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Winchester to Deliver 200 Million 40-Cal. Rounds to Homeland Security
Gun Reports ^ | 12/14/2009 | Gun Reports

Posted on 12/14/2009 6:45:53 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Winchester Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds over the next five years.

The load selected for this contract is a 135-grain, hollow point designed for the office of Field Operations of Customs and Border Protection. It will fall under the Winchester Ranger line.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bhobanglist; bhodhs; democrats; dhs; homelandsecurity; obama; winchester
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1 posted on 12/14/2009 6:45:54 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

With just over 15,000 employees, that works out to just over 13,000 rounds per employee...


2 posted on 12/14/2009 6:46:15 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Any idea how this compares to previous orders?


3 posted on 12/14/2009 6:47:20 PM PST by RebelTXRose
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

....and we gotta scrounge for ours.


5 posted on 12/14/2009 6:48:25 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

OK, so who are they going to shoot 200 million times?


6 posted on 12/14/2009 6:49:09 PM PST by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I wonder how many of those rounds will end up piercing the bodies of anti-0bama protesters at some future time.


7 posted on 12/14/2009 6:49:09 PM PST by ScottinVA (The arrogance of this Congress is staggering. November 2010 can't get here quickly enough.)
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To: enduserindy

lol


8 posted on 12/14/2009 6:50:33 PM PST by Diggity
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They’re using hollow points?


9 posted on 12/14/2009 6:52:15 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Really how does this compare to previous orders?


10 posted on 12/14/2009 6:52:38 PM PST by ColdOne (ColdOne (vote them out!))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Winchester( Olin) does not make ammo in America. (correct me if I am wrong).


11 posted on 12/14/2009 6:53:35 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Hey, “O”.....you’re a little late to the Ammo party.

Homeland Security doesn’t need that much ammo.......


12 posted on 12/14/2009 6:53:51 PM PST by 4Speed
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Whew!
No competition for my preferred .45 Federal Premium, 165 Grain, Hydra-Shok, JHP.


13 posted on 12/14/2009 6:54:17 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: 4Speed

The ICE division of HS is what has ordered this enormous cache.


15 posted on 12/14/2009 6:55:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America.)
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Perhaps the enemy to be shot is us


16 posted on 12/14/2009 6:56:18 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Why does our government need hollow point?


17 posted on 12/14/2009 6:56:32 PM PST by TxGrandMom
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To: ScottinVA

Probably none. I think this administration is starting to spend every dollar they can possibly spend between now and election day in November, 2010. They’re effectively doing more economic stimulus spending without calling it another stimulus bill. That’s why the senate just passed a budget bill with big increases for the State Dept. and Education Dept., which they surely don’t need.


18 posted on 12/14/2009 6:56:55 PM PST by your local physicist (If the Canadians and Brazilians can drill for oil off their Atlantic coast, why can't we?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They need 200 million rounds of ammunition for what, exactly?


19 posted on 12/14/2009 6:58:40 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
With just over 15,000 employees, that works out to just over 13,000 rounds per employee...

Based on how most "employees" shoot - it looks to me like they are about 10,000 rounds short!

20 posted on 12/14/2009 6:58:46 PM PST by JD91
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To: ScottinVA

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Winchester plant where this ammo will be manufactured is in some democrat congressman’s district who could be in a tough race next year.


21 posted on 12/14/2009 6:58:54 PM PST by your local physicist (If the Canadians and Brazilians can drill for oil off their Atlantic coast, why can't we?)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

One for every conservative.


22 posted on 12/14/2009 6:59:58 PM PST by Jagman
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To: TxGrandMom; RavenATB

Jacketed hollow points are what you use to shoot people or animals with.

Full metal jacket rounds are practice rounds: cheaper because they’re easier to make. Of course, when you’re shooting on the gov’t dime, you can practice with full defense loadings.

Our troops get the shaft and have to use FMJ because of the 1886 Hague Convention’s obscure wording designed to make sure no scary future exploding rounds would be developed. I don’t know why the higher ups don’t just announce that the FMJ standard is BS and switch us to JHPs.


23 posted on 12/14/2009 7:00:10 PM PST by BobbyT
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Way our cops aim, they need it. Remember out here a few years back - 13 cops fired over 100 rounds and missed the guy... killed the van he was in but missed him.


24 posted on 12/14/2009 7:01:30 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Winchester Ammunition was recently awarded a contract by the Immigration, Customs and Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security to supply a maximum of 200 million, 40 cal. rounds

The total population of the US is about 307 million people.

Firmly tightening the tin foil hat, what big plans does ICE and DHS have for the coming years?

25 posted on 12/14/2009 7:02:20 PM PST by RJL
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To: BobbyT

Whoops, 1899.


26 posted on 12/14/2009 7:02:25 PM PST by BobbyT
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To: G Larry

Or for my 9mm Hornady Critical Defense rounds. Or my (legal, sorry BATF lurkers) 223 hollow points and FMJs...


27 posted on 12/14/2009 7:03:26 PM PST by piytar (Go Away RNC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Maybe they will be issued to the guards at the FEMA internment camps for conservatives.


28 posted on 12/14/2009 7:05:51 PM PST by pietraynor (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. Ronald Reagan)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Probably 1/3 of those employees don’t carry a gun.


29 posted on 12/14/2009 7:06:16 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Campion

To keep the factories busy and unable to sell ammo to you and me.


30 posted on 12/14/2009 7:08:19 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: edcoil

HPs don’t work as well for vehicles. They expand on hitting the metal or glass and lose a lot of their energy.


31 posted on 12/14/2009 7:10:01 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Very odd that you post would be zotted considering a five star general and President of the United States implemented "Operation Wetback" in 1954.

"Operation Wetback"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

32 posted on 12/14/2009 7:10:51 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I’m thinking that this is destined for Obama’s Civilian Defense Force. he’s using Homeland Security to temporarily hold the stuff until he can wage war against those who voted against him.


33 posted on 12/14/2009 7:11:15 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Hoax and Chains)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
They can have it.

I'll probably get flamed but I see no reason for the .40. If you want a good sized flying ashtray bullet, carry a .45. If you want small and concealable, carry a 9mm with decent rounds. But why take a wonderful cartridge (10mm) and neuter it because some government agents had trouble with the recoil?

At least they've chosen the 135 grain, which makes a lot more sense then the 150 to 165’s they were carrying. It's still an in-between cartridge that I just don't see a need for.

34 posted on 12/14/2009 7:12:10 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: driftdiver

Take the money out of your wallet in higher taxes. The money that you’d use to buy yourself ammo but you don’t have it anymore.

You are paying to arm them to come after you someday.


35 posted on 12/14/2009 7:12:19 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: ScottinVA
I wonder how many of those rounds will end up piercing the bodies of anti-0bama protesters at some future time.

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded [with lotsa ammo]."

36 posted on 12/14/2009 7:12:19 PM PST by Moe Tzadik
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To: driftdiver

When you have circled a van and at a range of 10 feet a HP should do both.


37 posted on 12/14/2009 7:12:24 PM PST by edcoil (If I had 1 cent for every dollar the government saved, Bill Gates and I would be friends.)
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To: RebelTXRose
And how recent is "recent"?

The Federal Government goes on a massive spending spree every late August through September as "end of year" money needs to be spent. Not spending money results in that money not only being returned to the treasury, but subsequent years' budgets reduced (OMB, etc, look at any surplus and project subsequent budgets down ... since an agency with a surplus just has too much money to begin with).

There are all sorts of stories about obscene quantities of "stuff" that gets purchased with EOY dollars. The one that really stands out to me is how DoD, in the late 1970s, bought something like 150 YEARS worth of mainframe punchcards in order to completely spend their budget.
38 posted on 12/14/2009 7:12:34 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

Duh, the article is from late August. Definitely an EOY buy, nothing sinister involved, unless you consider abuse of taxpayer $$$ to be sinister ...


39 posted on 12/14/2009 7:14:03 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They could send any extras my way!


40 posted on 12/14/2009 7:14:09 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: enduserindy

Somebody’s dog.


41 posted on 12/14/2009 7:14:36 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

My other thought is that most of these employees aren’t going to be taking adequate range time.


42 posted on 12/14/2009 7:14:50 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: driftdiver
HPs don’t work as well for vehicles. They expand on hitting the metal or glass and lose a lot of their energy.

HPs don't work on thick skined animals either!

43 posted on 12/14/2009 7:15:24 PM PST by JD91
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To: tanknetter

why would Obama order 200 million hollow pt bullets?? (esp since democrats are so against “torture”)


44 posted on 12/14/2009 7:16:21 PM PST by profit_guy
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To: pietraynor

What is EPA arming their agents with?


45 posted on 12/14/2009 7:17:32 PM PST by chickenlips
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To: driftdiver
"To keep the factories busy and unable to sell ammo to you and me."

Exactly!

46 posted on 12/14/2009 7:17:36 PM PST by StormEye
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To: I cannot think of a name

If you want something with more knock down power than a 9mm and carry in a purse rather than a holster, the .40 is a great size. I don’t want to carry a cannon (.45) but want something a little stouter than a 9mm.


47 posted on 12/14/2009 7:18:03 PM PST by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: JD91

Read one report where the guy had a thick leather jacket on. The hollow of the hollow point was filled with leather and did not expand. The jacket also absorbed some of the energy which limited its stopping power. Allowed the guy to return fire.


48 posted on 12/14/2009 7:18:18 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Thanks, TMMT (and Freeper Nation). I usually research articles for our ammo-finder site on my own, but this one from FR was too juicy not to post there, too!


49 posted on 12/14/2009 7:19:40 PM PST by piytar (Go Away RNC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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To: 4Speed

Maybe it’s to increase ‘retail sales’ LOL


50 posted on 12/14/2009 7:23:32 PM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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