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Copenhagen climate conference: sunspot theory for global warming attacked
www.telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12-14-2009 | By John Bingham

Posted on 12/16/2009 11:33:33 AM PST by Red Badger

The theory that signs of global warming could be the result of sunspots rather than carbon dioxide emissions caused by humans has come under attack from climate scientists.

Sceptics about man-made climate change frequently cite research apparently linking natural variations in solar activity with fluctuations in temperatures on Earth.

The alternative explanation was the centrepiece of The Great Global Warming Swindle, a 2007 Channel 4 documentary which provoked fierce argument.

It is based on the work of Prof Eigil Friis-Christensen and Henrik Svensmark of the of the Danish National Space Centre, who both published studies in the 1990s appearing to show a remarkable link between solar activity and variations in the climate.

But a group of scientists now says that the research was flawed and that when "flaws" in the analysis are removed the apparent correlation disappears.

It follows work by Peter Laut, a former adviser to the Danish Energy Agency, who pinpointed what he said were flaws in the research.

André Berger, honorary president of the European Geosciences Union, told The Independent: "Their controversial papers must be retracted or at least that there will be an official statement by them acknowledging their mistake."

Prof Stefan Rahmstorf, of Potsdam University, added: "I've looked into this quite closely and I'm on Laut's side in terms of his analysis of the data."

But Prof Friis-Christensen told the newspaper that Mr Laut's critique represented "character assassination" and denied that the original work contained flaws.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: copenhagen; fraud; globullwarming; sunspot; sunspots

1 posted on 12/16/2009 11:33:34 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Well, at least he was given access to the raw data (unlike all of the AGW studies)!


2 posted on 12/16/2009 11:37:27 AM PST by catman67
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To: Red Badger

“Their controversial papers must be retracted or at least that there will be an official statement by them acknowledging their mistake.”

It happened to Gallileo, too. Perhaps Al Gord will permit the erring scientist to live under house arrest for the remainder of his days.


3 posted on 12/16/2009 11:39:13 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Red Badger
LIARS LOVE TO LIE... ANYONE EMBRACING GW IS EMBRACING A 100% TOTAL LIE!

LLS

4 posted on 12/16/2009 11:40:30 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Red Badger

So the AGW crowd says that sunspots, or solar activity, cannot be the cause of global warming. Huh...I wonder what man did 70,000 years ago to start MELTING THE MILE THICK SHEET OF ICE THAT COVERED WHERE I’M SITTING RIGHT NOW!!!

Just askin, ya know....


5 posted on 12/16/2009 11:40:55 AM PST by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: Red Badger
This planet gets all it’s energy from the sun. To think the sun has a miniscule roll in the earth’s temperature is insain.
6 posted on 12/16/2009 11:42:17 AM PST by ryan71 (TERM LIMITS)
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To: henkster

Perhaps they can explain why other planets in the solar system are experiencing “global warming” as well?


7 posted on 12/16/2009 11:46:18 AM PST by Little Ray (Cheney / Norris in 2012!)
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To: henkster

It was mastodon farts, obviously..................


8 posted on 12/16/2009 11:47:16 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: Red Badger
The theory that signs of global warming could be the result of sunspots rather than carbon dioxide emissions caused by humans has come under attack from climate scientists grant whores.

Fixed.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

9 posted on 12/16/2009 11:47:32 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Red Badger

10 posted on 12/16/2009 11:58:08 AM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: newfreep

11 posted on 12/16/2009 12:01:04 PM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Red Badger; IrishCatholic; Darnright; Entrepreneur; livius; DollyCali; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

12 posted on 12/16/2009 12:05:23 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: Red Badger
The theory that signs of global warming could be the result of sunspots rather than carbon dioxide emissions caused by humans has come under attack from climate scientists.

And just when we were hoping that the lack of sunspots and the cooler weather would continue to demonstrate a lack of correlation between CO2 and global warming, the sunspots return. If temperatures rise in response, the "climate scientists" pushing the scam will trumpet the rise as proof of continued global warming and ignore the correlation between sun activity and earth climate.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2408841/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2408926/posts

13 posted on 12/16/2009 12:10:01 PM PST by CedarDave (FOX news:"Fair and balanced (no matter what the White House says) . We report because others won't.")
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To: Red Badger

This is crap. I’m sick of these people acting as though they’re the only people capable of determining a “flaw.”

If there’s a mistake LETS SEE IT. If I can’t follow the algorithm, I’ll find someone who can.

It’s ridiculous to have a dispute based on two peoples opinion of what should be an objective fact.


14 posted on 12/16/2009 12:10:48 PM PST by crescen7 (game on)
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To: crescen7; CedarDave; steelyourfaith

There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see................


15 posted on 12/16/2009 12:14:38 PM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yes, GW is a Total Lie. But All Commies Lie.

This is worse than that. All Congressmen who voted for Cap & Trade are either Traitors or Simply Too Stupid to Hold Public Office.

Either Way, They MUST be removed from office.

If you are not sure about how your Congress Critter Voted, Here is the List:

Updated Congressional Score Card>

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2406579/posts


16 posted on 12/16/2009 12:20:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.)
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To: ryan71
Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the "Greenhouse
Effect," expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)
Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics  % of Greenhouse Effect

% Natural

% Man-made
 Water vapor 95.000% 

 94.999%

0.001% 
 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618% 

 3.502%

0.117% 
 Methane (CH4) 0.360% 

 0.294%

0.066% 
 Nitrous Oxide (N2O) 0.950% 

 0.903%

0.047% 
 Misc. gases ( CFC's, etc.) 0.072% 

 0.025%

0.047% 
 Total 100.00% 

 99.72

0.28% 

17 posted on 12/16/2009 12:25:01 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: The Comedian

OK, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m going to step out on a limb here and call them all a bunch of dumbasses.

Sun spots don’t “cause” anything. They are the RESULT of increased solar activity,

AS IS TEMPERATURE INCREASE on all the planets.


18 posted on 12/16/2009 12:26:33 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Amen!

LLS


19 posted on 12/16/2009 12:30:38 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: newfreep

Your graph is outstanding shows exact correslattion of Sunspots and Earth Temps. Of Course since it doesn’t have Al Gores blessing.....


20 posted on 12/16/2009 12:47:46 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Red Badger

It’s amusing that they think they can just declare research to be flawed, but *still* not show their data that proves *how* it is allegedly flawed.

That is like a Muslim declaring that he has “proof” that Christianity is a lie, then when asked what this “proof” is, he says that it says so in the Koran, and because the Koran is flawless, this proves it.


21 posted on 12/16/2009 1:41:46 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Red Badger

Primary Flaw 1. It is not the fault of humans, so can not be used to gain world economic control.

Primary Flaw 2. No matter what they may profess, Gaeans and pagan sun worshippers KNOW that praying to their ‘gods’ will not affect solar activity.


22 posted on 12/16/2009 4:54:50 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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