplished.

The Salvation Army served 33 million people in the United States last year. It raises about $2 billion a year and spends an impressive 89 percent of that on services - food, shelter, foster care and HIV programs.

It is a consistent and reliable disaster relief group.

"The first hand that reaches to pull you from the rubble of our next earthquake," Shea O'Neill wrote on the SFAppeal Web site last week, "will be the anti-gay hand of the Salvation Army."

There's no whitewashing their beliefs, if you oppose them, though the Army mission also is clear that its relief services are available to anyone "without regard to sexual orientation."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


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KEYWORDS: charity; christmas; gaystapo; homonaziagenda; homonazis; homonazism; homosexualagenda; salvationarmy
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1 posted on 12/14/2009 12:45:16 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

It’s the one charity I trust. It’s the one that you see really doing something for the poor so you might know the libs would be going after them.


2 posted on 12/14/2009 12:47:22 PM PST by Barb4Bush (God bless Glenn Beck!)
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To: SmithL

When God’s mega quake hits Homo Bay, they shall see who shows up first.


3 posted on 12/14/2009 12:48:22 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: SmithL

Sure they do good things. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.


4 posted on 12/14/2009 12:48:41 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: Barb4Bush

The Salvation Army and my church are the ONLY places that get my donations/tithes.


5 posted on 12/14/2009 12:49:12 PM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: SmithL

Another reason why I donate to the Salvation Army


6 posted on 12/14/2009 12:49:33 PM PST by NH Red
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To: SmithL

The Salvation Army? Darn near Saintly!


7 posted on 12/14/2009 12:49:33 PM PST by Little Ray (Cheney / Norris in 2012!)
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To: SmithL

If there are ‘good guys’ in the world, it’s the Salvation Army.


8 posted on 12/14/2009 12:50:12 PM PST by The Grammarian (Hail to the (Groveller in) Chief!)
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To: TheSuaveOne

Where do you get homophobe? It doesn’t say they’re AFRAID of homosexshals, it says they don’t condone the behavior. Big difference there, Cheif.


9 posted on 12/14/2009 12:51:22 PM PST by ichabod1 ( I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet.)
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To: Barb4Bush

I agree and even though I probably can’t afford it I will be giving MORE to them this year. This organization really does good work.


10 posted on 12/14/2009 12:51:41 PM PST by gramho12 (Sarah smile..)
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To: Little Ray

And THAT is why I drop money in the pots when I hear the bells....I LOVE THIS CHARITY and I LOVE ST. JUDE’s CHILDREN’s research and hospital charity and doctors without borders....ALL DO THE RIGHT THING WITH MINIMAL OVERHEAD...UNLIKE UNITED WAY which is a cesspool of crap.


11 posted on 12/14/2009 12:51:51 PM PST by Republic (Get the uhbama's, reid's, pelosi's dirty greedy fingers out of our personal medical care!)
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To: The Grammarian

“If there are ‘good guys’ in the world, it’s the Salvation Army.”

That’s why the liberals must destroy them.


12 posted on 12/14/2009 12:52:04 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Barb4Bush

I don’t mind dropping them some change outside of Wally World. Now when United Way comes into my workplace, I tell them to go to hell.


13 posted on 12/14/2009 12:52:31 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: SmithL

Glad to see they are on God’s side. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah.


14 posted on 12/14/2009 12:53:04 PM PST by Cedar
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To: SmithL
I think their stance on homosexuality is quite appropriate. They basically say that unmarried people should not be having sex, regardless whether it's hetero or homo sexual. It's equal opportunity, not just again homosexuality. Of course, that's without getting in to the homosexuals should be allowed to marry nonsense.
15 posted on 12/14/2009 12:53:28 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: gramho12

I never pass by one of their kettles but they are getting ones this year instead of fives.


16 posted on 12/14/2009 12:54:19 PM PST by Barb4Bush (God bless Glenn Beck!)
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To: ichabod1

LOL, who are they to judge anyone. Condone, rofl.


17 posted on 12/14/2009 12:54:19 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne

EHH Wrong answer!

They are a Church! Churches cannot be expected to accept sin of any kind. What is the matter, can you not see the illogical and insane thought process that even invents a word, like homophobia, to attempt to manipulate people into accepting a social ill?

If my neighbor decides to get his jollies from a hole in a tree in his front yard, are we to accept that as normal and healthy too?


18 posted on 12/14/2009 12:54:26 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: SmithL

The Salvation Army is an outstanding charity!


19 posted on 12/14/2009 12:54:58 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: SmithL

“It raises about $2 billion a year and spends an impressive 89 percent of that on services - food, shelter, foster care and HIV programs.”

You would hate to hear what percentage of Social Security and Medicare income is used to run the system itself. If they disbursed 89 percent of the money they take in, we’d be fine.


20 posted on 12/14/2009 12:55:07 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Republic

I won’t give a pennyt to United Way. I won’t pass the Salvation Army bell ringers without putting something in...


21 posted on 12/14/2009 12:55:07 PM PST by Little Ray (Cheney / Norris in 2012!)
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To: gidget7

You’re comparing a human being to a tree or at least a hole in a tree? How very Christian of you. LOL


22 posted on 12/14/2009 12:55:42 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: Gaffer

The Salvation Army doesn’t ask any questions in a disaster. They just help people.

I’ve seen them help poor families who lost their home in a fire and a wealthy neighborhood hit by a flood. They won’t ask any questions about the lifestyles of those they will help in a future SF earthquake.

The gay lobby needs to understand that tolerance means you “tolerate” behavior you don’t like. Tolerance does not mean approval.


23 posted on 12/14/2009 12:56:15 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: SmithL
"The first hand that reaches to pull you from the rubble of our next earthquake," Shea O'Neill wrote on the SFAppeal Web site last week, "will be the anti-gay hand of the Salvation Army."

So stand up for your skewed morals punk and refuse the assistance. Yeah, didn't think so.

24 posted on 12/14/2009 12:56:18 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer.)
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To: goseminoles

United Way is a very large group of crooks. I never give them any money and I don’t like the Red Cross either.


25 posted on 12/14/2009 12:56:43 PM PST by Barb4Bush (God bless Glenn Beck!)
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To: SmithL

I gave birth to our daughter in a SA hospital. I had complications resulting in a long and expensive hospital stay for both of us.
Because our insurance refused to cover much of it due to semantics we were held to be responsible for a huge amount.
In the end after battling the insurance company and the hospital and their attorney through the insurance commissioner’s office, thankfully the insurance company paid. The SA attorney was a shark. I will never give them any money.


26 posted on 12/14/2009 12:57:36 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: Roos_Girl

“Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex.”

This is clear in their statement-—no acceptance of homosexuality. Not just any unmarried sex, as you said.


27 posted on 12/14/2009 12:57:36 PM PST by Cedar
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To: TheSuaveOne
It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.

What do you mean by homophobic?

28 posted on 12/14/2009 12:57:59 PM PST by frogjerk
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To: MediaMole

I agree. SA is the only charity I give to. Glad to see they still stick to their beliefs.


29 posted on 12/14/2009 12:59:06 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: SmithL

The Salvation Army of Houston refuted the story. It was checking various kinds of information. However, the idea was to prevent people from gaming them and getting multiple toys. No child was turned away due to their immigration status.


30 posted on 12/14/2009 12:59:20 PM PST by RonF
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To: Barb4Bush
United Way is a very large group of crooks.

The United Way supports planned parenthood and stopped supporting the Boy Scouts of America. That should tell you all you need to know about the United Way.

31 posted on 12/14/2009 1:00:01 PM PST by frogjerk
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To: frogjerk

irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals


32 posted on 12/14/2009 1:00:34 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne

>> Sure they do good things. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization. <<

And your forget they do good work in helping people with HIV, so they may not condone what some groups do, but they sure are gracious enough to help clean up after them in manner of speaking.


33 posted on 12/14/2009 1:00:50 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Barb4Bush
I have refused any donations to United Way for 20+years. If that means "we don't meet our goal"--tough. I don't trust the Red Cross -- too top heavy with rich, extremely well paid directors.

My charity of choice is the Salvation Army, for many, many years.

34 posted on 12/14/2009 1:01:08 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: SmithL

And I also don’t mind some of my pocket change going to folks with HIV. Most aren’t in your face libs. Many are people that really are having a hard time around the holiday season in regards to food assistance and a small gift for their children.


35 posted on 12/14/2009 1:01:17 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: TheSuaveOne
I guess you would call The Lord Jesus Christ/The almighty God, homophobic also, eh???

You people and your phobics...roll eyes. What`s next? some sort of phobic on the back of pedophile? Those poor pedophiles will be saying they are being treated badly.SARC

The Salvation Army is a Christian org, The Bible is very clear that homosexuality is an abomination. Thank God that the Salvation Army is standing firm!!

Yes we show love to the homosexuals, but it`s not love to tell them their life is OK to The Lord, because it clearly is not.

36 posted on 12/14/2009 1:01:25 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( SARAH PALIN or BUST.)
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To: Roos_Girl

>> I think their stance on homosexuality is quite appropriate. They basically say that unmarried people should not be having sex, regardless whether it’s hetero or homo sexual. It’s equal opportunity, not just again homosexuality. Of course, that’s without getting in to the homosexuals should be allowed to marry nonsense. <<

Just as I don’t like crazy lib charities like Peta, some people don’t like the SA. If you don’t like the SA, don’t give them money, problem solved. I know I may give the SA some money this year.


37 posted on 12/14/2009 1:02:24 PM PST by GraceG
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To: ichabod1; TheSuaveOne

Yes. Their is a difference between “fear” and “disapproval.” In any case, how sad that Salvation Army opponents are ready to penalize thousands of people in need just because the organization has a different point of view. You’re not supporting that, are you SuaveOne?


38 posted on 12/14/2009 1:02:27 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: TheSuaveOne

“Sure they do good things. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization”

There is no such thing as “homophobia.”

People who are repelled by homosexuality are responding in the only healthy way to this disorder.

If you want to sell the false proposition that sodomy is in any way acceptable behavior, you’re knocking on the wrong door.


39 posted on 12/14/2009 1:02:54 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: TheSuaveOne

” It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.”

They are not scared of homosexuals. Indeed, they provide services to any person, regardless of sexual orientation.

I think you are afraid of their religious conviction -— a Christianophobic who has no tolerance for religious convictions that do not comport with your own.


40 posted on 12/14/2009 1:03:11 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheSuaveOne

That settles it, I like them more than ever now...........


41 posted on 12/14/2009 1:03:16 PM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Haha, Jesus? He certainly wouldn’t have acted like many of the so-called Christian groups of today.


42 posted on 12/14/2009 1:03:48 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne; ichabod1; gidget7
Dear TheSuaveOne:

Please stop projecting your pro homosexual agenda against the Salvation Army.

It's a church - a church which actually does GOOD.

They are bible based - can't you see that?

ichabod1;gidget7: Thank you for kindly attempting to correct this FReeper in his/her errors.

43 posted on 12/14/2009 1:03:48 PM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: SmithL

I’m going out this evening...I’ll make a point to locate and donate.


44 posted on 12/14/2009 1:04:10 PM PST by blam
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To: kalee

Do you think that you should not have had to pay?

It took my nephew five years to pay off his son’s NICU stay.


45 posted on 12/14/2009 1:04:19 PM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: SmithL

The fact that SF sees the Salvation Army is a ‘threat’ only motivates me more to always donate to SA and to always ignore UW.


46 posted on 12/14/2009 1:05:17 PM PST by kromike
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To: Republic

Any charts out there for Charities showing how much they raise vs what they give out? 89% sound great. What about the United Way or Red Cross?


47 posted on 12/14/2009 1:06:00 PM PST by tndarlin (If only the VRWC had ACORN, SOROS, SEIU, TIDES .....)
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To: SmithL

Just what is this ‘proportionalism’ that is mentioned here, in regards to the Catholic church?


48 posted on 12/14/2009 1:06:05 PM PST by RoadGumby (God did not evolve mankind from pond scum, but it might be easy to think that about liberals)
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To: SmithL

so basically the militant homos would rather kids go hungry ...
nice.


49 posted on 12/14/2009 1:06:23 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: TheSuaveOne

Perhaps it is YOU, and folks like you, who are truly homophobic. Afraid to take a stand, afraid to utter a word of disagreement? For fear the big bad gay person my get mad at you?

If one fails to believe in, take a stand for, something, they will fall for anything. This is a conservative Christian principles website, perhaps you would be more comfortable elsewhere.


50 posted on 12/14/2009 1:06:59 PM PST by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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