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The Salvation Army - Naughty or Nice?
SFChronicle ^ | December 14th 2009

Posted on 12/14/2009 7:51:07 PM PST by Steelfish

The Salvation Army - Naughty or Nice?

Phil Bronstein

December 14, 2009

The Salvation Army, the country's biggest charity, is taking it full on the chin from a social media network mobilized against the organization's position on homosexuality and other social sins. Twitter, Facebook and gay Web sites are lit up with protest and calls for donor boycotts.

The Army's official same-sex statement suggests it's unlikely those cheery volunteers ringing bells over red kettles will be donning gay apparel anytime soon.

While homosexuals are not "blameworthy," the statement says, "Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex." The Army is an unabashedly evangelical, religious entity, after all, and has also resisted domestic partner benefits for its employees.

Last month, there was another stink about the Army's Houston division demanding to see Social Security cards of needy parents before providing toys for their kids. Angry protesters claimed this was discrimination against cardless illegal immigrants.

Before we take the predictable San Francisco, to-the-barricades view on all this, let's consider the Catholic concept of "proportionalism." This means (roughly, my interpretation) that bad conduct can be acceptable if a much greater good is being accomplished.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: salvationarmy

1 posted on 12/14/2009 7:51:08 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Just for that, I’m dropping another twenty in the pot.


2 posted on 12/14/2009 7:53:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Steelfish
After weighing the moral dilemma, I'll be dropping some dough in that bucket myself.

Good for him. Next time for me a larger denomination bill.

3 posted on 12/14/2009 7:55:18 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: Steelfish
"The first hand that reaches to pull you from the rubble of our next earthquake," Shea O'Neill wrote on the SFAppeal Web site last week, "will be the anti-gay hand of the Salvation Army."

If I were buried in rubble, I wouldn't care if the hand was Christian, atheist, gay, or straight.

4 posted on 12/14/2009 7:56:18 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The Second Amendment. Don't MAKE me use it.)
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To: Steelfish

>http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/usn/www_usn_2.nsf<

Time for some major on-line donations!


5 posted on 12/14/2009 8:00:07 PM PST by G Larry (DNC is comprised of REGRESSIVES!)
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To: Steelfish
For checking the social security cards to prevent abuse by illegal aliens, I put them in my will. Seriously, the Salvation Army is my favorite charity.

The comment about the first helping hand after an earthquake being the Salvation Army is right on.

The Red Cross will drive up in their van, with the logo prominently displayed, and wait for the TV cameras to arrive.

6 posted on 12/14/2009 8:04:22 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Just for that, I’m dropping another twenty in the pot.

ditto

7 posted on 12/14/2009 8:04:59 PM PST by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: G Larry

The Salvation Army always comes through. They are the best!


8 posted on 12/14/2009 8:05:33 PM PST by balls (Sarah, get off your facebook and do something!)
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To: pfflier

Yep.


9 posted on 12/14/2009 8:06:02 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Steelfish
obtw

It raises about $2 billion a year and spends an impressive 89 percent of that on services - food, shelter, foster care and HIV programs.

89% - like to see the stats on the "nicer" charities, like the United Way and any others.

10 posted on 12/14/2009 8:10:27 PM PST by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: Steelfish

I will definitely up my contribution


11 posted on 12/14/2009 8:11:55 PM PST by DirtyDawg (eat fruit)
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To: Steelfish
I always give to the Salvation Army because of the story's my mother told me of how they help her and her family when she was a child... glad to see the are standing fast
12 posted on 12/14/2009 8:14:52 PM PST by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Me too!


13 posted on 12/14/2009 8:16:45 PM PST by tuckrdout ("Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: balls

They are. I am proud to say my mother and my grandmother both worked for them.

They give without asking for payment in return, unlike the red cross, which I use to work for........


14 posted on 12/14/2009 8:19:11 PM PST by tuckrdout ("Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tophat9000
According to my mother-in-law when her Dad served in WWI the Red Cross charged the soldiers for coffee and donuts. The Salvation army gave them away for free. So she only donates to the Army.
15 posted on 12/14/2009 8:19:13 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Steelfish

Like liberals ever give to the Salvation Army anyway.


16 posted on 12/14/2009 8:26:09 PM PST by Montanabound
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To: Montanabound
Like liberals ever give to the Salvation Army anyway.

Liberals think of no one but themselves.. They don't care about all the good the Salvation Army does.. They just care about their little gay agenda.
17 posted on 12/14/2009 8:30:33 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: tuckrdout

Thank you and your mother and granmother.


18 posted on 12/14/2009 8:32:44 PM PST by balls (Sarah, get off your facebook and do something!)
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To: Montanabound

I’ll kick in 25.00 that they otherwise would not have recieved!!!


19 posted on 12/14/2009 8:34:04 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but interested and informed)
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To: balls

I needed a reminder to give to my favorite and only charity.
I give to them every year.


20 posted on 12/14/2009 8:36:10 PM PST by Alex Kida
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To: Steelfish

Love Salvation Army. OUr new Envoy is speaking at our Republican Women Christmas luncheon tomorrow. Nice guy! Republican, but he’s not supposed to talk about it! LOL!


21 posted on 12/14/2009 8:43:55 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Steelfish

...so Gay groups are planning on “getting” the Salvation Army by putting the screws to the poor people the Salvation Army helps?

Am I reading that right?


22 posted on 12/14/2009 8:47:17 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Steelfish

Anyone else smell a rat?

SS numbers not needed for Salvation Army gifts
Newsroom
12/3/2009

HOUSTON (AP) Families signing up their children for The Salvation Army’s Angel Tree program in the Houston area will no longer have to give a Social Security number.

Some had seen the practice as a way to check immigration status, but the charity said it was a way to cut down on fraud.

The Christian charity says the number could be a child or parent’s and was enough to register the entire family.

It was used to check if families were going to various Salvation Army centers and registering at each one, said spokesman Juan Alanis. Social Security numbers were never used to verify legal status, the Salvation Army said Thursday.

The charity accepts consular identification cards, school records and birth certificates as forms of ID, Alanis said.

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=1171839


23 posted on 12/14/2009 8:48:46 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Steelfish

Salvation Army gets my vote here!

Another thing — Do not shop at Target for Christmas — and tell them why in January.

They (Target) will not allow the Salvation Army Bell Ringers outside their stores. I’m proud to say I have never stepped a foot inside a Target store.


24 posted on 12/14/2009 8:50:07 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: G Larry

Thanks for the link. Just made a donation.


25 posted on 12/14/2009 8:52:30 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Steelfish

Gee, I wish I’d seen this BEFORE I made my charity decisions for the CFC.

Well, I’ll just have to make a point of dropping some money into the pot.

I saw a TV show a few years ago about an apartment building the Salvation Army maintains in Paris. They specialize in taking young women—many of them victims of abuse by parents or boyfriends, some of whom had turned to prostitution—and giving them a place to stay and a helping hand to eventually gain independence. The Salvation Army doesn’t just do its work in the US.


26 posted on 12/14/2009 9:04:54 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Gee, I wish I’d seen this BEFORE I made my charity decisions for the CFC. Well, I’ll just have to make a point of dropping some money into the pot.

An alternative is donating items to one of their thrift shops. There is a distribution center I pass quite often and recently I got into that mode of "getting rid of stuff" and other family members got into the act. I've been dropping off boxes of clothes, books and the like that they can sell to raise some funds.

Those organizing boycotts of the Salvation Army are nothing more than a whiny group of spoiled narcissists. All they see is an organization that has the audacity to disagree with them, and for that they want it eradicated despite the good it does, the lives its saves and brightens or the charity it inspires. Truly evil people.
27 posted on 12/14/2009 9:14:10 PM PST by LostInBayport (When the riders in the cart outnumber those pulling the cart, the cart stops moving. My back hurts.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Two silver eagles for me.


28 posted on 12/14/2009 9:19:46 PM PST by lookout88 (.combat rescue officer's dad,)
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To: Steelfish

Salvation Army BTTT. I donate to every one of their pots I pass.


29 posted on 12/14/2009 9:22:22 PM PST by Cold Heart
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To: Steelfish
The Salvation Army is the only large charity I’ll donate to.
30 posted on 12/14/2009 9:59:11 PM PST by DB
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To: Steelfish
If the liberals want to boycott the Salvation Army, just remind them that if they do, they deprive someone or children of food and shelter or basic needs..
Need to remind them( LIBERALS/PRO-GAY-AGENDA Activists ) who want to boycott the Salvation Army, that they are taking away funds to help those in need in storms, hurricanes ( does Katrina comes to mind ? ) earthquakes, so ? their boycott is another form of a HATE CRIME !!!!!!

GOD BLESS THE SALVATION ARMY !!!!

THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THE CHURCH ( THE BODY OF CHRIST ) .....
31 posted on 12/14/2009 10:10:32 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: All

I’m not sure what the article was trying to say. Can anyone help? It was VERY unclear. Thanks.


32 posted on 12/14/2009 10:18:38 PM PST by jackibutterfly
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To: Steelfish
Thank you for the motivation, perverts.

I now plan to double my not-so-modest yearly Christmas contribution to the Salvation Army.

33 posted on 12/14/2009 11:11:37 PM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Steelfish
Thank you for the motivation, perverts.

I now plan to double my not-so-modest yearly Christmas contribution to the Salvation Army.

34 posted on 12/14/2009 11:11:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: Alex Kida

Please don’t take this as a personal attack.

Do you really need a reminder to donate to the one and only Charity you support?

Did I read that wrong or did it just come out poorly worded?


35 posted on 12/15/2009 6:03:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: exDemMom

“What is The Salvation Army?

The Salvation Army is an integral part of the Christian Church, although distinctive in government and practice. The Army’s doctrine follows the mainstream of Christian belief and its articles of faith emphasise God’s saving purposes. Its objects are ‘the advancement of the Christian religion… of education, the relief of poverty, and other charitable objects beneficial to society or the community of mankind as a whole.’*”

“The movement, founded in 1865 by William Booth, has spread from London, England, to many parts of the world.”

http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_sa.nsf/vw-dynamic-index/5F180AE9ED2270FE80256D4B0044DBA2?openDocument


36 posted on 12/15/2009 8:12:21 AM PST by balls (Sarah, get off your facebook and do something!)
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To: Steelfish

Ping


37 posted on 12/15/2009 8:16:58 AM PST by balls (Sarah, get off your facebook and do something!)
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To: thackney

I guess this was my way to say that I appreciate the Salvation Army and I must make sure to donate this year. Also I hoped that others might contribute as well if I mentioned it. That’s pretty easy to understand and whether I need a reminder or not is none of your business. The statement stands just as it is.

I can’t imagine why you would you would even care how I remember how to give to charities.

Don’t bother to reply to me...


thackney to Alex Kida

Please don’t take this as a personal attack.

Do you really need a reminder to donate to the one and only Charity you support?

Did I read that wrong or did it just come out poorly worded?


38 posted on 12/17/2009 12:06:14 AM PST by Alex Kida
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To: CaptainK
According to my mother-in-law when her Dad served in WWI the Red Cross charged the soldiers for coffee and donuts. The Salvation army gave them away for free. So she only donates to the Army.

My mother said the same thing... my grandfather always got free coffee and donuts from the Salvation Army during the time he served in WWI.

39 posted on 12/17/2009 12:10:46 AM PST by nutmeg (Rush Limbaugh & Sarah Palin agree: NO third parties! Take back the GOP)
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To: Alex Kida

I did not understand your comment and was trying to better understand your message.

I am sorry I gave offense and I tried to be clear it wasn’t my intent.

God Bless and Merry Christmas.


40 posted on 12/17/2009 5:29:33 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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