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1 posted on 12/15/2009 8:35:31 PM PST by Steelfish
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Uh Huh. Why don’t they tell us all about the image on that shroud they found too.


2 posted on 12/15/2009 8:37:27 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Steelfish

Just in time for Christmas...


3 posted on 12/15/2009 8:40:00 PM PST by donna ( I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth. - Barack Hussein Obama)
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I don’t know if the Shroud of Turin is what people think it is or not, but why would finding a different style of shroud “cast doubt” on the one in Turin? Do we all dress identically today, or all use the same kind of bedding, or drapes, or anything else? Why would we expect those in the first century Roman Empire to all use the same things?


4 posted on 12/15/2009 8:40:14 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping.


8 posted on 12/15/2009 8:49:44 PM PST by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: Steelfish

What idiocy.

1. As a weaver . . . I can attest that single weavers can weave any number of different styles. Twill is not that complicated. Sheesh.

2. It is highly likely that a special weave would have ended up as Christ’s cloth.

3. Jerusalem likely had many weavers from many regions with a great variety of styles.

4. Burial cloths and customs were also likely quite varied. And it would only take varying by say only 2-4 different styles to make the assertions of this article grossly foolhardy.


9 posted on 12/15/2009 8:50:33 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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Ancient shrouds from the period have been found before in the Holy Land, but never in Jerusalem. Researchers say the weave and design of the shroud discovered in a burial cave near Jerusalem's Old City are completely different to the Turin Shroud....The debate over the Turin Shroud will not go away. Last month a Vatican researcher said she had found the words 'Jesus Nazarene' on the shroud, proving it was the linen cloth which was wrapped around Christ's body.

Ping for later

10 posted on 12/15/2009 8:53:57 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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So just like the Climate Debate this is now settled? Sorry, not buying it. The left continuously works itself into a frenzy trying to disprove/discredit Christ and the Resurrection. As far as I am concerned they can ram their discovery right up their....uh, theory.


11 posted on 12/15/2009 8:54:18 PM PST by RadioCirca1970 (Victory or Death in the War on Terror)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


12 posted on 12/15/2009 8:55:59 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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It doesn’t matter what Jesus was buried in. It matters that the burial cloth was used for only three days, then discarded.

Let’s worship the Savior, not souvenirs.


13 posted on 12/15/2009 8:56:07 PM PST by Jedidah
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John 20:6,7 Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
15 posted on 12/15/2009 9:02:45 PM PST by presently no screen name
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Some people really, REALLY don’t want the Shroud to be genuine.


19 posted on 12/15/2009 9:16:39 PM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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A) IIRC ancient textile 'experts' (obviously different ones) have previously cited the unusual twill weave of the Turin Shroud as evidence for it being from the correct time. It will be interesting to see if pro-Shroud 'experts' come forward to dispute that point.

B) I'd thought there was one, and only one known archaeologically confirmed case of what we now call leprosy (Hansen's disease) from that time and area and it was a fairly recent find. That was a walled up burial that had never been opened to collect and rebury the bones after a year, which was the normal Jewish practice then. What the bible referred to as "leprosy" is much debated, but probably was several diseases with prominent skin involvement such as psoriasis. HD is known from biblical times in India, but not from the middle east excepting the one recent find. I wonder if this cloth was from that burial or whether they've found a second burial of HD there. HD was often a more severe disease in the middle ages than what is usually seen today and probably was also more severe in the 1st century AD. TB would have been a common disease then; it is more likely this poor soul was given a quick and permanent burial because his HD was both unfamiliar and horrific to them. I doubt this was a 'normal' burial for the time, not that Christ's was normal either...

22 posted on 12/15/2009 9:22:33 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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It’s like one guy buried in a polyester suit and another in silk. Doesn’t mean they didn’t die in the same timeframe.

But Jesus is risen. The linen was left behind for a reason.


25 posted on 12/15/2009 9:39:03 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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You know that Martha Stewart label should have been a tip off.
29 posted on 12/15/2009 10:03:12 PM PST by ditto h
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Ping.


30 posted on 12/15/2009 10:12:54 PM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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Since there have been studies done on the Turin shroud that reveal things like pollen which are from the Jerusalem area, I wonder if anyone has done the same studies on this new shroud?


31 posted on 12/15/2009 10:14:06 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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The claim that an unclean leper, buried in the hills above Jerusalem, with a motley collection of cloths, never gathered into the central ossuary of his ancestors, is somehow evidence of "normal Jewish" burial in Jerusalem, is contrary to Jewish tradition and customs... but here it is, anyway.

Obligatory Holiday anti-Shroud of Turin story PING!

If you want on or off the Shroud of Turin Ping List, Freepmail me.


33 posted on 12/15/2009 10:15:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE isAAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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Whether real or spurrious, the Shroud of Turin is absolutely fascinating, all the more so because it was Science herself which made it an issue when towards the end of the 19th Century the negative-to-positive image was discovered.

Catholics don’t worship it, they worship the Redeemer, but it is perfectly sane and natural to take interest in the “souvenir” if it is indeed authentic. To ignore it would be foolish pride. It is there before us, it exists, and it has qualities that make it impossible to explain. No one should be accused of idolatry for showing interest in it.

It is one instance in which debunking is not enough. The cloth demands an explanation. In other words, if bogus, that too needs to be figured out. Far from being a test of faith, it is a test of science. Faith remains either way, but what happens to positivistic science?


46 posted on 12/16/2009 12:04:53 AM PST by Youaskedforit
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For me I know that the shroud is real. The LORD gave me a totally unexpected glorious vision many years ago when I was looking at a picture of it in a paperback book.

I was a maid for a very wealthy young Jordanian Muslim. I had given him a copy of a paperback about the Shroud to read to see what he thought about it.

In an ordinary day, an ordinary maid became blessed by God. As I was changing his bedding the book was lying on the bed. I picked it up and looked at the picture of the image of Christ. I was looking at it very carefully to see if I could tell what Christ might look like and said to The LORD in my heart that I wish that I could see what He really looked like not expecting anything to actually happen.

In an instant The LORD transformed me to a place that I could plainly see the face of Jesus. Glorious light was streaming from his face. The light was so beautiful because it was not just light but it was also pure love. This was many years ago and I shall never forget His beautiful face and often think about how someday I shall see it again.

2Cr 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

49 posted on 12/16/2009 1:52:11 AM PST by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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The media continue the assault against Jesus, but when they or their loved ones are seriously ill, guess who they pray to.


54 posted on 12/16/2009 3:26:15 AM PST by hershey
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