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Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”
Plumline ^ | 12/15/09

Posted on 12/15/2009 12:27:51 PM PST by LdSentinal

In a blow to the bill grinding through the Senate, Howard Dean bluntly called for the bill to be killed in a pre-recorded interview set to air later this afternoon, denouncing it as “the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate,” the reporter who conducted the interview tells me.

Dean said the removal of the Medicare buy-in made the bill not worth supporting, and urged Dem leaders to start over with the process of reconciliation in the interview, which is set to air at 5:50 PM today on Vermont Public Radio, political reporter Bob Kinzel confirms to me.

The gauntlet from Dean — whose voice on health care is well respsected among liberals — will energize those on the left who are mobilizing against the bill, and make it tougher for liberals to embrace the emerging proposal. In an excerpt Kinzel gave me, Dean says:

“This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate. Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.”

Kinzel added that Dean essentially said that if Democratic leaders cave into Joe Lieberman right now they’ll be left with a bill that’s not worth supporting.

Dean had previously endorsed the Medicare buy-in compromise without a public option, saying that the key question should be whether the bill contains enough “real reform” to be worthy of progressives’ support. Dean has apparently concluded that the “real reform” has been removed at Lieberman’s behest — which won’t make it easier for liberals to swallow the emerging compromise.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dean; healthcare; howard; howarddean; joelieberman; killthebill; lieberman; medicare; medicare55; obamacare; publicoption; singlepayer; sucks
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1 posted on 12/15/2009 12:27:52 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal

The enemy of my enemy is my friend??


2 posted on 12/15/2009 12:29:16 PM PST by Dansong
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To: LdSentinal

When did Howard Dean grow a brain?


3 posted on 12/15/2009 12:29:50 PM PST by Mr. K (Deathly afraid my typos become a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: LdSentinal

Wow! I never thought I would be in agreement with Howard Dean on anything.


4 posted on 12/15/2009 12:29:50 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: LdSentinal

If only they would listen . . . Maybe he should scream.


5 posted on 12/15/2009 12:30:08 PM PST by Faith (By the way---where is that birth certificate?)
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To: LdSentinal

He was a doctor.


6 posted on 12/15/2009 12:30:27 PM PST by wac3rd (Felipe Calderon supports the public option.)
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To: LdSentinal

It would have to be pretty bad piece of legislation for Howard Dean to go against Obama.

Soooooooooooooo ....


7 posted on 12/15/2009 12:33:15 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: LdSentinal

Getting all these egos to agree on something is like trying to herd cats.


8 posted on 12/15/2009 12:33:20 PM PST by krogers58
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To: wac3rd

He was/is indeed an MD who may well have interned as an abortionist at some point in his ‘development’.


9 posted on 12/15/2009 12:34:48 PM PST by MSF BU (++)
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To: LdSentinal

This is just cover for the Rats.

Dean crying for the Rats to impose the “nuclear option” to pass an even more socialist bill is intended to allow their buddies in the MSM to play the Reid bill as being “centrist” and “moderate.”

This is a sign the endgame is near, and the Rats are on the verge of 60 votes for the Reid bill.


10 posted on 12/15/2009 12:35:01 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: LdSentinal

Dean is an idiot. Which is good for us. The Dems could easily pass something without the public option and other bells and whistles, come back next year and quietly add everything to it then.


11 posted on 12/15/2009 12:35:12 PM PST by NotSoModerate
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To: Mr. K

He didn’t. It’s just not Communist enough for him to be worth supporting.


12 posted on 12/15/2009 12:35:23 PM PST by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Dansong

The Nutroots are in open revolt. Over at DU they’re calling Obama a sell-out and, more importantly, a one termer while claiming they’re done with the Dem party.


13 posted on 12/15/2009 12:35:32 PM PST by Callahan
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To: LdSentinal; CatDancer

Okay, I keep checking for the satire tag, but I’m just not seeing it.

These days it’s so hard to distinguish between reality and satire...

I’m rather amazed that E-Aaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggggghhhhhhhh Dean is opposed to Obamacare. Right now I like him a little bit better than Joe Lieberman.


14 posted on 12/15/2009 12:35:47 PM PST by green pastures
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To: LdSentinal
I think some of the above posters missed this :
go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill.”

With 51 votes they can put back in what Lieberman had taken out and even might get the Feds paying for abortion back into the bill and then pass the bill with 51 or more votes in the senate. - tom

15 posted on 12/15/2009 12:36:29 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Mr. K

He doesn’t have a brain but he knows this half-baked reform will only take longer to get us to a single payer system. He is all-in and wants the rest of the socialist posers to join him.


16 posted on 12/15/2009 12:36:50 PM PST by surfer
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To: LdSentinal

I don’t trust this. I think it’s some kind of ploy.


17 posted on 12/15/2009 12:36:52 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: LdSentinal

This is what has always been great about our country.
People from all sides of the political spectrum can come together against bad ideas, oftentimes for completely opposite reasons.

Perhaps there is hope yet for defeating this travesty. This bill is bad for ALL Americans, not just those of us who are conservatives. I’d never TRUST Howard Dean, but we’re wise to take up allies where we can, even if for disparate reasons, so long as we are careful not to make that always fatal mistake of thinking of them as trustworthy friends..


18 posted on 12/15/2009 12:39:03 PM PST by MWS
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To: Dansong
The enemy of my enemy is my friend??

Just so long as their at the same grid coordinates when you are ready.

19 posted on 12/15/2009 12:39:55 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: LdSentinal
Red Herring Alert. Red Herring Alert.

Already this idiot is making some normally brilliant minds at FR go soft. Don't trust this guy. Don't trust Democraps period.

20 posted on 12/15/2009 12:40:09 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: LdSentinal
kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process

Perhaps I'm just dense, but I thought the Senate would need to pass something before they could start the reconciliation process. If they don't, there's nothing to reconcile.

21 posted on 12/15/2009 12:40:59 PM PST by Vroomfondel
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I’m not so sure. Over on DU they’re saying it would be better not to pass it than to pass it in it’s present form. So the far left might see it as a losing situation, and prefer to scrap it.


22 posted on 12/15/2009 12:43:42 PM PST by dawn53
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Wow! I never thought I would be in agreement with Howard Dean on anything.


As much as I want to believe Howard Dean I simply cannot bring myself to trust a Democrat without verifying healthcare is dead.


23 posted on 12/15/2009 12:43:52 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Well, my FRiend, even a broken clock is right twice a day.


24 posted on 12/15/2009 12:45:53 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: dawn53

Obama just said the Reid bill meets all his “conditions” for health care reform.

The rest is just political theater by the Rats. Letting Dean and the far Left scream about what about a bad bill this is is good for the Rats from a spin perspective.

Obama, Reid and Pelosi will probably manage to squeak this by, and the deadening hand of massive governmental intrusion will crush the American health care industry and its hitherto spectacular record of advancement and innovation in medical treatment.


25 posted on 12/15/2009 12:51:10 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Mr. K

[When did Howard Dean grow a brain?]

He didn’t! He just thinks if they can’t get all the control at once, then go back and do an end-around on the American public!

Understand that he is against this because it isn’t a Single Payer plan!!!


26 posted on 12/15/2009 12:52:42 PM PST by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go Home!)
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To: Mr. K

He didn’t..he thinks by doing that,it will save the Dems in 2010.He’s just that out of touch with reality.


27 posted on 12/15/2009 12:53:19 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: Dansong
The enemy of my enemy is my friend??

Not unless you're as crazy as he is.
28 posted on 12/15/2009 12:55:37 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: Dansong
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?? Not really.

We oppose the bill because it's bad. Dean opposes because it's not bad enough.

29 posted on 12/15/2009 12:56:38 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: LdSentinal

Curiouser and curiouser...


30 posted on 12/15/2009 12:57:01 PM PST by Allegra (It doesn't matter what this tagline says...the liberals are going to call it "racist.")
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To: Mr. K

He turned so far left, he accidentally turned right for a moment there.


31 posted on 12/15/2009 12:58:13 PM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: NotSoModerate

Which is always the plan isn’t it?


32 posted on 12/15/2009 12:59:24 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (If the First Amendment is taken away, we will be forced to move on to the next Amendment)
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To: LdSentinal

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


33 posted on 12/15/2009 1:00:29 PM PST by sono (With Congress, every time they make a joke it's a law, and every time they make a law it's a joke.)
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To: Capt. Tom
The thing about reconciliation is that its logistics put passage of the monster in 2010, blowing off the Christmas present to the American People that Pelousy promised us.

Another angle to consider is the polls. With Ras now showing 61% opposed to HealthScare, this could be a face-saving way to back out. Maybe the 'rats don't want to get walloped next November.

34 posted on 12/15/2009 1:00:31 PM PST by C210N (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: beaversmom

“I don’t trust this. I think it’s some kind of ploy.”

Mega Ditto!!!!


35 posted on 12/15/2009 1:03:41 PM PST by acoulterfan
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To: Mr. K
When did Howard Dean grow a brain?

He didn't. He's just seen it get gutted from the monster he wants it to be.

AFAIC any bill is bad. Got to smack the camel back out from under the tent.

36 posted on 12/15/2009 1:04:24 PM PST by AFreeBird (Going Rogue in 2012)
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To: LdSentinal

Kos, Open Left, Democrat Underground, and the rest of the leftist internet sewers are saying the same thing. I just did a quick perusal. I wonder if the hacks on MSNBC, who take their cues straight from these blogs, will join the call to kill the bill.

Ironically, the leftist single-payer people could form a coalition with conservatives to defeat a senate bill. We’re a long ways from that, but the battle lines are forming. These loons have a good deal of pull on the Democrat party.....especially on the liberal wing, which controls a lot of votes.


37 posted on 12/15/2009 1:04:48 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Welcome2thejungle

We’re agreeing with Dean, albeit coming from completely different sides of the issue.....whatever, we need to kill this thing, and if Dean wants to help us, more power to him.


38 posted on 12/15/2009 1:05:37 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: LdSentinal

“Howard Dean: “Kill The Senate Bill”

Wha?!

Oh, I’m so lost here in Obamaland...


39 posted on 12/15/2009 1:05:42 PM PST by JenB987
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To: LdSentinal
BS

All dims will vote yes.

40 posted on 12/15/2009 1:05:53 PM PST by Mariner
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

What about Nelson? With Snowe out, he’s the 60th and unless they put the Stupak language back in, he won’t go along...will he?


41 posted on 12/15/2009 1:06:01 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: LdSentinal

Maybe he is the inside man we need to expose the impostor in the WH.


42 posted on 12/15/2009 1:08:01 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: F15Eagle
It would have to be pretty bad piece of legislation for Howard Dean to go against Obama.

Dean is opposed to the recent changes because it liberal or socialist enough. That is what he's complaining about.

43 posted on 12/15/2009 1:10:09 PM PST by voicereason (I Don't Need SEX...I Get Screwed By Democrats Everyday!!!)
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To: Mariner

Along with at least two RINOs.....


44 posted on 12/15/2009 1:14:14 PM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: LdSentinal

Here is what Dean is doing, from a political perspective.

He knows that the Reid bill is a huge step forward toward a single payer system and complete nationalization of health care.

The Reid bill essentially transforms health insurance providers into instrumentalities of the government.

Dean knows that the government intrusion into and control over the market will mean that after regulation takes effect the essential business model of private companies providing health insurance on a for-profit basis will become unfeasible.

Dean knows the Rats now have the 60 votes in the Senate, and that Pelosi will get behind Obama and Reid on this.

So Dean is positioning himself for his OWN political future. He knows he can safely do this now that the Rats appear to be able to pass a bill.

Dean’s base is in the far left. He will now sit on the sidelines and wait for the inevitable “failure,” because of this government control, of the “private market” to provide “affordable” insurance for “working families.”

Dean will become champion of the single-payer solution that will “solve” the problem of the “failure” of private insurance companies caused by the Obama-Reid-Pelosi bill.

He is now simply positioning himself for that role.


45 posted on 12/15/2009 1:17:01 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

I think you’re giving him too much credit. He’s just not that smart.


46 posted on 12/15/2009 1:18:37 PM PST by Birdstrike
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To: Birdstrike

I expect to see them put the Stupak language or something similar in the Senate bill. The language already passed the House. If it got by the Rats in the House, it will get by the Rats in the Senate.


47 posted on 12/15/2009 1:20:51 PM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: LdSentinal

THUD


48 posted on 12/15/2009 1:21:25 PM PST by pillut48 ("Stand now. Stand together. Stand for what is right."-Gov.Sarah Palin, "Going Rogue")
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To: Dansong

Keep reading - he wants to go through the reconciliation process with the House bill (which is just as bad if not worse than the seante bill) which only requires a simple majority - another words 51 votes - he is not our friend


49 posted on 12/15/2009 1:21:25 PM PST by jacjmm
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To: Vroomfondel; maica
Perhaps I'm just dense, but I thought the Senate would need to pass something before they could start the reconciliation process. If they don't, there's nothing to reconcile.

That is exactly what I thought. It is outrageous that we Americans who are trying to be informed don't even know exactly how and when the reconciliation process works. Congress is so full of unpatriotic (I gag when I hear them called public "servants") power-hungry egotists that they probably keep it vague so they can do whateveer they want. Who needs a stinkin' constitution? /s

50 posted on 12/15/2009 1:23:31 PM PST by Freee-dame
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