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Official: KGB chief ordered Hitler's remains destroyed
CNN.com ^ | 12/11/09 | Maxim Tkachenko

Posted on 12/16/2009 10:37:37 AM PST by Reaganesque

Moscow, Russia (CNN) -- The remains of Adolf Hitler were burned in 1970 by Soviet KGB agents and thrown into a river in Germany on direct orders from the spy agency's chief, a top Russian security official said this week.

The head archivist of Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) -- the successor to the former Soviet Union's KGB -- confirmed for the first time the chain of events that led to the disposal of Hitler's body, and who ordered the operation, in an exclusive interview with Russia's Interfax news agency.

Gen. Vasily Khristoforov told Interfax in an interview published Monday that previously secret documents show that KGB chief Yuri Andropov, with prior consent from the Soviet Communist Party leadership, ordered a top secret operation to destroy the remains of Hitler, his wife Eva Braun, Nazi Germany's propaganda chief, Joseph Goebbels; and Goebbels' entire family.

Khristoforov said according to the documents, Andropov's decision to destroy the remains of the Nazi leaders and their family members was motivated by the fears of the KGB and Soviet Communist Party leadership that Hitler's burial site could become a place of worship for supporters of fascist ideas.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: body; hitler; kgb; russia
Interesting stuff.
1 posted on 12/16/2009 10:37:38 AM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Reaganesque

What remained to be burned? I thought Hitler himself ordered his corpse to be thoroughly burned before he committed suicide.


2 posted on 12/16/2009 10:39:38 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Welcome2thejungle

You would think that he would have preferred to have been burned after he committed suicide.


3 posted on 12/16/2009 10:43:08 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Welcome2thejungle

There were skull parts, some teeth and maybe some other bone fragments. This was on the History Channel a couple of weeks ago. The guys who actually did it fessed up awhile ago. Guess this is just the top brass confirming.


4 posted on 12/16/2009 10:44:39 AM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Welcome2thejungle

Apparently not.


5 posted on 12/16/2009 10:44:42 AM PST by Reaganesque ("And thou shalt do it with all humility, trusting in me, reviling not against revilers.")
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To: Reaganesque

Yah right. Everyone knows that Hitlers brain is being kept in a fishtank in Argentina waiting to be inserted into a body ala Frankenstein.


6 posted on 12/16/2009 10:46:49 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: atomic_dog

Rumor is that the remains were not Hitler’s. They belonged to someone else. Hitler’s remains were burned, buried and lost.


7 posted on 12/16/2009 10:47:52 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Reaganesque

Geeeze, what a waste of good DNA...It COULD have been cloned! /sarc


8 posted on 12/16/2009 10:48:29 AM PST by meandog (OWEbummercare means die quickly!)
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To: AppyPappy

Actually, my Masonic Lodge has Hitler’s skull. We use it to drink out of during initiations.


9 posted on 12/16/2009 10:49:20 AM PST by CholeraJoe (I'll try to be nicer, if you'll try to be smarter.)
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To: HerrBlucher

“Yah right. Everyone knows that Hitlers brain is being kept in a fishtank in Argentina waiting to be inserted into a body ala Frankenstein....”

Is that the brain that odongo is now using???? It would explain alot!!!!!


10 posted on 12/16/2009 10:50:15 AM PST by lgjhn23
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To: Reaganesque
Why...would DNA evidence prove that he was a Russian communist?

...just saying...seems rather strange.

11 posted on 12/16/2009 10:50:24 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......?)
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To: CholeraJoe

That’s nothing. My Kiwanis Club has TWO of them.


12 posted on 12/16/2009 10:50:33 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Reaganesque
CNN should have done some research before they wrote this story. There was a show on the History Channel about a year ago on this topic. They reported a totally different story. DNA testing was done on the skull fragment. It was not the skull of Hitler, reportedly it belonged to a woman.
13 posted on 12/16/2009 10:50:45 AM PST by pietraynor (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Reaganesque

Should have put them RIGHT NEXT TO LENIN!!

Let GOD sort them OUT!


14 posted on 12/16/2009 10:52:37 AM PST by noah (noah)
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To: atomic_dog

I think I caught that. They also went down into the Bunker. There is now a parking lot over it. Very interesting.


15 posted on 12/16/2009 10:54:10 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Mr. Lucky

We probably ought to count our blessings that the Reds got him (or, at least what was left of him) in ‘45. If the U.S. had captured him in Afghanistan in ‘02...well, the chances are he’d end his days eating three squares a day, lifting weights, and watching tv in a comfy cell in Illinois.


16 posted on 12/16/2009 10:54:14 AM PST by Clioman (wHAT)
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To: Mr. Lucky

We probably ought to count our blessings that the Reds got him (or, at least what was left of him) in ‘45. If the U.S. had captured him in Afghanistan in ‘02...well, the chances are he’d end his days eating three squares a day, lifting weights, and watching tv in a comfy cell in Illinois.


17 posted on 12/16/2009 10:54:24 AM PST by Clioman (wHAT)
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To: Clioman

I heard he would do just about ANYTHING for cigarettes, so it is good they got him back then.


18 posted on 12/16/2009 11:02:34 AM PST by Vermont Lt (My wife reads my posts. In case the FBI shows up, we will have cookies.)
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To: lgjhn23

Al Franken has Hitlers brain? ;-)


19 posted on 12/16/2009 11:03:50 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
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To: atomic_dog

They tested the skull bone fragments and found they were female. They also had swabs of blood they took from wood that was supposed to be from furniture in the bunker room where Hitler committed suicide. That was found to be from a male. The program said they tried to contact descendants of Eva Braun’s sister, in order to get DNA samples, but that they didn’t respond.


20 posted on 12/16/2009 11:07:01 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: lgjhn23

Maybe. But the Odumbo gang had to get past the Chupacabras and a quantum proto-neutron force field to get to it. Hmmmm, residual electro-magnetic waves from the brain may have caused the failed Russian missile launch when Odumbo went to Fraudenhangen. In any case, were screwed.


21 posted on 12/16/2009 11:12:25 AM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: HerrBlucher; meandog
Yah right. Everyone knows that Hitlers brain is being kept in a fishtank in Argentina waiting to be inserted into a body ala Frankenstein.

You're close.
:-)

Actually, I have it on good authority that Hitler is running a 7-11 in Argentina with Elvis as his clerk.

22 posted on 12/16/2009 11:21:23 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Reaganesque

I like the version that Hitler’s remains were taken to Moscow, then later burned and flushed down the toilet.


23 posted on 12/16/2009 11:23:25 AM PST by wildandcrazyrussian
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To: Reaganesque

“They lose me right after the bunker scene.”


24 posted on 12/16/2009 11:23:41 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Reaganesque

I read an “alternative account” of this awhile back in the publication of the submarine enthusiast group Sharkhunters. The account was from a Spanish Nazi who spied for Hitler in Spain for most of the war, but spent the last year of the war in that same bunker complex that contained Hitler. He claims that Hitler had a double who stayed to die in the bunker. He claims that Hitler and Eva were both drugged to get them out of the bunker but they overdosed Eva and she died. He says they got Hitler to a boat on the North Sea. He claims that he was later allowed to meet with a man he believed to be Hitler somewhere around Tierra del Fuego 10 or 15 years after the war.
Altho I do not vouch for the accuracy of any of this, it does suggest another motive for destroying the body. If it was not actually Hitler, it would be very embarassing for the Soviets if it were proven that Hitler escaped their grasp when they were supposed to have Berlin surrounded.


25 posted on 12/16/2009 11:25:45 AM PST by JG52blackman
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To: Clioman

Unless, of course, some poor hapless Navy Seals would have punched him during his capture; in which case they would be in prison with (or maybe instead of) him.


26 posted on 12/16/2009 11:25:53 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: JG52blackman

“Altho I do not vouch for the accuracy of any of this, it does suggest another motive for destroying the body. If it was not actually Hitler, it would be very embarassing for the Soviets if it were proven that Hitler escaped their grasp when they were supposed to have Berlin surrounded.”

How would the body parts prove he “escaped their grasp” either way? Assuming first that they’d let anyone test them, even if they were proved not to be Hitler’s, it wouldn’t mean Hitler survived. It would only mean that the Soviets never found his remains. Only proof of Hitler existing somewhere else, for instance Argentina, after the war would be proof that he had “escaped”.


27 posted on 12/16/2009 11:43:09 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: JG52blackman

“How would the body parts prove he ‘escaped their grasp’ either way?”

Sorry, didn’t mean to put it that way. Obviously, if the body parts were Hitler’s it would prove he didn’t get away.


28 posted on 12/16/2009 11:44:41 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Welcome2thejungle

*What remained to be burned? I thought Hitler himself ordered his corpse to be thoroughly burned before he committed suicide.*

Thorough cremation was not possible under the circumstances—for instance, look at how Goebbels corpse was easily recognizable.

Regardless, this is not news—as many on the thread have already indicated, it was on a History Channel feature several years ago. CNN must really be going down the tubes.


29 posted on 12/16/2009 12:02:33 PM PST by j-damn
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To: j-damn

That is because Herr and Frau Hitler used up most of the gasoline leaving little left for Herr and Frau Goebbels.


30 posted on 12/16/2009 12:11:28 PM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: Reaganesque

wow; decades of speculation answered


31 posted on 12/16/2009 12:41:26 PM PST by rightbrained
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To: Tublecane

yes, this is true, but the next question is how CAN we know if the body parts the Soviets still have are Hitler’s? Do we have other Hitler DNA to compare them to? The jawbone can be compared with dental x-rays assuming those still exist. But if there was a double, the existing dental x-rays may have been replaced (by the Nazis, before the “getaway”) with those of the double. The same source I referred to in my previous post also claimed to have ridden a U-boat to Argentina with Martin Borman a year or two after the war was over. He claimed the U-boat was scuttled off the coast of Argentina near where he was dropped off. A scuttled U-boat has been found in this location. A skeleton was found in Berlin around 1970 and dental records were used to “confirm” it was Borman. But why couldn’t Borman have replaced his dental records with those of a selected dead body before he made HIS escape then buried the body in Berlin? Maybe there are answers to these questions, but the fact the Soviets had control of the place for so long means they will be alot harder to find.


32 posted on 12/17/2009 7:01:09 AM PST by JG52blackman
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