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China tells U.S.: No deal
Politico.com ^ | 12/17/09 | Glenn Thrush

Posted on 12/17/2009 7:21:58 AM PST by OldDeckHand

COPENHAGEN — China’s climate negotiators have told Western counterparts they can’t agree to an “operational agreement” on climate change that President Barack Obama had hoped to bring home from Copenhagen –- and will push for a short, noncommittal collective statement at the end of the talks, according to American staffers briefed on the situation.

It’s not clear if remarks by Chinese officials, made during negotiating sessions on Wednesday night, signal the end of efforts to reach a significant agreement or simply represent an 11th hour bargaining tactic less than a day before Obama was due to arrive in Copenhagen.

But U.S. officials fear it's the former, with little time left to negotiate a real deal before COP 15’s conclusion Friday.

Lead U.S. negotiator Todd Stern told POLITICO late Wednesday that his staff had not engaged in one-on-one “bilats” with China for a whole day – and hadn’t even addressed a major issue, a proposed “border tax” on countries that flouted international accords. That provision was included in the cap-and-trade measure the House passed in July – and no bill omitting it is likely to pass the Senate.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: algore; beijing; carbontax; china; chinese; climatechange; climategate; copenhagen; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal
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Something's wrong when I find myself rooting for Chinese interests, over the stated goal of the US administration.
1 posted on 12/17/2009 7:21:58 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

God works in mysterious ways.


2 posted on 12/17/2009 7:24:30 AM PST by bsf2009
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To: OldDeckHand

Obama

EPIC FAIL


3 posted on 12/17/2009 7:24:58 AM PST by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: OldDeckHand
Go China !
They just saved us $100 million !
4 posted on 12/17/2009 7:25:04 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: bsf2009

Yeah me too. Russia and China are exposing the fraud at the UN Climate Summit. Amazing I trust them more than our Government and so called allies.


5 posted on 12/17/2009 7:26:11 AM PST by scooby321
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To: OldDeckHand

I’d trust the Chinese leadership over the Loon anyday.

In any case, they know they’re dealing with an ill-prepared, limp wrist-ed idiot with absolutely no expertise in anything useful.

The Loon brings kleenex to a gunfight.


6 posted on 12/17/2009 7:27:04 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Or... we just saved them from floating another 100million dollar loan to us! LOL


7 posted on 12/17/2009 7:27:11 AM PST by nagdt ("speak the truth but leave immediately afterward")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“100 Million”. That should read 100 “BILLION”


8 posted on 12/17/2009 7:28:47 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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To: OldDeckHand

I never thought that in this lifetime I’d raise a glass to China for their actions.

In essense, China told Obama and his “climate change” to go pound sand. I agree.


9 posted on 12/17/2009 7:29:12 AM PST by This Just In
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To: OldDeckHand

Shai Shai Nei Chicoms - I guess you too have had enough of socialism and would like to see your children enjoy their futures rather than pay for the glutoney of their parents.


10 posted on 12/17/2009 7:29:17 AM PST by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: nagdt

Hopefully it will “save” us $200 billion per year for 10 years, or $1 Trillion.... that the clinTon was offering.


11 posted on 12/17/2009 7:29:18 AM PST by C210N (A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"They just saved us $100 million ! "

A $100 million, or a $100 billion, or more?

12 posted on 12/17/2009 7:29:37 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand; All

For the first time in my adult life, I am “proud” of the People’s Republic of China.

In other words, I don’t care which pirates end up scuttling the ship, it needs to be sunk.


13 posted on 12/17/2009 7:30:12 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is a trojan horse designed to infiltrate and bring down Western civilization.)
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To: AbeKrieger

If Obama can’t take us out with healthcare and climategate
he’ll try something else just as bad or worse
join oathkeepers.org


14 posted on 12/17/2009 7:34:58 AM PST by manonCANAL
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To: OldDeckHand

Absolutely. The goals of this administration are to weaken the country, economically, militarily, and culturally. Signing on to a massive scam involving $100 billion of taxpayer money to be redistributed on a global scale to the world’s Marxists and thugs is something we should all be rooting against. Kudos to the Chinese for seeing this sham for what it is.


15 posted on 12/17/2009 7:35:58 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: OldDeckHand
A $100 million, or a $100 billion, or more?

Why does it matter? We'll just print it, stick it in an envelope, and mail it out to the warlords for distribution among their favored. But we'll feel good about it as our guilt washes away. Until the next third-world shakedown or liberal Madoff scam.

16 posted on 12/17/2009 7:36:03 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is a trojan horse designed to infiltrate and bring down Western civilization.)
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To: OldDeckHand

FREAKIN RIGHT ON!

GO CHINA!


17 posted on 12/17/2009 7:36:14 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

You mean Trillion.


18 posted on 12/17/2009 7:36:35 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: OldDeckHand

It’s Chinas’ policy to SELL arms to the dirt-eaters; not give them to them. DUH!


19 posted on 12/17/2009 7:38:59 AM PST by catchem (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: scooby321

It is distressing for me to find myself rooting for Russia and China here—and more and more often generally.

While we’ve only 14 weeks until spring, we’ve got 160 weeks until the Palin administration.


20 posted on 12/17/2009 7:39:11 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: bsf2009

Are the Russian thugs and the Chi-coms global warming deniers???

Do they not believe in the teachings of the great MANBEARPIG???


21 posted on 12/17/2009 7:41:06 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: OldDeckHand

Good.

The Chinese wanted money for “pollution control” but no checking that they did any of it.

Besides that it’s all nonsense.


22 posted on 12/17/2009 7:41:44 AM PST by Williams (It's the policies, stupid)
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To: Danae
Jeez, did you ever think you would live in an Alice in Wonderland world where Russia and China were the forces of economic sanity which quashed socialist nonsense sponsored by the US?
23 posted on 12/17/2009 7:42:00 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: OldDeckHand

When Obama flopped in China last trip and tried to do a “TEAR DOWN THAT FIREWALL” and pull a Reagan to save himself; China also DETAILED and PREACHED to him how we are spending trillions of dollars on foolish things.

So Obama got beotch slapped down again...a communist country telling him he was too radical left...

Are we living in a twilight zome?


24 posted on 12/17/2009 7:42:25 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: OldDeckHand

“Something’s wrong when I find myself rooting for Chinese interests, over the stated goal of the US administration. “

And Russia helping to prove the global warming hoax......

Beam me up, Scotty!


25 posted on 12/17/2009 7:42:50 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

“Are we living in a twilight zome?”

Se post 25 ;-)

Hey Rod, is that you??


26 posted on 12/17/2009 7:44:11 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: OldDeckHand

It’s how the Chinese negotiate: “Give us everything we ask for or you go home with nothing. We don’t need a treaty to look good, but you do.”


27 posted on 12/17/2009 7:45:39 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I’m sure the Chicoms want all that money we borrowed from them back.. otherwise I can imagine them going along with this garbage if only to help us further down the fools path. The left wants carbon credits to become a commodity like oil.


28 posted on 12/17/2009 7:48:09 AM PST by Track9 (The Levin surge is on.)
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To: scooby321

It’s pretty scary when the chicoms are more capitalistic than the US.
When Johnson was president, my grandfather made the prediction that the US would become more socialistic and the commies would become more capitalistic to the point where you coundn’t tell the difference. Made that prediction in the ‘60’s.


29 posted on 12/17/2009 7:49:15 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: OldDeckHand

They realize that any money we pay out now to “developing countries” when it all boils down will come out of their checkbook.

Why loan us money so we can just give the stuff away?? If I were China I’d be kind of pissed at Obama and Clinton’s arrogance too.


30 posted on 12/17/2009 7:50:24 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: OldDeckHand

Go Commies!


31 posted on 12/17/2009 7:50:24 AM PST by Heliand
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To: BP2

Wouldn’t you think hussein would avoid Copenhagen at all costs? If any one location represented his personal Waterloo, Copenhagen would have to be it.

Oh, I forgot ... the man is hubris personified.


32 posted on 12/17/2009 7:52:01 AM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Hillary gave her ‘word’ at the conference a little while ago that we would contribute to the $100 BILLION per YEAR for the next 10 years (that’s a trillion dollars for you inner city children)to the redistribution fund..meanwhile the uncivilized mammals in Africa are still saying it’s not enough....if this goes through..I’ll fire the first shot in the war if no one else does..

Guess they’re comin to get me now...


33 posted on 12/17/2009 7:52:54 AM PST by AtlasThugged316 (Who is Edmund Ruffin?)
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To: OldDeckHand

So it is the ChiComs that are saving the world economy?


34 posted on 12/17/2009 7:56:16 AM PST by Reaganez
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To: OldDeckHand
Bacrock should have realized that China will act in its own best interest. China also owns most of our debt thanks to Congress, Bush, and Obama. That means they have a lot of leverage until it is paid down.

If Bush was the chimp, what does that make Bacrock since he's stupider than Bush on his worst day? A Goat.

35 posted on 12/17/2009 7:56:18 AM PST by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
"Do they not believe in the teachings of the great MANBEARPIG???"

only if they can see a profit from it

36 posted on 12/17/2009 7:56:22 AM PST by bsf2009
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To: OldDeckHand
Something's wrong when I find myself rooting for Chinese interests, over the stated goal of the US administration.

It seems the Chinese are firmly rooted in reality. They make no bones about their tyranny (of which I have huge problems with), but they do not deny what's real.

37 posted on 12/17/2009 7:57:25 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Let's Roll

Speaking of Copenhagen, tomorrow’s high is expected to be 29 degrees, with snow all day. The average high for this time of year is 39 degrees.


38 posted on 12/17/2009 8:01:49 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: OldDeckHand

As always it’s purely self-interest for the Chinese.

For one thing, they have so much money invested in the USA that they don’t want to see its economy ruined by lunatic climate policies. They are doing us a favor, but only incidentally.


39 posted on 12/17/2009 8:02:37 AM PST by denydenydeny (The Left sees taxpayers the way Dr Frankenstein saw the local cemetery; raw material for experiments)
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To: OldDeckHand
Obama officially declared pivot man in this “mess.”
40 posted on 12/17/2009 8:03:49 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I wish our leaders had the balls to tell the climate whores to stuff it.


41 posted on 12/17/2009 8:04:37 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Socialism is hip until somebody loses a paycheck)
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To: denydenydeny
They are doing us a favor, but only incidentally.

This is true. Even China didn't see someone as far left as zer0 being inflicted on the USA. They're probably just as upset as we are (well, almost.)

42 posted on 12/17/2009 8:04:47 AM PST by paulycy (Demand Constitutionality.)
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To: OldDeckHand

No kidding. Good for the chicoms.


43 posted on 12/17/2009 8:04:53 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Reaganez

Those Communists have had enough experience to realize Socialism needs a Capitalist economy to support the citizen slaves. The Idiots in the Democrat Party think Socialism failed only because THEY were not in charge. Hence Dunn’s Mao and Mother Teresa comments.


44 posted on 12/17/2009 8:06:47 AM PST by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: OldDeckHand

Very interesting that the Chinese apparently felt bound to follow any treaty reached at this farcical aquatic display. I fully expected China to agree to anything to get the USA to dismantle what little industry we have left, and then thumb their noses at the world and simply not comply with the treaty.

In any event, this whole thing was a non-starter for them. They never had any intent to reduce their “carbon footprints.” They know it’s all a hoax.


45 posted on 12/17/2009 8:07:15 AM PST by henkster (0bamanomics: The "Final Solution" to America's "Prosperity Question.")
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To: OldDeckHand

Obama needs to get his ass to Copenhagen and start bowing down to people before the US starts losing credibility!


46 posted on 12/17/2009 8:07:58 AM PST by earlJam
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To: Darren McCarty

Goats are pretty damn smart!


47 posted on 12/17/2009 8:08:29 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: OldDeckHand
Clinton says lack of China CO2 transparency 'dealbreaker'

COPENHAGEN: Failure to reach agreement with China over greenhouse gas emissions transparency could be a dealbreaker for the United States at UN climate talks, secretary of state Hillary Clinton said on Thursday.

"It would be hard to imagine, speaking for the United States, that there could be the legal or financial commitment that I've just announced in the absence of transparency from the second biggest emitter, and now the I guess the first biggest," Clinton told a news conference after announcing the US would join in $100 billion a year financing to help poor nations tackle climate change.

"There has to be a willingness to move toward transparency in whatever forum we finally determine is appropriate. So if there is not even a commitment to pursue transparency that's kind of a dealbreak for us."

China has overtaken the United States as the world's top emitter. It has rejected calls to allow international checks of its emissions under new targets.

48 posted on 12/17/2009 8:08:55 AM PST by Schnucki
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m thanking G-d for Russians and Chinese?

Man what a topsy-turvy world 0bummerVille is.


49 posted on 12/17/2009 8:10:29 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (If you need a < / sarc> tag, you're not paying attention.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Don’t worry, Obama will save the day like he did with the IOC agreement for Chicago. Oh wait...


50 posted on 12/17/2009 8:12:16 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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