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To: Steelfish

I don’t know if the Shroud of Turin is what people think it is or not, but why would finding a different style of shroud “cast doubt” on the one in Turin? Do we all dress identically today, or all use the same kind of bedding, or drapes, or anything else? Why would we expect those in the first century Roman Empire to all use the same things?


4 posted on 12/15/2009 8:40:14 PM PST by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: xjcsa
... why would finding a different style of shroud “cast doubt” on the one in Turin? Do we all dress identically today, or all use the same kind of bedding, or drapes, or anything else? Why would we expect those in the first century Roman Empire to all use the same things?

Precisely. Not everyone is buried now, and then if they are, not in the same style/type of casket. Far too many variables insofar as the material used, imho. Joseph of Arimathea (sp?) was a wealthy man, iirc, and could have provided really high-end shroud material as well as the tomb.

5 posted on 12/15/2009 8:44:02 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: xjcsa

Perhaps there was one type of shroud for commoners, and a better quality for nobles. Jesus was buried in a noble’s tomb.


6 posted on 12/15/2009 8:46:55 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: xjcsa

Indeed. Plus the volume of trade across the empire was enormous. Dried fish from the Sea of Tiberias made its way to Rome. Goods made in Britain in the second Century have been found in the Holy Land. Rome owed that to Pompey who savaged the sea pirates and made the seas safe for trade for hundreds of years. Roman highways were superior to any made in Europe until the 18th Century. Roman garrisons made them safe for merchants and travelers.


7 posted on 12/15/2009 8:49:01 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: xjcsa

BINGO =


36 posted on 12/15/2009 10:25:49 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: xjcsa
You'd have to talk to someone who knows how to spin, and how to weave, and who knows the nature of flax cultivation and the history of assembling cloth.

Really, they don't talk to those women who understand fabric from the raw textile.

When I first read about the shroud of Turin, I didn't care much for the image, but for the fabric. Because if a length of linen could last 2000 years, that was a miracle itself. That it was a ***wide*** piece of fabric was an indication against the authenticity--ancient looms were narrow. Not that it could not have been supernatural, but everyone focused on the image and I could never get the scientific details about the piece of fabric.

42 posted on 12/15/2009 10:58:31 PM PST by Mamzelle (Who is Kenneth Gladney? (Don't forget to bring your cameras))
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To: xjcsa
Do we all dress identically today, or all use the same kind of bedding, or drapes, or anything else?

Because the manufacturing process of the day is different. Today we have different material and ways we weave the material through automated methods. Before the Industrial Revolution this was not the case. Variation of material and weaving techniques were extremely limited to standard similar methods. For the most part, weaving did not differ from loom to loom. One would expect the same weaving technique to have been applied for the same type of material in those days.

51 posted on 12/16/2009 2:06:36 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: xjcsa

The shroud of Turin’s authenticity, or lack thereof, affects my faith not one whit. The shroud is not biblical. If it’s authentic, it’s a wonder. If it’s not, it’s a different kind of wonder.


59 posted on 12/16/2009 4:11:12 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: xjcsa; donna
"...why would finding a different style of shroud “cast doubt” on the one in Turin?"

As Freeper 'donna' accurately implied in post #4, this is all designed "just in time for Christmas" to take a cheap shot at Christians.

Whether you believe the Shroud of Turin is what it is purported to be or not, it still holds a certain religious reverence for some Christians.

And every Christmas season you'll find the media and other leftist Christian bashers putting out the seasonal attacks.

To them and to you all, I say - MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

139 posted on 12/19/2009 1:53:31 AM PST by airborne (HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESUS !!!!!!!!!)
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