Skip to comments.China tells U.S.: No deal
Posted on 12/17/2009 7:21:58 AM PST by OldDeckHand
COPENHAGEN Chinas climate negotiators have told Western counterparts they cant agree to an operational agreement on climate change that President Barack Obama had hoped to bring home from Copenhagen - and will push for a short, noncommittal collective statement at the end of the talks, according to American staffers briefed on the situation.
Its not clear if remarks by Chinese officials, made during negotiating sessions on Wednesday night, signal the end of efforts to reach a significant agreement or simply represent an 11th hour bargaining tactic less than a day before Obama was due to arrive in Copenhagen.
But U.S. officials fear it's the former, with little time left to negotiate a real deal before COP 15s conclusion Friday.
Lead U.S. negotiator Todd Stern told POLITICO late Wednesday that his staff had not engaged in one-on-one bilats with China for a whole day and hadnt even addressed a major issue, a proposed border tax on countries that flouted international accords. That provision was included in the cap-and-trade measure the House passed in July and no bill omitting it is likely to pass the Senate.
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God works in mysterious ways.
Yeah me too. Russia and China are exposing the fraud at the UN Climate Summit. Amazing I trust them more than our Government and so called allies.
I’d trust the Chinese leadership over the Loon anyday.
In any case, they know they’re dealing with an ill-prepared, limp wrist-ed idiot with absolutely no expertise in anything useful.
The Loon brings kleenex to a gunfight.
Or... we just saved them from floating another 100million dollar loan to us! LOL
“100 Million”. That should read 100 “BILLION”
I never thought that in this lifetime I’d raise a glass to China for their actions.
In essense, China told Obama and his “climate change” to go pound sand. I agree.
Shai Shai Nei Chicoms - I guess you too have had enough of socialism and would like to see your children enjoy their futures rather than pay for the glutoney of their parents.
Hopefully it will “save” us $200 billion per year for 10 years, or $1 Trillion.... that the clinTon was offering.
A $100 million, or a $100 billion, or more?
For the first time in my adult life, I am “proud” of the People’s Republic of China.
In other words, I don’t care which pirates end up scuttling the ship, it needs to be sunk.
If Obama can’t take us out with healthcare and climategate
he’ll try something else just as bad or worse
Absolutely. The goals of this administration are to weaken the country, economically, militarily, and culturally. Signing on to a massive scam involving $100 billion of taxpayer money to be redistributed on a global scale to the world’s Marxists and thugs is something we should all be rooting against. Kudos to the Chinese for seeing this sham for what it is.
Why does it matter? We'll just print it, stick it in an envelope, and mail it out to the warlords for distribution among their favored. But we'll feel good about it as our guilt washes away. Until the next third-world shakedown or liberal Madoff scam.
FREAKIN RIGHT ON!
You mean Trillion.
It’s Chinas’ policy to SELL arms to the dirt-eaters; not give them to them. DUH!
It is distressing for me to find myself rooting for Russia and China here—and more and more often generally.
While we’ve only 14 weeks until spring, we’ve got 160 weeks until the Palin administration.
Are the Russian thugs and the Chi-coms global warming deniers???
Do they not believe in the teachings of the great MANBEARPIG???
The Chinese wanted money for “pollution control” but no checking that they did any of it.
Besides that it’s all nonsense.
When Obama flopped in China last trip and tried to do a “TEAR DOWN THAT FIREWALL” and pull a Reagan to save himself; China also DETAILED and PREACHED to him how we are spending trillions of dollars on foolish things.
So Obama got beotch slapped down again...a communist country telling him he was too radical left...
Are we living in a twilight zome?
“Something’s wrong when I find myself rooting for Chinese interests, over the stated goal of the US administration. “
And Russia helping to prove the global warming hoax......
Beam me up, Scotty!
“Are we living in a twilight zome?”
Se post 25 ;-)
Hey Rod, is that you??
It’s how the Chinese negotiate: “Give us everything we ask for or you go home with nothing. We don’t need a treaty to look good, but you do.”
I’m sure the Chicoms want all that money we borrowed from them back.. otherwise I can imagine them going along with this garbage if only to help us further down the fools path. The left wants carbon credits to become a commodity like oil.
It’s pretty scary when the chicoms are more capitalistic than the US.
When Johnson was president, my grandfather made the prediction that the US would become more socialistic and the commies would become more capitalistic to the point where you coundn’t tell the difference. Made that prediction in the ‘60’s.
They realize that any money we pay out now to “developing countries” when it all boils down will come out of their checkbook.
Why loan us money so we can just give the stuff away?? If I were China I’d be kind of pissed at Obama and Clinton’s arrogance too.
Wouldn’t you think hussein would avoid Copenhagen at all costs? If any one location represented his personal Waterloo, Copenhagen would have to be it.
Oh, I forgot ... the man is hubris personified.
Hillary gave her ‘word’ at the conference a little while ago that we would contribute to the $100 BILLION per YEAR for the next 10 years (that’s a trillion dollars for you inner city children)to the redistribution fund..meanwhile the uncivilized mammals in Africa are still saying it’s not enough....if this goes through..I’ll fire the first shot in the war if no one else does..
Guess they’re comin to get me now...
So it is the ChiComs that are saving the world economy?
If Bush was the chimp, what does that make Bacrock since he's stupider than Bush on his worst day? A Goat.
only if they can see a profit from it
It seems the Chinese are firmly rooted in reality. They make no bones about their tyranny (of which I have huge problems with), but they do not deny what's real.
Speaking of Copenhagen, tomorrow’s high is expected to be 29 degrees, with snow all day. The average high for this time of year is 39 degrees.
As always it’s purely self-interest for the Chinese.
For one thing, they have so much money invested in the USA that they don’t want to see its economy ruined by lunatic climate policies. They are doing us a favor, but only incidentally.
I wish our leaders had the balls to tell the climate whores to stuff it.
This is true. Even China didn't see someone as far left as zer0 being inflicted on the USA. They're probably just as upset as we are (well, almost.)
No kidding. Good for the chicoms.
Those Communists have had enough experience to realize Socialism needs a Capitalist economy to support the citizen slaves. The Idiots in the Democrat Party think Socialism failed only because THEY were not in charge. Hence Dunn’s Mao and Mother Teresa comments.
Very interesting that the Chinese apparently felt bound to follow any treaty reached at this farcical aquatic display. I fully expected China to agree to anything to get the USA to dismantle what little industry we have left, and then thumb their noses at the world and simply not comply with the treaty.
In any event, this whole thing was a non-starter for them. They never had any intent to reduce their “carbon footprints.” They know it’s all a hoax.
Obama needs to get his ass to Copenhagen and start bowing down to people before the US starts losing credibility!
Goats are pretty damn smart!
COPENHAGEN: Failure to reach agreement with China over greenhouse gas emissions transparency could be a dealbreaker for the United States at UN climate talks, secretary of state Hillary Clinton said on Thursday.
"It would be hard to imagine, speaking for the United States, that there could be the legal or financial commitment that I've just announced in the absence of transparency from the second biggest emitter, and now the I guess the first biggest," Clinton told a news conference after announcing the US would join in $100 billion a year financing to help poor nations tackle climate change.
"There has to be a willingness to move toward transparency in whatever forum we finally determine is appropriate. So if there is not even a commitment to pursue transparency that's kind of a dealbreak for us."
China has overtaken the United States as the world's top emitter. It has rejected calls to allow international checks of its emissions under new targets.
I’m thanking G-d for Russians and Chinese?
Man what a topsy-turvy world 0bummerVille is.
Don’t worry, Obama will save the day like he did with the IOC agreement for Chicago. Oh wait...