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Soot warming 'maybe bigger than greenhouse gases' - NASA
The Register (UK) ^ | 15th December 2009 12:16 GMT | Lewis Page

Posted on 12/15/2009 9:56:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Forget Copenhagen CO2 cuts, tune your diesel properly

Researchers from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre, also the home of famous carbopocalypse doom-prophet James Hansen, have repeated earlier assertions that atmospheric soot may be as important as greenhouse gases in driving global warming.

This could be good news for humanity, as atmospheric soot levels would be much easier to reduce. Filtering soot out of exhausts from diesel engines and coal burners is simple compared to removing and sequestering CO2, and as an added benefit the effects would be rapid: soot doesn't persist in the atmosphere for long periods the way greenhouse gases do, as it is washed out by rain or snow. However, many environmental campaigners would resist the idea of soot taking centre stage, fearing that this could lead to a reduced emphasis on greenhouse-gas emissions reductions.

Himalayan glaciers feed many of the great rivers of southern Asia. Credit: NASA

Ice running off the gutters of the 'roof of the world'.

Earlier investigations including the effect of soot had focused on the Arctic, where Goddard scientists have previously suggested that "the impact of aerosols is just as strong as that of the greenhouse gases". Aerosols include soot, which tends to heat the atmosphere, plus sulphates and others which cool it. Unfortunately sulphates also cause acid rain, and clean-air regs in the US and Europe have seen them massively reduced - and the Arctic warm up.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerosols; climatechange; desperation; globalwarming; hazardofthemonth; soot
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1 posted on 12/15/2009 9:56:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Absolute horsehockeystick! Soot is an aerosol which BLOCKS sunlight and contributes to COOLING. The Climate Cretins are getting too hasty while circling the wagons.


2 posted on 12/15/2009 9:59:25 PM PST by rfp1234 (R.I.P. Scotty 7/2007-11/2009.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Plan B.


3 posted on 12/15/2009 9:59:54 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Goodness, they’re dredging up non-existent acid rain once again? These people really do believe they’re the masters of the universe.


4 posted on 12/15/2009 10:00:03 PM PST by eclecticEel (The Most High rules in the kingdom of men ... and sets over it the basest of men.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m old enough to remember the last computer-model-generated scare. In the 1970’s soot was supposed to trigger an ice-age.


5 posted on 12/15/2009 10:00:28 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Not that tuning your engine properly, whether diesel or gasoline, isn’t a good, frugal thing to do.


6 posted on 12/15/2009 10:01:26 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; IrishCatholic; Darnright; Entrepreneur; livius; DollyCali; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

7 posted on 12/15/2009 10:03:29 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: rfp1234
If I recall correctly, I've read a few times that the eruption of Mt. Pinatubo cooled the earth by about half a degree celsius. Volcanic ash is a lot like industrial soot so one would think that industrial soot would also cool the earth by blocking sunlight. That's the explanation I've read for the cooling caused by Mt Pinatubo's eruption. NASA seems to be a bit obsessed with global warming theory. GW theory may be a big source of funding and jobs at NASA.
8 posted on 12/15/2009 10:06:13 PM PST by your local physicist (He was kicked out of a meeting at the law firm of Thief Cheat Liar Scoundrel & Crook.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

ANOTHER DISASTER DU JOUR, SKY IS FALLING YADA YADA YADA....

I’M SURE AL GORE WILL BE COMING OUT WITH A NEW MOVIE ABOUT HOW AWFUL THIS IS BUT IF WE SEND HIM A FEW BILLION DOLLARS HE WILL VACUUM UP ALL THE SOOT HIMSELF.


9 posted on 12/15/2009 10:09:48 PM PST by seawolf101
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A recent scientific study by the Center for Study of the Obvious has concluded that Liberalism is the cause of Global Warming


10 posted on 12/15/2009 10:10:47 PM PST by KTM rider ( ..........tell me this really isn't happening ! !)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"However, many environmental campaigners would resist the idea of soot taking centre stage, fearing that this could lead to a reduced emphasis on greenhouse-gas emissions reductions reduction in the loot they were planning on raking in.
11 posted on 12/15/2009 10:13:11 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: rfp1234

Notice the recurring pattern of attacking carbon based energy sources. The socialists are determined to seize control of energy resources to control the population.


12 posted on 12/15/2009 10:13:34 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Because it is impossible that only four (CO2) out of 10,000 atoms/molecules in the atmosphere could cause climate change to any significant, the Global Warming Cult will have to come up with another scapegoat.


13 posted on 12/15/2009 10:15:33 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: seawolf101
Meanwhile the forces of nature apparently didn't get the memo about global warming. It's chilly in the American heartland tonight, with the temperatures in Omaha and Chicago down to single digit numbers.

US: Current Temperatures

14 posted on 12/15/2009 10:17:13 PM PST by your local physicist (He was kicked out of a meeting at the law firm of Thief Cheat Liar Scoundrel & Crook.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Man, they are desperate. Next, it will be chewing gum. Then it will be pink flowers. Then it will be some other cock-and-bull yarn about the detrimental effects of sweeping your house. They’re pathetic.


15 posted on 12/15/2009 10:18:10 PM PST by redhead (Redhead: That's me: Shovel ready, with the bullseye already on my back.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A nuclear war was supposed to throw up smoke and dust into the atmosphere which would cool the Earth, and this theoriy was called Nuclear Winter. What’s the difference?


16 posted on 12/15/2009 10:20:01 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: The_Reader_David

And don’t forget to inflate your tires properly, too!


17 posted on 12/15/2009 10:25:07 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: DennisR
Yes, the socialist bureaucrats are determined to find a reason to regulate the driving of motor vehicles by all citizens. If they can't convince the legislators that CO2 is evil then they'll try again with diesel soot, trace amounts of unburned hydrocarbons, or something else. Government regulators in the liberal Northwest are already experimenting with GPS transmitters in cars that transmit the current location and all mileage driven by individual cars. The socialist regulators are grimly determined to make sure "you will be assimilated."

(If they try to put a GPS device in my SUV I will find that device and break it with a spilled beer within 24 hours.)

18 posted on 12/15/2009 10:25:39 PM PST by your local physicist (He was kicked out of a meeting at the law firm of Thief Cheat Liar Scoundrel & Crook.)
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To: dead
That's the way I read it.

Maybe Hansen is behind this?

19 posted on 12/15/2009 10:29:51 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: FromLori; NormsRevenge; Fred Nerks; Marine_Uncle

fyi


20 posted on 12/15/2009 10:33:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I totally agree!

We have caused man-made global warming!

Not because of CO2, but because we have cleaned up the atmosphere so much, that more sunlight in penetrating to the earth!

Remember when Krakatoa erupted, and placed so much ash in the atmosphere that the earth had no summer that year?? Remember that the “scientists” have suggested that we spray sulphur dioxide in the atmosphere to combat global warming?
They all know that particulates in the air block sunlight!

Now, consider that industrialized countries no longer heat homes with coal, wood, peat; that every smokestack has a scrubber attached; that no trains or ships burn coal any longer; that all metal melting is in an electric furnace, instead of a coke spewing cupola; that so much of the electrical generation has converted from coal to natural gas, nuclear, or others; that today’s autos only spew 5% of noxious gasses versus the pre-catalytic converter autos!

We, western mankind, have made such huge strides in cleaning up the atmosphere, that more sunlight is able to hit the earth. Sunlight = warmth.

So, yes we are responsible for any warming that the earth may be experiencing - and that’s a good thing!


21 posted on 12/15/2009 10:34:04 PM PST by Noob1999
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“And don’t forget to inflate your tires properly, too!”

My calculations show that if everyone would blow up their tires with carbon dioxide, the CO2 problem would be solved.

So, I think Al should start blowing.


22 posted on 12/15/2009 10:56:46 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Oh Algore blows, alright.


23 posted on 12/15/2009 10:57:35 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I know I need to set the valves on my Cummins, and I’ll get around to it, eventually, but not because the environazis are addicted to apocalyptic fear mongering. The kooks never stop, and for now there is no one to stop them. God help us. ...Meanwhile, I love the smell of diesel in the morning. It’s one of those simple pleasures a gorewipe like Obamao will never experience.


24 posted on 12/15/2009 10:59:06 PM PST by pallis
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sounds like a newly created fallback position.

Can’t possibly give up on green[backs].


25 posted on 12/15/2009 11:01:33 PM PST by MetaThought
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I never thought of myself as a knee-jerk cynic. i pride myself in thinking things through, but...

I can't help thinking of these famous lines from C.S. Lewis:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.”

The hysterical Gobal Warmists are scrambling to find the next earth catastrophe from which they will save us, whether we wish it or not.

Using the same methods, of course; lies, duplicity, exaggeration and ----- ultimately, oppression

26 posted on 12/15/2009 11:08:22 PM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: rfp1234

They are now pissing into the wind- and don’t even realize it’s sprayign back all over them- Now, instead of the polar bear being hte posterchild for ‘global warming’ it’s now goign to be, apparently, the connecticut salt-marsh sparrow (which apparently is dwindling ‘because of warming’) (Golly, I wonder what the ‘salt-marsh sparrows did during past cyclical warming trends BEFORE the industrial revolution that were hotter than this past one?)

These freakin morons HAVE to get it through their thick skulls that the world is NEVER goign to give up the primary source of energy- NOR are we goign to be penalized by some self-righteous ‘do-gooders’ who think they can force us to hand over ourr hard earned money

I sure wish we could bring back the days of the wild west- where if someoen tried stickign their noses in other people’s busienss, they got their noses shot off


27 posted on 12/15/2009 11:12:37 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: rfp1234

I read about this a few days ago and they were referring to soot setting on the snow or ice and because soot was darker it would warm up a bit. Suppose they consider the soot will fall out more rapidly than ash. NASA was also contending that China’s uncontrolled coal fired power plants was the cause.

Don’t get me wrong, I think all these algore “warmers” are full of $hite and if any warming is happening its due to either water vapor or the sun.


28 posted on 12/15/2009 11:19:43 PM PST by dusttoyou (libs are all wee wee'd up and no place to go)
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To: your local physicist

You know what would be a funny prank? Bottle up a billion or so pounds of deisel fumes/ and/or CO2, send it over to copenhagen, and accidently hit the release valve while delivering it- Then just shrug and say ‘put it on my tab’ The looks o ntheir faces would be priceless


29 posted on 12/15/2009 11:21:47 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Stay away from my chimney exhaust, libtards.


30 posted on 12/15/2009 11:43:44 PM PST by TheThinker
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To: rfp1234

Yeah, I thought particulate matter was a factor in global cooling. Can’t these nutballs get their stories straight?


31 posted on 12/15/2009 11:48:58 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: Publius6961

Great quote from C.S. Lewis, one of my favorite people of all time!


32 posted on 12/15/2009 11:50:39 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
NASA steps in it again.

Will they ever learn?

33 posted on 12/16/2009 12:14:39 AM PST by TYVets (Let's Roll!!! The leadership of the GOP has no spine and no guts, but we conservatives do)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yes, and what exactly do you propose to keep volcanos from erupting?


34 posted on 12/16/2009 12:41:12 AM PST by mapmaker77
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We need to remove the bans on setting fire to piles of Autumn leaves.

I see a direct correlation between the imposition of the bans and global warming.

35 posted on 12/16/2009 1:23:23 AM PST by syriacus (Distances From Thomson prison TO Miss R, 1mi; Miss R locks, 6mi; Miss R. bridge, 9; USInterstate, 25)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

A huge cloud of soot rises each morning from the cooking fires of the Third World. The soot has been blamed for reducing Arctic ice.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2406080/posts


36 posted on 12/16/2009 1:39:28 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Like a drowning man clutching at straws!

Blessings and Merry Christmas

Mel


37 posted on 12/16/2009 1:54:44 AM PST by melsec (Jesus is the reason for the season!)
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To: The_Reader_David
Not that tuning your engine properly, whether diesel or gasoline, isn’t a good, frugal thing to do.

As one who reilgiouosly changed oil; set valves, points, plugs, and timing; cleaned/replaced filters; and adjusted the carb(s) every 1,000 miles on my cars way back, I agree.

However... Other than changing oil & filters every 5,000 miles; and, changing (a 3+ hour shop job) spark plugs every 75,000 miles; and making an appointment when the "Check Engine Soon" light comes on, how does one "tune" these computeriszed, electronically injected, shrouded, 'take it out to work on replace it' modern engines?

38 posted on 12/16/2009 2:25:17 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: pallis
I love passing “Greenie Weenies” in their Priuses and hypebreds with my 450 hp Duramax. I start out slow until I get my tail pipe even with the driver's door. Then, I stand on the throttle and make them disappear on a cloud of black diesel smoke. All 450 ponies love a steady diet of environmentalist overkill. And I laugh profusely at the look on their faces as some try to catch me to flip me off, but they quickly become tiny specks in my rear view mirror.
39 posted on 12/16/2009 2:44:18 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Can someone please remind me again what the ‘S’ in ‘NASA’ stands for? (”soot”?)


40 posted on 12/16/2009 3:03:05 AM PST by The Duke (Socialism is cool until somebody loses their paycheck.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Kudos!

//wild applause


41 posted on 12/16/2009 3:17:14 AM PST by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: Daffynition
Yours is white like mine!

Mine also gets over 20 mpg at 75 mph. And there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING like the feel of over 1000 foot pounds of that massive and steady Diesel torque!

42 posted on 12/16/2009 3:26:05 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Shame on NASA.


43 posted on 12/16/2009 4:45:10 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

The color of the smoke or the color of the truck? LOL


44 posted on 12/16/2009 4:50:55 AM PST by Daffynition (What's all this about hellfire and Dalmatians?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

OK, I’m assuming that’s not a “stock” diesel. What kind of mods have you made?


45 posted on 12/16/2009 4:54:35 AM PST by laker_dad
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Oh please. NASA looking for another crack to exploit. Why the F&*k is NASA even playing climate. They cannot even deliver a new launch vehicle.
46 posted on 12/16/2009 4:56:57 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (usff.com)
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To: laker_dad
A chip programmer will boost HP by as much a 50% on these super powerful machines. The additional 5” exhaust stack will also let the engine breathe better, but very little expense is needed to make them howl like a banshee. Performance is built into them. In fact, the factory puts rev limiters and detunes them to hold them to a mere 325 HP. They are capable of much more than that by simply changing the computer program.
47 posted on 12/16/2009 5:00:35 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I have a 2001 Excursion with the 7.3 Powerstroke and an older (2002) Superchips microtuner, but I can’t get near the 450 hp mark. But then again, with 212K miles on her, I don’t want to kill the transmission :)

Smoke em if ya got em....


48 posted on 12/16/2009 5:12:51 AM PST by laker_dad
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To: laker_dad

The Alison has no problem what so ever of dropping that HP to the ground.


49 posted on 12/16/2009 5:14:51 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: rfp1234

What the soot, carbon black, does in the air is not clear. Studies are still somewhat scattered in results since it also serves as a cloud progenitor. However, there is definite cause to believe that it increases albedo of the earth, making it slightly darker, when it comes back to the ground.

Only a 1% increase in the albedo of earth by whatever means easily accounts for all warming of the 20th Century.

I wouldn’t fight less soot-producing technologies, since it is a definite sign of incomplete combustion, and wasted energy. I want to see all of it become CO2 (fertilizer) in the atmosphere instead.


50 posted on 12/16/2009 7:15:21 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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